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Anti-Globalization Rioters Head To NYC  
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Ughh,

I'm sure they will have the whole world on their side when they start another riot in NYC...

Hopefully the NYPD will be able to catch, prosecute, and jail most of them.

When will they ever learn, you will never get sympathy when you are burning down someone's dreams, which are many people's restaurants and small businesses.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,44006,00.html




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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1274 times:



Hopefully I'll get more AP photos of policemen cracking those commie-libs' skulls to add to my collection. Those are my favorite.

If there is ever a meeting like that in my region (MSP, CHI, STL), I'm going to pose as a protester and go around with water bottles laced with pepper spray to pour into people's eye's to get the tear gas out! They'll have a lot of fun with that one!


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

Rioters heading to NYC? I thought the World Cup was in Korea this year???

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

"commie-libs"  Confused

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1255 times:
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User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Oh wonderful!!!! now my city willb e as liberal as Seattle!!!! I swear if anyone of these jackasses get in my way they will feel alot of pain!

I'm pretty damn good in street fights So those Starbucks drinking bleeding heart socialist liberals had better watch it! Screw with my city and it'll cost you. I do hope that some of the guys from the Emerald Society and ESU will take care of them. Too bad Rudy ain't in power. I can't stand the geek incharge right now.



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

I do not think these morons will riot like usual. Do you think the NYPD will have much patience, after all that has happened here?


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Well, since these upper-middle class protestors have time on their hands, take em to Ground Zero.....they can help clean it up.




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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1228 times:



Yep, since they are only taking 3 credit hours on their fourth useless graduate degree, they'll have plenty of time to head to NYC.



User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Anti Globalization Rioters, couldn't have described them better myself.

I'm all for opinons and even protests, but those people appear to be in it just for the destruction they can cause.



VH-ADG


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13194 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Recently in an interview in a British newspaper, one of our home grown 'anti-capitalist' organisers admitted that the terrorist attacks had shifted the limelight from this bunch.
But, he insisted, we'll be back.
He then reluctantly admitted that at a meeting on Sept. 11th in London, he announced the news of the attacks, and most of the audience cheered.
No wonder they've been keeping their heads down these past few months.


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1208 times:


Of course they cheered. What was arguably the most visual beacon of capitalism in the world fell to the ground that day. I knew right away it wasn't this crowd that was responsible. They don't have the balls to carry out an attack of that nature.

What the anti-globalists don't realize, however, is that the true beacon of capitalism lies about 4000 meteres to the southwest of the WTC.


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1197 times:

Geez, you´re nuts!!!
Hardly any anti-capitalist or anti-globalization protester had cheered when the wtc came down. If so they had sure gotten a change in the way their faces look now.
It´s a shame that a small number of people misuse our goal for their sick pleasure (rioting) but after all it is US (the liberals - not the rioters) who care for all of you out there.

I hope we will not see another riot anywhere but you guys should try to get a broader view on things.

Stratofish

P.S.: Do not mistake me, I have never been involved in a riot and I never will.



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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

I'm pretty damn good in street fights So those Starbucks drinking bleeding heart socialist liberals had better watch it!

So we have heard like 10,000 times. I knew it was only a matter of time before we heard this yet again.

Oh wait....because I dared to question you, you are now going to challenge me to a bar fight huh?

Buddy...get over yourself already will ya!!  Insane

Hopefully I'll get more AP photos of policemen cracking those commie-libs' skulls to add to my collection. Those are my favorite.

And what are you? A capitalist scumbag who would kill his own mother if it meant a bit more in the money jar your yourself?

Spray me with pepper spray, and I would rip your balls off and ram them down your fricking throat.

Like VirginA340....get over yourself already!!  Insane

You sickos are so far up yourselves I can't believe it.

"Anti-Globalisation Rioters"?

EXCUSE ME?

That should be "Anti-Globalisation Protesters".

These people have a RIGHT to protest. Unfortunately, a VERY SMALL FRINGE GROUP tends to cause the trouble. This gives the legitimate and peaceful protesters (i.e. the majority) a bad rap also.

All large protest movements will have fringe groups which look for nothing more than violence.

