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Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6222 times:

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I never realized that the Iraqi police force had ordered so many Kia suvs and sedans.If you look carefully at the rear you will see the Kia Amanti, which is really not the best car in the world to use in such a demanding enviroment like Iraq. Why are they not buying American products???

Of course this could be a great marketing opportunity for Kia. Imagine a pic of Kia Amanti racing throught the streets of Iraq. That would be some great advertising !!!


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6209 times:

Maybe they're cheaper to replace when they get blown up by roadside bombs...


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6207 times:

Because American vehicles would get stoned and burned.

User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6199 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Because American vehicles would get stoned and burned.

But whether it is Kia or Ford any car with Iraq police on it is going to get hit at regardless of origin by the insurgents.

BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

If the bullets start flying you will not be able to get away in that car. Not even in Korea do police use that model for patrol cars....



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6189 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Because American vehicles would get stoned and burned.

I don't think the people doing the stoning and burning would know what is and what isn't an American vehicle.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

Its a Kia... 'nuff said.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 1):
Maybe they're cheaper to replace when they get blown up by roadside bombs...

Is that covered by the 100,000 mile warranty?  Wink


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
Not even in Korea do police use that model for patrol cars....

They actually use the Hyundai Sonata which is the same engine andd platform.

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
If you look carefully at the rear you will see the Kia Amanti, which is really not the best car in the world to use in such a demanding enviroment like Iraq. Why are they not buying American products???

Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels. Other than that, just check the JD POwer surveys and you'll see Korean brands rate higher than American ones in term of quality and reliability. Things have changed since the days of the Accent.

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Would you send half-decent cars into a warzone?


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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Would you send half-decent cars into a warzone?

I've seen a dew Merc's and BMW's in Scotland.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6120 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Maybe they do want to go round a few corners.  duck  In any case, the car to use would be a Toyota pick-up truck.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

There have been a number of GM brand, USA made vehicles sold in recent years there.
Probably the main reason is that Kia's (ironically the acronym of KIA = Killed in Action) are cheaper than American made vehicles, perhaps by 1000's per unit yet are decent cars. Other reasons:
South Korea may also get a lot of their oil, more so than the USA, from Iraq so may help with the exchange rate.
Maybe part of USA policy to spread the wealth around to others who are our allies to get into the market easier.
I also believe that some of the original distributors may be companies based in adjacent middle eastern countries and got into the market shortly after the fall of Saddam.
Perhaps too, top people with Kia or the distributor are willing to bribe the right people in Iraq as is tradition there to do business or to buy them for the government, something that the USA government and companies can do.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11689 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

KIA cars are cheaper and they have a much better fuel economy. I was curious about this when I was in Syria as almost every taxi you see is a Matiz, the rest being small KIAs, through broken English and Arabic managed to ask some of the drivers and this is what they told me. They're a lot better than the handful of surviving LADAs, that's for sure!


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Perhaps these Kias are coming from Iran, where Kias are built under license.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 4):
Its a Kia... 'nuff said.

I don't know. We have a 2000 Kia Sephia (the model was discontinued 2 or 3 years after ours was built) and so far it's been performing quite nicely. If we had that car in Germany, barring any enviromental issues since the car was build under different standards than those in Europe, we could even make at least 180 with it on the Autobahn. Big grin

The only problem is that I don't have a licence (though I can drive), and my father has become a much more impatient and, to my surprise because he used to be a good driver, a horrible driver in these recent years. Other than that, Kia cars are good in my experience and judging from the lack of complaints coming from other people I know who used to have a Kia (though they had a Sportage).  Wink


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

What is happening the all those six pack rings that the Kias come with.....I hope they aren't getting thrown away in the ocean where they could strangle a whale


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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Because if they do their fleet will suck up so much gas they might have to invade Kuwait to keep them going.  Smile

KIA have a big presence in obscure places. A lot of vehicle identical to the ones you see in the photo are common in Yemen with cops and MPs.

YOWza



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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Other than that, just check the JD POwer surveys and you'll see Korean brands rate higher than American ones in term of quality and reliability.

Wrong.

Ford Motor Company Captures Most Awards in 2007 Initial Quality Study
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007088

Buick and Lexus Brands Tie for Highest Rank in Vehicle Dependability
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007130

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

Complete nonsense. Fords can be seen all over Iraq, which has much harsher conditions than Korea.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/defensorfortis/143322627/

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Things have changed since the days of the Accent.

