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User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2237 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

It's over for Barack Hussein Obama. Jesse don't like the way he acts.

http://www.thestate.com/local/v-print/story/177514.html

Is the black vote gone for Obama?


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

This whole post pretty much shows how much you've been paying attention to this race in general.

And using "Hussein" shows even more.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Jackson sharply criticized presidential hopeful and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for "acting like he's white" in what Jackson said has been a tepid response to six black juveniles' arrest on attempted-murder charges in Jena, La. Jackson, who also lives in Illinois, endorsed Obama in March, according to The Associated Press.

If the comment "acting like he's white" is not a raciest comment I don't know what is.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
If the comment "acting like he's white" is not a raciest comment I don't know what is.

Agreed - but that doesn't surprise me at all, as I believe he is one of the the biggest racists in the country.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Yeah. It's over. Jesse Jackson pulls the puppet strings on black America, so once he nay-says a candidate, they're done.

Give me a break. I don't care for Obama much myself, but he's still going to poll strongly among Democrats and in the black community.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
I don't care for Obama much myself, but he's still going to poll strongly among Democrats and in the black community.

on top of that, Obama is almost whiter than Taye Diggs.

every Obama rally i've been to, he's usually quite easy to spot if you get my drift.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
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Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
If the comment "acting like he's white" is not a raciest comment I don't know what is.

Apparently, it's not possible for a person of colour to be racist.  wink 

If a white person had accused Clinton of "acting like he's black", all hell would have broken lose.



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User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 6):
If a white person had accused Clinton of "acting like he's black", all hell would have broken lose.

didn't Fox News Channel ... i mean that 1/2 News Hour ... i mean Fox News Channel accuse Hillary Clinton of speaking black?



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 7):
... i mean Fox News Channel accuse Hillary Clinton of speaking black?

Ugh, did you ever hear the audio? She did a very poor job at it.



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User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2237 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 5):
on top of that, Obama is almost whiter than Taye Diggs.

every Obama rally i've been to, he's usually quite easy to spot if you get my drift.

What a racist statement.

Something wrong with being "white" ? Racism is alive and well in America.



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
what Jackson said has been a tepid response to six black juveniles' arrest on attempted-murder charges



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

CALTECH:
Stop being facetious and your failed attempts of looking for reverse discrimination. Are you relying on the same intelligence that claimed Saddamn Hussien had WMD?  Silly
None of us here can write off Senator Obama at this point & time. Given the amount of attention you have given to him, it seems as though you cannot wait to write off his political obituary. Can you at least wait until the primary elections? Given the amount of money pouring in to his campaign, he is still viable and the voters can surprise you.
One thing you need to take in to account is whom the criticism is coming from. Jessie Jackson failed to get the Democratic Party nomination twice and that was before he had high negatives.
In addition, you need to stop inserting his middle name every time you mention him. Even your link does not mention his middle name.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
what Jackson said has been a tepid response to six black juveniles' arrest on attempted-murder charges

I hate to come to Jackson's defence on this but most civil rights activists have been arrested at one time or another. It comes with the job.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 12):
I hate to come to Jackson's defence on this but most civil rights activists have been arrested at one time or another.

Maybe the response to his arrests has been "tepid".

You don't have to come to Jackson's defense, I am not attacking him. Funny how he never (that I am aware of) comes to the defense of whites that are "falsely accused".


User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2237 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Stop being facetious and your failed attempts of looking for reverse discrimination.

I did not say there was anything wrong with being white

Quoting STLGph (Reply 5):
on top of that, Obama is almost whiter than Taye Diggs.

every Obama rally i've been to, he's usually quite easy to spot if you get my drift.

That sounds pretty racist to me, and what Jesse Jackson said too. I don't think it was a failed attempt at finding reverse discrimination, I think I found it.



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
In addition, you need to stop inserting his middle name every time you mention him. Even your link does not mention his middle name.

And what is wrong with using Barack Hussein Obama's middle name? Is there some kind of embarrassment attached to it? If he doesn't like it why doesn't he change it?

Or is it you and other Democrats that are overly-sensitive to it? Afraid it attaches some kind of negative stigma to him? Why would that be?