Just look at the anti-abortionists. Most of them protest peacefully. But then you get some who will shoot doctors in abortion clinics, or attack those clinics.

Should all anti-abortionists be branded MURDERERS? No...not at all.



User currently offlineZauberfloete From Austria, joined Nov 2000, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

I don´t know why anti capitalists are using all that violence we saw in Genua etc.
They destroy shops and cafe´s without any reason, and the beat policeman who only do their job.
I someone really is a communist, he is in the fortunate position that there are countries available where all his dreams come true.
For example he could go to north korea, there is all he wants. Comunistic Government, education, system. He should be happy there.

If someone likes to demonstrate for human rights, I would suggest to do that in Beijing or Lhasa.
That would really be great signal if someone travells from england or italy or france to Beijing, dooeing some protests there. That would show balls.
Or he could go to Theheran and demonstrate for the freedom and equalness of religion, than I would express my respect.
But going to New York City, to destroy some coffeshops and cars is a very poor revolution. It´s in fact not better than what drunk football hooligans do. (its worse, because the hooligans are filled up with beer to their excuse)
It really isn´t a big thing to demonstrate or riot in a democratic country.

The Anti-Globalization movement is a real strange movement I think.
Some years ago, before the word globalization existed, these people said that we (the western nations) should share our wealth with the underdevelloped world.
Good idea.
But what happens now is just that.
We call it "globalization". Jobs and economy is transferred to countries arround the world.
Goods for european or US economy are produced in Asia, officework for european companies is done overnight in india via the electronic "highways".
That will create wealth in those parts of the world. It has some problems, problems occur in all changes of a system. But they will get solved.

To be an anti-globalization activist means in my opinion to be greedy for that wealth that we share with poorer countries.


User currently offlineAirways1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Zauberflöte, I agree with you. But I think it might be quite hard to get residency rights in North Korea.

airways1


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Zauberfloete:
First of all anti globalization does not imply communism.
You say you do not know why some ppl are against globalization: It is very simple if you dare to take a deep look into what is called globalization. Hardly any of the poor do profit from it but instead the rich get richer and the process is undermining the elected govts. of the world.
Globalization can be a good and right thing, but not the way it is practised today.
Of course there is no excuse for rioting but the Genua example you stated is wrong. The police provoked it and was solely responsible for the escalation.
It is your right to post what you think, but please think about it at least twice before. That North Korea statement is insulting and unacceptable.

rgds
Stratofish



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Stratofish, don't you find it odd that virtually all 3rd World govts are in favour of globalization (ie, open markets)? Don't you also find it odd that no one in the 3rd World is protesting against globalization? It's only idealistic Westerners who are?

Trade is the one way to increase the wellbeing of everyone in the planet. The anti-globalization zealots (such as you) have decided that your narrow views are the correct ones, overriding the democratic will of Western and 3rd World nations alike.

Why don't you fight your battle at the ballot-box? The answer is obvious.....an anti-globalization stance will never win democratically anywhere because it is so radical and unpopular. So your only option now is protestation, disruption and civil disobediance.





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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

For example he could go to north korea, there is all he wants. Comunistic Government, education, system. He should be happy there

The DPRK is far from being communist. It is a juche society. The closest the DPRK comes to anything the outside world knows about is Stalinist. Not communist. There is a HUGE difference between communism and the other -ism's. Most people refuse to recognise the differences.

Some years ago, before the word globalization existed, these people said that we (the western nations) should share our wealth with the underdevelloped world. Good idea. But what happens now is just that.

Globalisation is a monumental bloody buggery cock-up of monumental proportions! Globalisation, as the capitalist world sees it is supposed to bring jobs and economic benefits to the Third World. A prime example of Third World is Africa. All we have seen from the "capitalists" in recent years is not bringing of economic benefits to these countries, but rather the plundering of their resources, with little to no benefit to the locals. What is the point of having a McDonalds in Gaborone, when most of the people who live there can't afford it. And globalisation is not only about the bringing of wealth to third world countries, but a better standard of living for the general population.

What would you say if I told you that 5,500 people die each day in Africa EVERY day from something which is totally preventable. I am talking about AIDS. The "first world" sits idly by whilst over 2 million Africans die each year of AIDS. This is just one example of a failure of globalisation.

