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User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1050 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

From Reuters:
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Tuesday January 29 4:08 AM ET
Refugee Suicide Deadline Passes at Australian Camp
By Sophie Hares

WOOMERA, Australia (Reuters) - A suicide deadline set by a group of 11 teenagers at a camp for asylum seekers in the Australian desert came and went Tuesday with no news of their fate.

Afghan and Middle Eastern detainees at the Woomera detention center have tried to hang themselves, drunk disinfectant and sewn up their lips to protest at the months, and sometimes years, it takes to process refugee claims.

Some 200 detainees have been on a hunger strike for the last two weeks.

Lawyer Rob McDonald, representing the asylum seekers, said a 16-year-old Iraqi youth tried to kill himself overnight by hanging himself on a fence but guards intervened.

He said a group of 11 Afghan teenagers, aged 12 to 17, remained committed to a pledge to commit suicide if they were not removed from Woomera by 5 p.m. (1:30 a.m. EST) Tuesday and tension in the camp housing about 900 asylum seekers was running high.

``It's terribly strict. After 5 p.m. unfortunately it will be a matter of waiting to see what happens,'' McDonald said.

He told reporters the hunger strikers were awaiting further talks with a committee set up by the government to act as an intermediary between detainees and authorities.

FREQUENT PROTESTS

Protests, often violent, have become increasingly frequent at Woomera, the largest of the country's six camps, which is located in barren, treeless desert about 475 km (295 miles) north of Adelaide and lies just outside a small township.

Tuesday children from the camp threw notes reading ``Visa'' and ``Freedom'' as their school bus sped past reporters at a road block set up about 500 meters outside.

A member of the government-appointed panel, Paris Aristotle, said closing Woomera as a full-time detention center and only using it for emergencies, such as when a large group of asylum seekers arrived, would end the continuing unrest.

``It's obviously a very difficult and, for detainees, certainly perceived as a very harsh environment for them to be detained in for long periods,'' Aristotle told Australian radio.

Minor political parties, the Greens and the Australian Democrats, have joined the call to close Woomera, located in a former rocket range the size of England where summer temperatures soar to 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees F) or more.

But Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock said he would not be pressured into a snap decision by the protest, even though the turmoil is now spreading to other camps.

``I do not think it's appropriate that the decision should be taken in the context of duress,'' Ruddock told reporters.

However he said the situation would be reviewed if the number of asylum seekers arriving in Australia illegally continued to fall and after the opening of a new facility in coming months.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said the protests would not sway the government.

``Never, never deal with Australians by threatening them. You can threaten a lot of countries but you never want to threaten Australians,'' Downer told Reuters in an interview in London.

Australia has one of the world's harshest immigration policies, detaining all illegal immigrants in secure camps. The policy is supported by the main opposition party, Labor.

But the government toughened its stance further last August when it started to divert all asylum seekers to Pacific nations. Conservative Prime Minister John Howard won a third term in November after his tough stand on boat people was applauded by many Australians angry as the numbers of Afghan, Middle Eastern and Sri Lankan boat people rose to nearly 5,000 a year.

Woomera service station owner Dave Kirby said residents of a township of 1,300 people near the camp were out of patience.

``Sympathy for them? None, none at all. They get better food and stuff then we get in town,'' Kirby told Reuters.
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Actually I was in a late stage of planning a 5 weeks long vacation to Australia for September- October this year. This is now totally out of question. I will not spend a dime of my money in a country with such a nazi government.


Stratofish



The Metro might be the Sub(optimal)way
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User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

australia is huge and not very populated, they've got so much land to share. that's pure isolanism.


Purple Pride!
User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

I don't agree. Australia is fully within its rights to treat economic migrants as it sees fit and considering its small population relative to the rest of Asia, would be well advised to crack down on immigration immediately or else be deluged by foreign moochers sucking dry the public services.

User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

I agree... more power to Australia. Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, have to be willing to go through the process, whatever that may be.

User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Hoffa, are you in the KKK by any chance.


Purple Pride!
User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

>Hoffa, are you in the KKK by any chance

Now that was stupid. Downright stupid.


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Typical liberal response...you don't like the argument so you attack the person, preferably with the race/religion card.