Now who's racist?


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3142 times:

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 14):
That sounds pretty racist to me, and what Jesse Jackson said too. I don't think it was a failed attempt at finding reverse discrimination, I think I found it.

What STLGph is saying is that most of Obama's support comes from Whites.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Funny how he never (that I am aware of) comes to the defense of whites that are "falsely accused".

Don't hold your breath because that will never happen.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3085 times:
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 5):
every Obama rally i've been to, he's usually quite easy to spot if you get my drift.

Because he's the one on stage doing the talking, right? That's what you meant....right?  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3085 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 15):
And what is wrong with using Barack Hussein Obama's middle name? Is there some kind of embarrassment attached to it? If he doesn't like it why doesn't he change it?

Or is it you and other Democrats that are overly-sensitive to it? Afraid it attaches some kind of negative stigma to him? Why would that be?

Now who's racist?

I suppose you also routinely refer to Fred Dalton Thompson, John Reid Edwards or Rudolf William Louis Giuliani? Mitt Romney doesn't count since he goes by his middle name.

No. The Barack Hussein Obama b.s. is a deliberate attempt to play on voter's xenophobia by affiliating him with those Muslim "others" (or more specifically, Saddam Hussein) that are threatening our freedom. If his middle name is "Hussein", he MUST be an Islamist terrorist/sympathizer, just as everyone named Joseph is a murdering communist.

Clearly, it's working. You've obviously bought into it.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 15):
And what is wrong with using Barack Hussein Obama's middle name?

Well, until I see people routinely referring to the other candidates as Fred Dalton Thompson or George Walker Bush or Willard Mitt Romney, I don't know why you have to mention Barack Obama's middle name...unless, you're trying to be inflammatory. Because, let's face it, no terrorists or ruthless dictators have ever had the middle name "Dalton". Though there was John Walker Lindh...so I guess it's not completely out of the question.

If anything, don't insult our intelligence in acting that there's no ulterior motive than mentioning his middle name to remind people that he has Muslim background.

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 days ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting CALTECH (Thread starter):

Is the black vote gone for Obama?

two counter questions :
- do black US-Americans really care as much as Mr Jackson thinks they do ?
- wouldn't Obama lose a lot of non-black votes by engaging himself in such a matter ?


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9371 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 days ago) and read 3046 times:

congratulations, Superfly, you're the only one that obviously gets it. but of course i'm the "racist" one and yet my comment made sense, whereas point in use of the word "Hussein" was ... ?

you know, Supy, a few weeks ago you made a comment about how "if we were to meet these people in person, we'd see that they are a lot 'better' in person." you would have been more correct had you gone the exact opposite.

[Edited 2007-09-19 20:33:59]


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 days ago) and read 3027 times:

Well Obama's got Oprah to help him, and that pretty much cancels out Jesse Jackson. More people believe in what comes out of her mouth than anyone else in the country.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 days ago) and read 3027 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
using "Hussein" shows even more

sorry, but what is the matter with the name Hussein ??
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Jessie Jackson failed to get the Democratic Party nomination twice and that was before he had high negatives.

isn't the man a bit too much based in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960ies ? a man of the past in a way ?
-