No they haven't. There's a reason why Hyundai and KIA need to provide such long warranties.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

I remember reading that when Saddam was in power,only 1 brand of car could be imported to Iraq.This was back when Chevy made RWD Malibu's. I remember that GM made them specifically for Iraq to run on leaded gas,then the regeim changed its mind and only imported Toyotas. GM then had to reconfigure them back to US standards.

[Edited 2007-09-26 15:08:31]


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Wait, I need to catch my breath...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 18):
Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

I think that the guys who designed the Hummer would disagree with you......



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
Fords can be seen all over Iraq, which has much harsher conditions than Korea.

But thats a heavy duty truck. Its not as if its a Crown Vic or something for a police cruiser, although I'd admit if I was there I'd want one of those trucks.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
No they haven't. There's a reason why Hyundai and KIA need to provide such long warranties.

Yes, they have, believe me.

The warranties are there as a MARKETING exercise to accentuate the quality of the build quality, there are some anomalies, but on the whole they are extremely good.

Alex


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Can you think of an American small/mid-size sedan which is cheap to buy and low on gas.
The Chevy Impala, Chrysler 300M, Dodge Charger and Ford Crown Vic are the only American sedans that come to my mind. I don´t think they are sufficient cars for the Iraqi police.
I think for a country like Iraq which has other problems than finding a nice and decent ride for their police force a Kia is maybe the best solution.



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

So is the Ford Crown Victoria.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
Can you think of an American small/mid-size sedan which is cheap to buy and low on gas.

Saturn Ion.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Saturn Ion.

How about one that won't break into pieces if you slam the door shut?

YOWza



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25 Post contains links MAH4546 : " target=_blank>http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...07130 Not wrong... Hyundai Leapfrogs Toyota in Quality http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_
26 MDorBust : I had a Saturn SC2 for several years. It got broadsided by a Dodge Durango that ran a red light. Needed a door panel replacement. Got rear ended by a
27 MCOflyer : I guess for oil trading as one member already said. Another reason is the reliability. Yes an Amanti will not get you out of a RPG fight but it may be
28 Dougloid : What's all that stuff between the Missouri River and California then? No heat? No dust? No humidity? Why don't you just come out and say you don't kn
29 Bok269 : KIA probably gave them a good deal. Simple as that. Another thing to consider is that maybe American companies don't want images of their vehicles fal
30 Post contains images ABQ747 : Old news means absolutely nothing. The latest JD Power ratings have Hyundai behind Honda, Toyota, and Ford. Yeah sure. That's why most law enforcemen
31 L-188 : You'll find more plastic in one then at a Tupperware Party. Yeah, they don't really handle cold weather that well. I saw one that got into a -5mph fe
32 Gigneil : Because American products for consumer markets by and large suck ass? NS
33 LOT767-300ER : I dont know what is funnier. Comparing a Crown Victoria to an Amanti Police Interceptor or UTA saying that Korean cars are made for heat/humidity bett
34 SBBRTech : Thought the same thing. Now really....lol I think the best police cars for Iraq would be the Ford Falcon XB Coupe, V8 351, aussie custom made for Mr.
35 CaptOveur : It is called lack of options. Name another large, rear drive car that can hold all the shit required of a police car including one possibly obese off
36 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : I would say that Dodge Charger R/T Police Interceptors are good police cars. If only we could get the Caprice's back
37 Post contains images Dougloid : The Iowa State Patrol has been evaluating them and the officers like them, not least because they have a lot of get up and go.
38 Post contains images United_Fan : Good luck getting a Crown up to 120 Not with a light bar,you aint.
39 LOT767-300ER : They should have made the Mercury Marauder a police car. That was the only worth replacement of the Caprice in the last 11 years until the Charger cam
40 AsstChiefMark : How many times have you been pulled over by one?
41 Alberchico : what about heavy duty hummer H2 models ???
42 Post contains links and images Fbgdavidson : Wow, that's unfortunate. I feel bad for those who drive Kias...especially these people www.streetkiaz.com H2s are about as heavy duty as a turd. H2s a
43 Alberchico : The Humvee actually does a relatively poor job of standing up to car bombs and rocket attacks. Do you know how many of these cars have been taken out
44 DeltaGator : Do you know anything about the USA? Please come visit the southern US from April through October and then get back to me about high heat and humidity
45 CaptOveur : Wanna bet on that? I have seen it more than a few times. According to radar most of them top out at 124, some will do 125. It takes a while to get th
46 LOT767-300ER : 0 Ive been pulled over by a: -Ford Explorer -Ford Expedition -Crown Victoria -Chevy Impala -Camaro Z28 -Mustang GT
47 Dougloid : Hey Dude, time to come out of the closet. We're all wondering when you're going to defend this horse poo. By my count it's been called BS at least si
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