The "anti-globalisation" protesters are not only bringing to the attention to the world at large of abuses by companies in the third world, but also a wide range of issues.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Aviatsiya, it's easy to use Africa as an example of globalization gone awry.

What about Taiwan and South Korea? Both countries had PCI's about the same as Nigeria 40 years ago. The US allowed liberal imports of those countries goods enalbing them to reach near-1st World status. A shining example of globalization.

Globalization works. But it won't overcome corruption as is so endemic in Africa.





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User currently offlineDeanBNE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

What a terrible group of people. How dare they bring to the limelight how, in many ways, the wealth of the west is generated by the sweat of the poor?

"I'm pretty damn good in street fights"
This is something you are proud of? Good grief



User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1152 times:



>>>And what are you? A capitalist scumbag who would
>>>kill his own mother if it meant a bit more in the
>>>money jar your yourself?
>>>
>>>Spray me with pepper spray, and I would rip your
>>>balls off and ram them down your fricking throat.


Um, yea, sounds like someone is loosing control. Anyway, people at those protests carry water bottles to wash out the tear gas, etc. that the police spray at them because of their failure to obey police orders. I never said I'd spray people with pepper spray. I'd carry around water bottles with water laced with a stinging agent agent that would make their eyes sting even more painfully! And I'm so compassionate that I'd consult a person qualified to verify that whatever it was wouldn't cause permanent damage to their eyes.  Big grin

While I'd jump at the chance to spray someone so full of themself like you with pepper spray (or even better yet, the un-natural chemical version--Mace), that's not what I had in mind.

In response to your first comment about being a capitalist scumbag and wanting more for myself, actually I want quite the opposite. I want what the anit-globalists don't want:

I want newly industrializing countries (NICs) to have the same opportunities that the developing USA, Canada, and Australia had. I want citizens of those countries to build factories, roads, and airports. I want citizens of those countries to be able to move beyond ancient agricultural practices. I want them to produce and own many of the same goods that you and I take for granted. The anti-globalists don't. Their selfish and narrow environmental agenda doesn't allow for what I wish. They want to see those populations back in the stone age while they're living it up in the west.

I just have no respect for that.

mls515


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

I was visiting friends in Washington DC during the infamous IMF meetings of 2000 and was witness to the wanton damage and destruction caused by a high number of these so-called "protestors", most of whom are spoiled brats, rich kids, and shiftless bozos who did not even know what they were doing there, let alone able to articulate a case for or against globalization. I find it ridiculous that they are acting supposedly in the interests of the third world yet they are there trying to take food out of the mouths of impoverished peoples in the name of economic autarky and other useless alternatives that have been shown time and time again to fail.

Thousands of people trying to get to work or use the metro were inconvienienced by these scumbags, almost all of whom were non-native to the area. So show up, wreck a few businesses, trash private property, and leave....and this is supposed to be a legitmate form of protest.  Insane

You may not like that Starbucks or McDonald's...but there are people inside trying to make a living and not have their lives threatened. A corporation is only people.


User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Stratofish, don't you find it odd that virtually all 3rd World govts are in favour of globalization (ie, open markets)? Don't you also find it odd that no one in the 3rd World is protesting against globalization? It's only idealistic Westerners who are?

Ummm...there have been many conferences in Africa in recent years which have been attended by heads-of-state which weren't exactly full of praise for this so-called globalisation of industry and economics.

Aviatsiya, it's easy to use Africa as an example of globalization gone awry.

Of course it is easy to use Africa as an example of globalisation being a cock-up because it is the case. Countries in Africa are still having their resources plundered by first world nations; the countries will get essential goods and services in return for future earnings from natural resources. This occurs in Gabon (oil/gas), Angola (oil), Nigeria (oil), Congo (diamonds) and a host of other African nations. But the future earnings are worked out at a much lower price than what one would say is fair market value. At that rate, these countries will never be prosperous.

Your example of Taiwan and South Korea is true...yet those countries successes are due more to political (Cold War) sentiments than the "ideals" of globalisation.