25 STLGph : it's complete tongue in cheek. without a doubt, sir, without a doubt.[Edited 2007-09-19 20:37:16]
26 ME AVN FAN : but why "tongue in cheek" ? I mean, it is a very frequent name, and for instance was the name of King Hussein of Jordan
27 DavestanKSAN : What? Because the good Rev. Jackson doesn't support him? Rev. Jackson doesn't represent all black people. Let me say that again. Rev. Jackson doesn't
28 STLGph : private me if you're that concerned about it. the good reverend doesn't support him because the good reverend knows he has zero influence on him.
29 Airfoilsguy : Because it is not a frequent name in the U.S. American politics are all about appearances and anything that can be perceived as negative will be poun
30 Post contains images Vio : I personally think that this guy (Jackson) is a huge racist... as is Oprah. I have friends from all over the world and I view everyone equally, but e
31 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : That too. . Dave
32 Wingnut767 : Well we do hear Hillary Rotten Clinton a lot.
33 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I think Jesse's being a little too black, frankly. I don't think he's polling well with blacks. Oprah is racist?
34 Deskflier : There was of course the Dalton Brothers band of desperadoes in the Old West. Other comparisons not applicable. Yes, like he actually has a chance of
35 MD11Engineer : Though there existed an infamous Dalton gang in the 19th century Wild West (all killed after a shoot out after a failed bank robbing). Jan
36 CALTECH : Actually, yes, I have heard a lot of people use George Walker Bushs' middle name, simply as W, or Dubya. I have heard William Jefferson Clinton used
37 Mir : Jesse Jackson disliking someone is not a bad thing for that someone. Nothing. It is, however, the last name of Saddam, and in the US when somebody say
38 CALTECH : Quite true. I can't see what the fuss is all about. I would like to know as much as possible all the information about a candidate as possible. When
39 AsstChiefMark : The kind of Americans who think "fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd" emails are "hard news" will simply assume that Obama is a Saddamist when they see the name Hussein.
40 Post contains images D L X : Please. You are very thinly veiled in your adamant attempts to link Obama to Hussein and Islam. Your "alibis" are not the slightest bit believable.
41 CALTECH : I didn't link him to the name Hussein, his parents did. Others here, immediately linked him to saddam, I never did. And his father was muslim, he att
42 AsstChiefMark : Man, you sure sound like a sleazy used car salesman I used to know. We used to call him Weasel.[Edited 2007-09-20 09:01:25]
43 Post contains images EA CO AS : I'm sure most would agree that John FITZGERALD Kennedy deserves it....
44 ME AVN FAN : it was the one of two FIRST names as his "last name" or "family name" was/is al-Takriti. But this is a minor detail. The main point is that it is a n
45 Post contains images D L X : BS. You are trying to make sure that everyone knows he has the same name. You are trying your best to paint him as Islamic. If you weren't, you would
46 CALTECH : King Hussein, a good man. Does the name mean handsome/beautiful in arabic? Sorry, did not mean to do that, of making it sound strange and sinister. O
47 ME AVN FAN : - to the first question, my impression is that he is not seen as a Muslim, but simply as a US-American To the second question, everything would/will
48 Post contains images Superfly : Save it! None of as was born yesterday and we all know exactly what you are trying to convey when you repeatedly emphasize Senator Obama's middle nam
49 DeltaDC9 : It is his name. I thought he was the first black president? He didn't give himself that moniker...pardon the pun...... I think the Clinton name will
50 Post contains images CALTECH : Still worried about his middle name. If some here are that worried, It is over for Obama in 2008. If this is his support and you guys have problems w
51 DavestanKSAN : Nice of you to take the high road and not generalise. Why do that? Who cares what Rev. Jackson has to say about Sen. Obama? He doesn't have as much i
52 Post contains images Allstarflyer : What a great name! Too bad there wasn't a Bart Ford, Bart Agnew (not far off - how unique is Bart compared to Spiro? ) or even Bart Rockefeller for t
53 Queso : I love this argument about his middle name. The lefties on here are going CRAZY because they think there is some sinister plot about leaking his name
54 CALTECH : Well it is only some liberals here who are complaining. Should have put 'some' in front of 'liberals' . I thought he did, he bused alot of people tod
55 D L X : Yes. The answer to any question that begins with "you think people are naive enough to..." is Yes. There will ALWAYS be people that naive, and there
56 Queso : Typical liberal viewpoint- people are too stupid to think for themselves, therefore government must think for them. Man, I am so sick of that shit. I
