XJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10151 times:
Ok this is a serious question and maybe a concern or not for some. A recent flight I was on with my wife was a little strange. I'm use to FA's bumping me while going up and down the isles, no biggie. This was a female FA who kept rubbing her rear up against me every time she came by. My wife was laughing at first, because she said the lady was flirting. I ignored and thought nothing of it. Then she came with my drink and gave me a full view of her upstairs area. My wife was starting to get a little annoyed.
As the flight went on she rubbed harder against me. That's when my wife asked her to be careful where she was rubbing and explained to her that we were married. The FA just smiled and said that's nice! The rest of the flight she kept doing it. My wife did contact someone at the airline, but everyone was treating it like we are nuts. Have any of you ever had this happen before? FA's, is this common? Is there any rules about this?
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38596 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10049 times:
Quoting XJETFlyer (Thread starter): My wife did contact someone at the airline, but everyone was treating it like we are nuts.
Yep, you're being nuts. The flight is over with.
This is nothing to complain about.
This has happend to me a couple of times. Made good friends in ORD, DEN, IAD and here in SFO. I won't say what airline though.
Too bad youy don't have pictures to share.
You could have posted a really cool trip report.
Quoting XJETFlyer (Thread starter): That's when my wife asked her to be careful where she was rubbing and explained to her that we were married. The FA just smiled and said that's nice!
That was a good comeback on her part. Yes she should have stopped after that.
Chase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9927 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 2): ORD, DEN, IAD and here in SFO. I won't say what airline though.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 49 Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9874 times:
Maybe I’m just a cynic, but in my mind it is sexual harassment. I will bet my bottom dollar that were you the one who did the rubbing, you would be met by police once the plane docked at the gate. Most probably you would also have a sexual harassment suit or other charges filed against you.
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Aogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 933 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9712 times:
Ok Mr XJetflyer:
I think its time to end this game. I happen to know that you're in sales and marketing for the airline in question and that you're just trying to appeal to the coveted male business traveler.
And its working!!!! Shrewd!!!!!
This is in jest of course, this a very serious matter to be dealt with.......(evil grin)
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9690 times:
Gives a whole new meaning to the term in-flight service.......
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9609 times:
Quoting XJETFlyer (Thread starter): Ok this is a serious question and maybe a concern or not for some. A recent flight I was on with my wife was a little strange. I'm use to FA's bumping me while going up and down the isles, no biggie. This was a female FA who kept rubbing her rear up against me every time she came by. My wife was laughing at first, because she said the lady was flirting. I ignored and thought nothing of it. Then she came with my drink and gave me a full view of her upstairs area. My wife was starting to get a little annoyed.
As the flight went on she rubbed harder against me. That's when my wife asked her to be careful where she was rubbing and explained to her that we were married. The FA just smiled and said that's nice! The rest of the flight she kept doing it.
Maybe I missed something, WHAT is the area of concern? A female flight attendant was making sexual advances towards you. Apparently, this indicates that you are an attractive chap she took a liking to. Despite your (weak) objections, she kept going at it and found no intimidation from your wife whatsoever. She pursued you sexually and, I guess, this is a matter of concern to you. I just can't seem to understand why it was so.
Men and women pursuing each other for the purpose of sexual/intimate exchange is the way of the world. Unfortunately, in today's society, some individuals cannot differentiate between flirting and abuse, and some cannot control themselves and take things over the edge. Thus, we now have something called "sexual harassment," which some people take advantage of for financial gain. Apparently, you seem to fall under this category. Personally, I would have played along, carefully and respectfully, and then deplaned and forgotten about it. And yes, I am married and my wife would probably not like it, but I would never subject her to the ridicule of presenting a complaint about it with the airline, and being made to look like you are nuts.