Another aspect of how we can see that globalisation is not working in the third world is to look at the very way that I am writing these words. On a continent with over 800 million people, only an estimated 1.2 million people have access to the internet; with 1 million of these being in South Africa alone. That means that only 0.025% of Africans (excluding South Africa...0.15% including South Africa) has access to information.

I am with the protesters in their "suspicions" regarding globalisation, however, I don't condone the violence which some fringe groups do partake in.


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

The DPRK is far from being communist. It is a juche society. The closest the DPRK comes to anything the outside world knows about is Stalinist. Not communist. There is a HUGE difference between communism and the other -ism's. Most people refuse to recognise the differences.

This kind of academic claptrap is really lost on those of us who live in the real world.  Insane

And what would those differences be? They all stifle freedom, kill their own people, and promote megalomaniac fantasies that end up with the death of more of their own people, right? What am I missing here. Enlighten me about your heros like Stalin.


25 Hoffa : Aviatsiya: Your only solution is to take bread out of the mouths of the poor by starving these countries of foreign investment. People like you do not
26 Post contains links Aviatsiya : People want alternatives? OK....here's an alternative which the anti-globalisation lobby, and the third world countries themselves are BEGGING for. Ho
27 PHX-LJU : Everyone here should read Thomas Friedman's excellent "The Lexus and the Olive Tree: Understanding Globalization." It's an well-thought-out, intellige
28 Post contains images PHX-LJU : The North Korean Juche principle, Aviatsiya??? A system that has caused millions of people to starve, and imprisoned (both mentally and physically) mi
29 PHX-LJU : Whoops, sorry, Aviatsiya! I thought that you were advocating the Juche Principle there. When I reread your message, I noticed my mistake. Of course, I
30 Aloha 737-200 : Damn commies
31 Aviatsiya : PHX-LJU I never said the Juche Idea (also known as Kim il-Sungism) as it is practiced is good for North koreans, but if you understand the background
32 Hoffa : People want alternatives? OK....here's an alternative which the anti-globalisation lobby, and the third world countries themselves are BEGGING for. Oh
33 Hoffa : Well if this is the kind of debate we are going to have with the anti-globalization crowd, then I can see we are going nowhere. To these fanatics, eit
34 Yyz717 : Well said Hoffa, you know...every Western nation has Communist parties.....and yet none have ever been democratically elected (except Allende in Chile
35 Post contains links PanAm747 : You could see here how western society turns its back on the 3rd world: http://www.msnbc.com/news/694130.asp
36 Mls515 : Oh, but Microsoft is going to turn those people into tools of big evil corporate America!!! They should stick to subsistance farming so they can be f
37 Aviatsiya : Oh God....your alternative to the current system is to remake the world in Kim-Il-Sung's image?! Should we all starve to death like the people of Nort
38 Yyz717 : Relieving 3rd world debt would throw the Western world recession and inflation. The 3rd world borrowed money and they should pay it back. No one force
39 Mls515 : OK, this is great, my post spawned an email response from the user that was called "Bombstar" on this forum until he was deleted. It went: --- Eric Hu
40 Mls515 : VirginA340- Hey, I can fly out to NYC this weekend from Iowa for $166 on Hotwire. If you could hook me up with a place to stay, I'd love to come out
41 PanAm747 : mls515- >>But no one considers the thousands of 5 year olds working out in the fields.
42 Post contains images Stratofish : "Stratofish, don't you find it odd that virtually all 3rd World govts are in favour of globalization (ie, open markets)?" Very true, the govts. are in
43 Mls515 : I'll scan in my diploma when I recieve it for ya. Just because someone's educated doesn't mean they have to think like you. My core distaste for the
44 Hoffa : Correction, MIS...they purport to "hate" the Western way of life yet enjoy a comfortable, identifiably capitalist living (probably on Daddy's dime) in
45 Post contains images Stratofish : You don´t call yours an in-depth analysis then, right... ". People like you never get it: efforts to "allocate the resources equally" always end up i
46 Hoffa : Interesting theory, although not entirely accurate... oh wait, for you trying to allocate resources equally is communism, right? Surely an economics s
