Herbman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 858 times:
The US Government have mentined to tormenting Afghanistan terrorists for dependable informations about Alcaida. Is it a progressive way to save lives or is it like the cold war was? Were people get hurd or maby murdered.
The US statement said that they do not want to kill somebody but they want to treat the terrorists with all kinds of painfull things they can to receive the truth and bring them to justes. But it can safe lives. What is your opinion?
Enjoy yourself to write some notes.
Regards
Sebastian
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 791 times:
First of all, the statements by the author on here, well, I've never seen that mentioned in any media, so I think the lunatic fringe is out in full force again.
I think ABC should run it across from Survivor, or something-it'll be a ratings smash!! (wink)
Herbman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 785 times:
yea, that means you have no informations about this circumstances? I saw it on TV. It was SPIEGEL TV the printed magazine selfe is a very quality political magazin. The best in whole Europe. You can trust them.
Regards
Sebastian
BWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 753 times:
KRP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 739 times:
"Justice for all" Ring a bell??
"Innocent untill proven guilty" when was that principle cancelled
"Geneva convention" Replaced by "Cuban Convention"???
Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 715 times:
I'm with KROC.. Where do I sign up?
Chris
Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
Hoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 715 times:
The original post by Herbman (son lay off the dope for a minute) contained nothing factual except the usual fears of the weak-kneed Communist left that the USA will actually look out for its own interests.
We had ample opportunity to torture these scum at Kandahar airport when no one was looking. Why would we do it now when the eyes of the world are on Cuba? Really people....
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 701 times:
KR(A)P is back on the liberal crack. I guess after my posts thats where he spews more of his anti US comments. I think he, Brissie, ADG, Goodbye and Lephron have a connection with Berkly, CA.
American_4275 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1076 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 687 times:
Unlikely that the U.S. would take part in any form of "torturing", isn't it?
I wouldn't have a problem with them getting their asses kicked.
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 684 times:
Guys,
Given that this is not a 'normal' war in the sense that it is a war on Terrorism, normal POW conventions do not apply.
The USA may in my opinion may use 'whatever' means available to extract information from these bloodthirsty criminals. Obviously you would start with humane ways obviously.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 680 times:
as a historian i have to conclude that terrorists are not prisoners of war and that the geneva convention was et up to stop toruture during future global miltitary conflicts and in the first world war was seen to have been kept to to a major extent.
however, terrorists are not the same as government troops, therefore all terrorists do not have the same right, nor should they since anyone wishing to murder civilians loses their humans rights in my opinion.
the sentch of bin-laden sympthay is jumping in abound on airliners some times, i hope this thread doesnt repeat that pattern.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 679 times:
Although I sympathize with U.S. efforts to bring terrorists to justice and in the process prevent future acts from happening, we must still never forget the rule of law. There's an appropriate and an inappropriate way to do everything. Preventing terrorism by disregarding law and procedure makes you just as bad as the terrorists themselves. We are a civilized society, and therefore should never allow ourselves to stoop to the level of terrorists in our pursuit of justice.
For all practical purposes (and putting theories of definition aside), we DID start a war with the ruling government of Afghanistan, whether they be democratic or not, and we DID capture troops loyal to this same government, whether they be terrorists or simple young men fighting unwilingly in a battle they did not believe in. Let us not forget that many hundreds of Taliban fighters willingly surrended and switched sides as soon as their commanders were captured by the Northern Alliance, so it cannot be said with any certainty that these men in Cuba are all hard core criminals, intent of murdering civilians. For all we know, they just got captured by the wrong army (the Americans) who did not give a hoot as to whether they wanted to readily switch sides.
There are procedures put in place which provide for a tribunal to determine the true nature of captured soldiers. To this end, the U.S. government cannot and should not be considered an impartial jury, and therefore should not be allowed to determine the nature of these soldiers on its own merit.
Do remember, gentle men and women, that whatever we do to these prisoners will be used to justify whatever treatment is meted out by hostile nations to our captured soldiers in the future.
25 Alpha 1: Do remember, gentle men and women, that whatever we do to these prisoners will be used to justify whatever treatment is meted out by hostile nations t
26 Hoffa: Do remember, gentle men and women, that whatever we do to these prisoners will be used to justify whatever treatment is meted out by hostile nations t
27 Lehpron: (Lehpron sighs) Somebody explain to me how these guys are terrorists at all because from what I understand they 1) were captured Taliban and/or al-Kei
28 Mrman_3k: I do not care, just remember that I like my popcorn with extra butter (it is an American thing) and a king size Kit Kat!
29 Alpha 1: Lehpron sighs) Somebody explain to me how these guys are terrorists at all because from what I understand they 1) were captured Taliban and/or al-Keid
30 Goodbye: They train to maim, kill and intimidate people. Isn't that what armies do?
31 Alpha 1: Armies wage war in the open, Goodbye. They don't slunk and skulk around caves, or fly airplanes into civilian buildings. As usual, your naivete is sho
32 Hoffa: Isn't that what armies do? No, armies maintain a high standard of professionalism and engage enemy threats in defense of their homeland. The mercenary
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