57 Post contains images D L X : Typical conservative response. Now we're both making poor generalizations. WTF? I think you meant to post that on another thread. It's a non-sequitur
58 Gunsontheroof : Maybe in the American polities' sense of the word "liberal" (maybe), but that's quite a departure from any real leftist philosophy that I'm familiar
59 Post contains images Queso : In case you hadn't noticed, dear mister Obama is a candidate for President of the United States. Last time I checked, that was a branch of the United
60 Post contains images D L X : In case YOU hadn't noticed, your comment was about the naivete of people who would make a link between Obama's middle name and terrorism, which of co
61 ME AVN FAN : - In most of Europe, US-American "liberals" would be middle-of-the-road folks with rightist leanings. GWB-Republicans in many countries like Germany
62 DavestanKSAN : Actually, my friend, there are some who can't make the correlation. I got this email from a good friend of mine, and I'm sorry to say, but a lot of p
63 Gunsontheroof : Pulling the communism card at the first mention of anything left of American "liberal" politics. Awesome. Cheers to predictability! Yep. And we know
64 CALTECH : Please, what a BS statement, so full of crap. I was in Germany this past August with a couple of GWB-Republicans, they were allowed in the country. T
65 CALTECH : Oh crap, what a mistake ! I'm embarrassed. Had too many Fitzs on the brain. Good catch.
66 ME AVN FAN : You simply totally MISunderstood my statement. US-Republicans of course are "allowed" and even welcome in Germany. But, would a German politician tak
67 Post contains images Santosdumont : You're assuming that African-Americans are, to quote the Washington Post's unfortunate 1993 description of right-wing evangelical voters, "poor, uned
68 Post contains images Superfly : Very well said. CALTECH: You have talked more about Senator Obama's middle name more than his campaign platform. Also, why is it so important to you
69 ME AVN FAN : To say it again, the West from 1952 to 1999 co-operated very well with KING HUSSEIN
70 Post contains links CALTECH : I didn't misunderstand. As in Europe, it depends which side of the political spectrum you stand on. A ultra-left winger would see almost everyone to
71 JGPH1A : Alive yes. Well no. The far right parties in Europe are very much on the fringe (FN in France, BNP/UKIP in the UK etc). Only place they seem to be ma
72 Queso : Attempts to smear? I don't see anybody disputing any of the points made in what you posted and I take it all as fact. It really doesn't matter to me
73 Captaink : He is BLACK civil rights activist if I am not mistaken. Therefore your statement simply makes no sense. But in all honesty, this fool Jesse Jackson s
74 ME AVN FAN : sorry, but that is an error. A European politician with a position of GWB will in Europe meet tremendous problems. In Switzerland, Federal Councillor
75 Queso : So by your logic, a white person cannot be an activist for blacks? Wow, welcome to the 50's, dude!
76 Post contains links CALTECH : Changing the goalposts as each one is scored is disingeniuos. Someone said they are prohibited by law, and that is not true. So is it they are banned
77 D L X : Those hostages over in Yugoslavia that Jackson secured the release of were white. But we always forget things that do not fit into our convenient ste
78 CALTECH : Maybe some others should rethink their stereotypes also. We need ME AVN FAN to answer that one. Some not-true statements were made and debunked. Post
79 Santosdumont : There's a difference between saying and assuming. Check Webster's. I agree with you in principle...but how do you think the man (assuming he were sti
80 D L X : How do you define "you guys?" Think carefully before you answer. He is not influential in the way that you trying to suggest. Blacks believe it or no
81 Captaink : The guy is going by the fact that black people has been mistreated, in the past, which is not a lie, and that he is out to represent them. Maybe he i
82 Queso : Point well taken, sir. And I agree completely.
83 Flybyguy : Jesse Jackson's comments toward Obama were completely irresponsible, but it goes the the simplicity of the sociological mindset of many blacks in Amer
84 ME AVN FAN : It is Not true today but true tomorrow and non-true the day after. European parliaments are sill trying to come up about how to define NAZISM and wha
85 LH423 : I don't think that's necessarily true. I think that the perception in Europe is that everyone on the "left" meets this centrist view. The problem is,
86 Santosdumont : This very cogent point reminds me of a bit that Arsenio Hall did when Tiger Woods first hit it big in the pro golf circuit. He said that Blacks would
87 ME AVN FAN : NO, that does in fact apply to a majority of Social-Democrat office holders, but not, to give one example, to the Swiss Foreign Minister (Federal Pre
88 Deskflier : Yes, it's when you take away individual rights for the cause of the common good. Just like the current US administration is doing now to combat terro
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