MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1354 times:
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
This isn't the first time, the same guy was caught last year at Lambeau doing the same thing.
Remember this is the team that used a convict on a snowplow to win a playoff game.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
Maybe the Jets should use a more complicated signal system. If it can be cracked over the course of one game, it might not be the most fool proof of systems.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3597 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Video taping public actions happening between team and management in full view of thousands of spectators - calling it spying is certainly an over reaction.
I would call it valid tactics, and the rules against it are, quite frankly, ludicrous.
HuskyAviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1290 times:
Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 1): Remember this is the team that used a convict on a snowplow to win a playoff game.
LOL very good point.
The "Snowplow Caper" was the last game of the strike-shortened 1982 season and it enabled the Patriots to beat the Dolphins 3-0 and get into that year's special Super Bowl Tournament. The next week, the Dolphins defeated the Patriots in the first round of the playoffs--in Miami.
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1213 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 3): Video taping public actions happening between team and management in full view of thousands of spectators - calling it spying is certainly an over reaction.
I would call it valid tactics, and the rules against it are, quite frankly, ludicrous.
NFL Rules prohibit videotaping from the sidelines or from the coaches booths the signals of other teams for the purpose of learning the signals. They should lose the proposed draft picks and be banned from the playoffs regardless their record at the end of the season. If they got caught twice, you can be damn sure it isn't the 3rd or 4th times it's happened.
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1205 times:
Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7): Let's do this for all the teams that have had a player found to be using steriods or HGH too. There, you got the Pats twice!
I can't condone any form of cheating, but do you suppose other teams may have done this?
All I was getting at is that this sort of thing happens all the time in baseball, and no doubt in every sport where it is possible. As you said in the Ellis Hobbs thread:
So whether other teams have been caught (and I don't know if they have) stealing signs, if they have, they are cheats. If a team has a player suspended for substance violations, they are, by association, on a team that is cheating. If a cheat is a cheat, then every team should be banned from the playoffs. I was NOT trying to justify cheating, I was simply notying that if every team that cheats were banned from the playoffs for cheating, well, you get the rest.
Next time, try to get me to clarify before you jump to an inflammatory conclusion that is inaccurate. That's all I ask.
LogansGirl From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1193 times:
Justifying cheating and reminding people that other forms of it have been gotten away with are two different things. Trust me, I'm an Auburn fan from a Crimson Tide area!!! I've heard it all before.
Duff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1180 times:
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 6): NFL Rules prohibit videotaping from the sidelines or from the coaches booths the signals of other teams for the purpose of learning the signals.
What if you buy him a ticket and put him in the stands?
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 6): They should lose the proposed draft picks
Which they might... they have like 8 picks in the first four rounds anyway...
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 6): and be banned from the playoffs regardless their record at the end of the season.
There is no offense a team could commit that would result in that penalty. None.
And that sounds like the rant of a fan whose team the Patriots destroy on a pretty consistent basis...
Sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 24 Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1177 times:
Looks like New England is gonna lose some valuable draft picks because of this. Belichek just looks sinister.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12337 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1171 times:
This is all part of the game and once in a while someone will get caught. I do think the NFL has is priorities screwed up when they go after someone 'stealing signs' cheating, but they won't go after far more important issues like head injuries to players, players using illegal drugs, players getting into off-the-field criminal beheavors, and so on.
Quoting LogansGirl (Reply 10): Justifying cheating and reminding people that other forms of it have been gotten away with are two different things.
Uh oh....damn short honeymoon! Do yourself a favor John, and just agree with her. BTW this might be the perfect time to start practicing your Yes Dear!
RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1156 times:
Quoting LogansGirl (Reply 10): Justifying cheating and reminding people that other forms of it have been gotten away with are two different things. Trust me, I'm an Auburn fan from a Crimson Tide area!!! I've heard it all before.
Fllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1135 times:
LogansGirl From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1127 times:
I'm thinking a lot of teams have been doin' this for years...
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14): Uh oh....damn short honeymoon! Do yourself a favor John, and just agree with her. BTW this might be the perfect time to start practicing your Yes Dear!
BTW... "Yes, Dear," is never a bad idea, however, he's right. I am defending his position, as well as his point.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1124 times:
I wouldn't put it past the coach...can't speak for the rest of the team. BTW, speaking of Bill Bellicik ,did you notice the classless move at the end of the Super Bowl last year when Manning went up to him and he just brushed Manning off? He barely made eye contact with him. It was painfully obvious right there on TV. That's when my respect for that guy went down the tubes big time.
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 20): BTW, speaking of Bill Bellicik ,did you notice the classless move at the end of the Super Bowl last year when Manning went up to him and he just brushed Manning off? He barely made eye contact with him. It was painfully obvious right there on TV. That's when my respect for that guy went down the tubes big time.