This is just my male pig opinion, oink.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9546 times:
There was an article about a Spirit F/a that Had bent over across the aisle to serve a drink and had passed gas
very ear the gentlemans head,. Instead of going about her way she whipped around to him and made a comment about those tacos from last night... I found it kinda crude
XJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9528 times:
It may be silly to you, but what if it was a MALE FA? Rubbing his rear and front on you? If I was a single guy with no ring on I could understand her coming on to me. Sexual harassment? Maybe. I just think she went a step to far. One of our female friends asked how I would have handled it if I was flying alone. I'd like to say the same way. This was more than flirting in my opinion. Brushing a few times to let you know the booty is available is one thing, but rubbing harder and harder after being confronted by my wife is a whole new area!
XJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9473 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12): If it was such a serious problem for you, why didn't you switch seats with your wife?
I'm 6'6 and coach is not nice to my legs. I need to be on the isle in coach.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38596 posts, RR: 79 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9451 times:
Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 14): the booty is available is one thing, but rubbing harder and harder after being confronted by my wife is a whole new area!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21043 posts, RR: 60 Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9402 times:
Was she scooting across the carpet any time? This would confirm it...
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 6): Maybe I’m just a cynic, but in my mind it is sexual harassment
No, it's not. It's a form of sexual assault. It's not sexual harassment, at least in the traditional sense, because the F/A is not in a position to force you to do anything you don't want to do via leverage. She can't have you fired or even arrested (as it is her word against 2 other people, not one).
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 10): Yes, it happens on a daily basis to millions of people throughout the world, not just FAs.
And it's illegal in many places. For example, if you do that in the NYC subway, it is a crime and you can be arrested. Same for elevators. Don't see how a plane is much different...
But next time, maybe I should fly with this guy and play goalie. I think I can handle the "assault"...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9327 times:
Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 14): It may be silly to you, but what if it was a MALE FA? Rubbing his rear and front on you?
Well, that is not the issue you presented, this was a heterosexual encounter, the more common variety. I am as straight as they come, but not scared by gay or bisexual people. Typically, however, gay men don't approach random men for this purpose, most likely for fear they could receive violence in return. But your question is totally pointless, you freaked out about an advance made to you by a woman.
Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 14): If I was a single guy with no ring on I could understand her coming on to me
I have been married 15 years, and have found that more women seem to be interested in me BECAUSE I'm married, funny enough. Some consider us married men "safer" than single men.
Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 14): One of our female friends asked how I would have handled it if I was flying alone. I'd like to say the same way
Yeah, you "would like to say" but, in reality, you would have probably pursued her. It's the nature of the beast, just accept it.
I really don't want to give you a hard time about this, but I feel you set yourself up with this thread. A woman came on to you, you are a cute guy, the globe will continue spinning on its axis. Next time (and it will happen again), be ready. Go use the toilet and let her know what your interest or lack thereof is, and don't get all flustered.
There are dozens of guys reading this that are, ahem, jealous of you.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18): And it's illegal in many places. For example, if you do that in the NYC subway, it is a crime and you can be arrested. Same for elevators.
What if it's just an accident? not the case with XJETFlyer however
It's a good thing they weren't flying in New York airspace.
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9286 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18): And it's illegal in many places. For example, if you do that in the NYC subway, it is a crime and you can be arrested. Same for elevators. Don't see how a plane is much different...
No, you are mistaken. Attraction between the opposite sexes is not illegal anywhere. If you had quoted the other parts of my statement, you would have realized that I pointed out how some people take it to an extreme, and THAT is illegal. But being attracted to someone and expressing it is not illegal.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18): But next time, maybe I should fly with this guy and play goalie. I think I can handle the "assault"...
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2930 posts, RR: 20 Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9243 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18): No, it's not. It's a form of sexual assault. It's not sexual harassment,
Michael, I concede with all due respect. However, there is a fine line
Sexual harassment usually involves unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature. Sexual harassment can involve physical contact. However, it also refers to verbal or other forms of gender discrimination of a sexual nature.
Sexual assault refers specifically to rape, forcible sodomy, indecent assault, or carnal knowledge, or attempts to commit these acts.