47 Post contains images Mls515 : lol
48 Stratofish : "...for followers of Kim Il -Sung like you and..." me? you sure didn´t read my posts carefully...
49 Post contains images Aviatsiya : Virginforlife OH LOOK...I AM SHITTING MY PANTS!! Surprise, fricking, surprise. I have just been challenged to another bar fight with the bar fight kin
50 Post contains links Lautir : http://www.kcna.co.jp/ I neither support or condemn the theories of Juche. It´s interesting to read.
51 Mls515 : Damn right I started it. I'm educated in Politics and Geography, and I still stand by this statement: My core distaste for the anti-globalists is tha
52 Mls515 : The person who is the deleted user bombstar thanked me for posting his views on the forum. He sent me this reply also: Free trade agreements open thi
53 VirginA340 : Bitchylions; So hows your sex life going? Still having roccuring nightmares about your drive? As far as me being a virgin goes. I've done a bit here a
54 Hoffa : Wow I guess people didn't really learn anything from Stalin, Lenin, or any of the other butchers that tainted the 20th century with the blood of untol
55 Hoffa : Some quotable "Juche" quotes: ----------------------- "...the Workers' Party is guided only by Kim Il-sung's Juche Ideology and revolutionary thoughts
56 Post contains images RayChuang : Looks like I have to throw in my two US cents of comment! First of all, these protesters have probably done more to hurt themselves because they will
57 Post contains images Aviatsiya : I don't know whether to laugh or cry that people like Aviatisiya want to destroy all our human progress so we can live in the 13th century (Kim Il Sun
58 VirginA340 : Careful or I'll beam you back to kangaroo land if you do have the balls to come up here with your liberal protest friends.
59 Post contains images Aviatsiya : I got the balls.....but I doubt they would fit in your mouth.....but thanks for the offer of a date anyway
60 VirginA340 : Bitchy; Is that all you got!?! i've seen better comebacks from rookies!
61 Hoffa : Well I guess the readership of the Guardian thinks banks all over the world should dole out interest free cash to all and sundry simply because its th
62 Post contains images VonRichtofen : I just can't wait for these scumbags to pour through Calgary when the G8 summit is in Kananaskis this summmer Some of you Anti-Globalization advocates
63 Jiml1126 : These boring and coward people are striking again. Don't they have other thing to do? The reason why I said they're bunch of coward because during the
64 Ryanb741 : I have always remarked upon my travels - how is it that tree-hugging hippies always leave more litter than anybody else?
65 Mcdougald : VonRichtofen wrote: "do you think half the protesters even know what it's about?" A self-explanatory bit from the National Post from last April, still
66 DeanBNE : Seems like the majority of people here are fiercely protective of the quality of life they have and see Anti-Globalisation as a threat to the wealth t
67 Hoffa : Seems like the majority of people here are fiercely protective of the quality of life they have and see Anti-Globalisation as a threat to the wealth t
68 Mx5_boy : Guys, Such vitriol! There are many scary examples of where globalisation is NOT benificial to a global environment. It is predicted that with all the
69 Stratofish : Very good Mx5_boy. "Anti-globalistion is a threat to private property and the rule of law..." You know fresh air is good for you, too much of pure oxy
70 Mx5_boy : Stratofish, Ummm, I don't know whether you are being sarcastic about my post, but the statement in inverted commas was not made by me. Cheers, mb A ne
71 Post contains images Hoffa : It is predicted that with all the mega takeovers of banks and finance institutions of smaller countries these 3rd world or even small countries such a
72 Mx5_boy : Hoffa, Your problem is that you will not listen to two sides of an argument. Which is plainly evident in your auspicious rantings. There are many resp
73 Hoffa : Two sides of an argument? All I see is the same chaff about hunger, misery, oppression---all of which predated modern capitalism and the globalization
74 Mx5_boy : Hoffa, Perhaps I should have explained better where you are not listening. Forget the minority of 'rent a crowd' morons who do the damage and spoil it
75 Hoffa : I think we can both agree McDonald's is disgusting regardless of your political orientation!
76 Post contains images N400QX : >Oh wonderful!!!! now my city willb e as liberal as Seattle!!!! Well, not quite... the rioters from the Seattle WTO thing were actually (lots of em) f
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