Oz has a population just cracking the 20M mark. Indonesia has 230 Million for a start. You open the door for one lot of people, pretty soon the dregs of the earth will be showing up in their hordes.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

yazoo: Australia may be big (the 5th largest nation, just behind the US), but it's scarcely populated (roughly 20 million) and as the article demonstrated, Australia can be a very hostile environment...do you want to live in an area with 40°C temps and little water?

Didn't think so. Australia is merely protecting their interests, and the interests of those who enter the country and apply for citizenship legally.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

wren't the doors of the US wide open for the last 4 centuries ? did it hurt the US, no, it made it stronger, a diversity of people uniting under one flag, that's what makes us a strong economic and miltary superpower


Purple Pride!
User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Living in Australia, I think this government and its policies are absolutely dispicable. They deliberately cage them up like animals, and take as long as they can to process their Visas.

The government and most of the population are Xenophobic. They think that these people will take over the country and invade us.

It is very sad that a country like ours, that was built on immigrants has to resort to this.

The REAL "illegal immigrants" are the hundreds of British and American people who come here and overstay their visas.

These people, whatever you say, are commiting these "crimes" because theuy are so desperate. Imagine being stuck out in the Australian Desert for months and years on end. Wouldn't you be sick of it too?


User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

how about Arizona and new mexico ? Minnesota and North Dakota ? very hostile environments but nonetheless populated, Arizona's capital, Phoenix, is the 5th largest in the nation.


Purple Pride!
User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Only a moron like Goodbye could turn Australia's necessity of handling economic migrants harshly into an anti-American rant. Will you house a couple of Kurdish families in your house then Goodbye?

I really don't think the prospect of white people overstaying their visas is as much of a concern, especially since they don't draw welfare benefits from the pockets of Australian taxpayers. Duh!!!


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

>wren't the doors of the US wide open for the last 4 centuries ? did it hurt the US, no

Well if you'd like to look at September 11, 2001, I'd say open doors sure hurt us. I'm not suggesting we close the doors but we sure need to do something, preferably with letting fewer people from certain parts of the world in.

And don't start with your race and "you're anti-everything non-American" crap. I have immigrant friends who are some of the best people I've ever met-- they worked hard to come to America and they are grateful to be here... which is much more than you can say for some immigrants.


User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1382 times:


These people, whatever you say, are commiting these "crimes" because theuy are so desperate. Imagine being stuck out in the Australian Desert for months and years on end. Wouldn't you be sick of it too?


If they don't like it, let them go back to Iraq, Afghanistan, or wherever. Why should the government of Australia be obligated to people which are not its citizens/subjects?


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Hoffa: Where is my "anti-american rant"?

Did I mention America anywhere in my post?

Ok, maybe once, but it wasn't condemning them, I was simply saying that the British and American people who come here that are the real people who are casuing concerns.


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

And if I said, truthfully, that Arabs (and Mexicans for that matter) that come to America illegally or stay illegally are causing problems here, I'd be flamed to death....

But it is still the truth.


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

I'm not challenging Australia's right to selective acceptance of asylum seekers. Just make the process quick so people can get over it. There's no excuse for locking up people for years.

User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

What a joke you are Goodbye if you really think a few visa overstayers (probably tourists/backpackers) from the US and UK are more of a concern to Australian society than a deluge of immigrants from the destitute hovels of the earth.

User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Watewave: you have it absolutely correct. They are being locked up in the middle of the desert for an indefinite period of time, while the government takes its own sweet time with the Visa applications.

Hoffa: If you were in charge of the world, there would be no diversity, the only people would be white. You are so racist it is beyond belief.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

These people are law-breaking economic migrants. Aus should expel them.

As for giving in to demands of people who are hunger-striking.....that would just encourage more of it. Why didn't these illegals hunger strike against their own Iraqi or Afghan govts? <---- Rhetorical question. We all know the answer.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineHoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

The Howard government is to be commended for its consistent, firm stance on this issue which does take into account the majority of Australian public opinion nonetheless. Often times the right thing to do is not the easy thing to do. If an idiot like Goodbye sews his lips shut in solidarity with the Woomera refugees, I think we are all the better for it!