Rgds
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LAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9221 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5): Why doesn't that stuff happen to me?????
Why? Why? Please almightly one make sure next time that this happens to me. I sure as hell wouldnt mind it, oh BTW, was the FA hot? If this was a 65 yr old UA FA then I would fight it disgusting, but if it was one of young FA's dont really mind.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 20): Being tall helps.
Women like tall men.
why not me, I'm 6'5 damn it, I guess its because I'm just out of High School
Ofcourse I understand why Xjet finds it abhorrent behavior, I mean if I was married and my wife was right next to me this situation would be embarassing and unwanted, but most of us who are arguing the opposite are probably single and thus would welcome such behavior, and I would be a part of that group.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
Kstatepilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9182 times:
Was the lady "large"? I have been on several flights where the attendants were to large to fit through the aisles. They were bumping into everyone. Makes me kindof wonder how well they could do in an emergency!
25 Superfly: I would hate it if this flight attendant lost her job but at the same time if it were a straight male doing this to a female customer and she complain
26 Pilotaydin: oh man you guys kill me.....it's awesome that this kinda stuff happens as long as u didnt do anything with her, i think it's cool, if u let every lil
27 RussianJet: Agree, but in front of your wife man? The only person likely to get into trouble for that is you, even if you didn't take any part in it!!
28 LAXspotter: the reason why he was so embarrased.
29 RussianJet: No $@%t, Sherlock. It was a joke, like the post it referred to.
30 LAXspotter: hhahahah, sorry, but the question is how would he feel if his wife wasnt around and this FA happened to be HOT?
31 Shuggie: Can't... breathe...... too much.... laughing.... need................. air...
35 LAXspotter: I think most of us would agree, that if men are approached by beautiful woman who makes sexual advances to them, unless that man is religously conser
36 IcLCY: No she was doing it against to save her knee's. I agree why not just ask here to be more careful where she puts here arse?. Simple solution to a non
37 FAEDC3: In order to continue the discussion we need more facts. Can you give us a description of the woman in question? In my head the only explanation I coul
38 Georgebush: Yes. Please. What airline was this on? Where were you flying to? Lets keep it a bit aviation oriented...
39 FAEDC3: I am guessing it isn´t AA, then the 65+ age theory will be mostly confirmed... I might also complain then
40 Marcus: Yes......I think that we need an answer to that question. I know somw FA's from Volaris and Asiana that I wouldn't mind if they rubbed against me.[Ed
41 MCOflyer: I know how you feel. Had I been in your shoes, I would have A) Politely asked the head f/a to ask her to stop it and notify the Captain B) Written a l
42 LAXspotter: Hunter, I gotta disagree with you, youre in the same age category as me, and youre probably around 19/20, and I highly doubt you would mind being rub
43 Pacifica: Key words from MCOflyer..."Had I been in your shoes" It's true...you, me, MCOflyer...I'm sure none of us would mind if an attractive flight attendant
44 NoUFO: Yes, happened to me at least twice. Some people won't believe it, but at least one was a Lufthansa flight and the F/A was pretty. Really. But it happe
45 PlanenutzTB: I can't believe you or your wife would complain about this or you even post this subject here on a public forum. First you as a man should be flattere
46 Jetdeltamsy: For a reason. Go home. Fly a different airline next time.
47 PlanenutzTB: Good point. Also there is body language between a happily married couple which tells others to stay away. Obviously there was no positive body langua
48 CygnusChicago: Not sure what the situation in SA is, but in the US sexual harrassment is generally a one way street - anecdotally men harrass women, not the other w
49 Stickers: You guys are hilarious! Good one I once had a male flight attendant come and reposition my blanket while i was sleeping, and "tuck me in" a little to
50 DashTrash: Stop complaining. Relax and enjoy the flight......
51 PlanenutzTB: Hey, I have had a large number of adult beverages comp'd to me by male FA's. I don't go that way, but I will take the free drink.