Last I checked, Bellichick wasn't at the Super Bowl.
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 21): He lost mine as the coach of the Browns.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1109 times:
Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 22): Last I checked, Bellichick wasn't at the Super Bowl
It's cool. Belichick is very much a coach's guy. He may be an ass, I don't recognize that, because he wins games for us. Enjoy your victory. There's plenty to hate in the NFL. IMO, Belichick is not one of them.
25 MSYtristar: I'm not one to take any win for granted, trust me. I'm more of a Peyton Manning fan than a Colts fan, so I'm glad he got that ring. I grew up watchin
26 LogansGirl: It's okay, Baby... Just make sure the ropes are secure.
27 CastleIsland: You do know that 80% of A.net is now snappin' their carrot.
29 MSYtristar: And 80% out of that 80% are actually thinking you're talking about the vegetable.
30 BoeingFever777: Goodell determines Pats broke rules by taping Jets' signals BUSTED! Hope Goodell hands them their ass to make a point to the rest of the league!
31 MSYtristar: Well, it looks like this could very well be proven correct. The sad thing is that they were good enough where they didn't need to cheat, really. Who k
32 AsstChiefMark: It's as stupid as a bunch of burglars videotaping their break-ins. Then they wonder why the cops took their camera and used the taped evidence against
33 Allstarflyer: Didn't know it was the same guy. Gotta catch 'em first. Looks like the geniuses from the Super Bowl era are roughing it now - Crennel's Browns stink,
34 NIKV69: Draft pics will hurt a little but it's a pretty lame punishment considering.
35 MSYtristar: What about a one year ban from the playoffs and a 3rd and 5th round draft pick?
36 Tom in NO: They may be ludicrous, but they are the rules, and idiot Belichick would be well-advised to start following them.....but against the Jets??? Cmon, Bi
38 MSYtristar: I know, right? Did he really think his team couldn't beat the JETS without cheating? That's pretty sad.
39 KBOS: It was a regular season game, my Dad has had season tickets since they played at Fenway Park. 1982 season: Week 6 Sun Dec 12 1982 at NE New England 3
40 Sprout5199: In 1982, during a game between Miami and cheating new england, A real bad blizzard, no one could move the ball. Both teams tried to kick fieldgoals b
41 CastleIsland: In December of 1982, the Pats were playing the Dolphins at (then) Shaefer Stadium in Foxborough. The day before it had rained, and everything froze u
42 KBOS: To be honest with you it was less than 4 inches of snow and nothing even close to a blizzard more like light snow and flurries. I should know since I
43 Sprout5199: Miami did try another kick later in the game, and no they didn't send the guy out. My dad and I were just screaming at the tv. Dan in Jupiter
44 Sprout5199: Born and raised here in South Florida, any snow is a blizzard to me. Dan in Jupiter
45 KBOS: Here's an article from July with some info on the subject... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...anks/07/06/cheating.nfl/index.html
46 KBOS: LOL!!! My father used to go to the game in Miami every single year. I always laughed at him for wasting his money since we both know how every trip t
47 HuskyAviation: According to Chris Mortensen, the Pats are not the only team to do this stuff, but not all teams do it. Goodell should come down pretty hard on this s
48 KBOS: I think there might be more to this story than we already know. Bill Belichick is a pretty smart guy, I have a feeling he is up to something here. Her
49 CastleIsland: Interesting post, KBOS. Well, he's been charged, so I'm not going to try to spin this too much just yet, but it does beg the question as to why Belic
50 LTBEWR: Looks like some penalties being thrown down: $500,000 fine on Belichik, $250,000 fine on the Patrioits team and a loss of a draft pick conditioned on
51 CastleIsland: I'm rather disappointed in my Pats. I was hoping for some reason why Belichick was so blatant about this. Well, until the officila word is made, I'll
52 Fllcontinental: And, what makes the jets crappy? We make the playoffs quite often and beat your "immortal" patriots last year.
53 DL021: I want to know how many teams are deliberately taping the other teams signal callers in order to decode the other sides' gameplans and signals. I do t
54 HuskyAviation: I don't think you have much to worry about on that front; Goodell has shown repeatedly during his short tenure that he's not to be fucked around with
55 N229NW: And now everyone is piling on--with other rumors coming out, more like hearsay, about the Pats messing with the audio equipment the opposing teams wer
56 HuskyAviation: There have been a lot of articles written by career NFL beat writers that have mentioned those very things in the past few days. It of course can't b
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and just agree with her. BTW this might be the perfect time to start practicing your Yes Dear! 
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