52 Bok269: LH? http://airliners.net/discussions/gen...2730&s=Fun+airline+acronyms#menu26 See replies 3, 21, 34
54 Andaman: It happened to me on a Nordic charter carrier once: a nice looking female f/a was flirting, and came REALLY close when serving me, bringing her upper
55 86J: I would have to agree. The good ol U.S. and A. Sure are a lot of people that are so excited to get offended by something. I wasn't there, but it soun
56 DavidByrne: (For once) I'm with Ikramerica - this is a form of sexual assault. Maybe not so serious, but sexual assault nevertheless, and compounded by the fact t
57 LV: Why didn't you and your wife swap seats? That way she would have to rub against your wife. Yeah, I know, it's not fair that you have to change seats..
58 Insiderinfo: Lucky bastard...book another flight on the same route quick....but without your wife..!
59 EK413: Please get a life... Mind if I join you EK413
60 Iwok: This is defintitely sexual harrasment because she did it in front of your wife which meant you could do nothing!!! You'll need up tell us more about
62 Access-Air: Why is his question pointless? Are you all in here a bunch of horny-assed freaks? Maybe this gentleman has morals, something at times that seems to b
63 Indy: Wow. Looks like it is time for another mileage run. lol. I had a very attractive NW FA sit next to me one night coming back to IND from MSP. It was a
64 707lvr: Can an entire forum be had? Yes, it can!
65 FLY2LIM: I came back to the forum about 7 hours later and, boy, this thread really deteriorated, ha ha ha ha. I'm definitely LMAO here. OMG, I also almost lost
66 WesternA318: *bellies up to the trough for feeding*
67 Tu154: Oh please! Just be glad someone finds you attractive enough to flirt with you! You should be flattered and so should your wife. You're young now so en
68 Warszawa: You guys who say sexual harrassment, dont fly the airline ever again, etc....WHAT!?!?! is wrong with you!?!?! I dont buy your comments at all unless y
69 QF108: Your not Ralph Feines are you ? Wasn't QF again was it ?[Edited 2007-09-15 07:16:44]
70 BA: It looks like I need to start picking aisle seats instead of window seats.
71 86J: Of all of problems in the world, why is there some man complaining about a woman sticking her backside in his face? Perhaps this person has had it too
72 SJC4Me: Am I the only one who would have invited her to the rear lavatory for some IFE?
73 3201: Is that a scientific, medical term or something? You mean the top of her head? Even survivorman can say "boobie breast." I do agree, total double-sta
74 F9Animal: Skybus? LOL! ROFL!!!!! Were you non rev? Maybe she was looking for a promotion. ROFL! LOL!
75 Zvezda: Huh??? On the thousand or so airliners I've flown, the aisle seats have the same pitch as the middle and window seats. If you need more legroom, get
76 AirPacific747: Some brazillian woman did something like this to me back in early august, but she was a passenger like me sitting next to me. She started looking at m
77 Teme82: Ditto that! I bet good money that all A.net members would be FF's for that airline.
78 Ncelhr: At 6ft6, I guess that you didn't quite "fit" in a coach class seat. I'm 6ft2 & my legs barely fit, usually touching the seat in front of me. Have you
79 IAirAllie: I also want to know why you didn't just switch seats with your wife if this was such a problem?
80 777236ER: Sexual harassment verging on sexual assault. Phone the police.
81 Toni_: Haha I don't post that much here. I'm making an exception for this one! What a good laugh.
82 Philzh: My thoughts exactly... I may have to re-think my preference for window seats, or start to fly F or SQ's new Raffles Class. I can only hope this was m
84 Scbriml: If this happened to me while travelling with my wife, she would see the funny side of it and tell me that the FA must be short-sighted.
85 MD11Engineer: Well, occasionally I get a hug and a kiss on the cheek by a female F/A (hope my girlfriend doesn't read this! , but these are colleagues, whom I
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