Thanks for calling me a racist. Still not one decent argument for you regarding why these people should be permitted to stay other than some vague liberal claptrap. You are nothing if not predictable.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Hoffa, you are definitely not a racist. Just a thoughtful, logical individual.

A country is nothing without borders. Aus has every right to control its own immigration policy and not be held hostage to criminals arriving on its shores & jumping the queue.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Hey GoodBye......what do you think about Japan's immigration policy? A country far wealthier and more in need of immigrants than Aus.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDeanBNE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Hoffa: Typical liberal response...you don't like the argument so you attack the person, preferably with the race/religion card
More of Hoffa's hypocrisy ...

What a joke you are Goodbye if you really think a few visa overstayers (probably tourists/backpackers) from the US and UK are more of a concern to Australian society than a deluge of immigrants from the destitute hovels of the earth
Get your facts straight. The number is believed to be in the thousands if not tens of thousands

The Howard government is to be commended for its consistent, firm stance on this issue
It's called playing the race card. You seem to exploit that the notion well, Hoffa ... you play on people's fears and prejudices...

Goodbye: I think this government and its policies are absolutely dispicable
I agree Goodbye. At a time of unprecented economic prosperity we detain/imprison these people, without any charges, for up to 13 months. They won the election using the race card and now, surprise suprise, they are just starting to soften there stance. Bring back Keating. He knew what leadership was about


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6289 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

How can non-Australians allow themselved to make comments on this thread?

Non-Australians should only bring forward one comment: A firm invitation to bring the illegal immigrants to their own countries.

After they have done so, then they should probably be allowed to make comments on Australian politics. Until then, let the Australians govern their country.

Regards, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
25 V Jet : "Bring back Keating" You have to be joking right. Remember the interest rates he left us with!
26 Travelin man : "I really don't think the prospect of white people overstaying their visas is as much of a concern, especially since they don't draw welfare benefits
27 Alessandro : I would like to remind you all about the Afghani past of Australia, when caravans with Afghanis carried cargo on camels to Alice Springs. Thats why th
28 Mx5_boy : Stratofish, Don't beleive everything you read in the media. These detainee's have done nothing to ingratiate themselves to the Australia authorities w
29 Ryanb741 : Just a question.... Are those being held in these camps genuine asylum seekers or illegal immigrants. If they are genuine asylum seekers they should g
30 Hoffa : Hoffa, I didn't realize that all Americans or British people who visited Australia were white. I'll be sure to tell that to my Filipino-American frie
31 Travelin man : Hoffa, you're a moron. I'm sure you could care less about that too. The "white world"? That's pretty funny.
32 Aviatsiya : Hoffa Try to avoid use of the words "white world". It smacks just a bit of Aryan Nation type talk...don't you think? If you are talking about America
33 Hoffa : Blah blah blah. Judging a person over a internet connection and some copper wire...so classy of you both. I don't like homosexuality either. Suppose I
34 Aviatsiya : I could care less what you think about homosexuality. Use a persons homosexuality as the sole reason to deny them services or goods or other rights; t
35 Travelin man : It's too bad every bitter, lonely, racist homophobic 40 year old can have a computer. Oh wait, was that too judgemental?
36 Mx5_boy : Travellin man, Unfortunately many of the illegals decide to destroy their passports / identification documents which makes it extremely difficult to d
37 Hoffa : Who is judging whom now? I was making my comments to "Travellin' Man" who burst on the scene, took my remarks completely out of context, and labelled
38 Travelin man : Go back to your "white world" Hoffa. The rest of us can discuss this in an intelligent manner. Mx5_boy -- I guess I do not understand how these detain
39 Mx5_boy : Hoffa, "he will be visiting an Australian nudist colony next month with his live-in Gigolo" It's comments like that which don't endear you to anyone?
40 Travelin man : Mx5_boy -- I'm sure you give Hoffa too much credit, as I'm sure he has no wife, crack whore or otherwise. TM
41 Post contains images Aviatsiya : But he doesn't like homosexuality Mx5_boy....that gives him the right to degrade TM ya see
42 Travelin man : Well, at least I'm white, or Hoffa would have a field day.
43 Mx5_boy : TM/Scotty, I realise that's the case, still it's uncalled for. One would expect to insinuate something upon 'the great straight man' himself would be
44 Aerorobnz : Australia is fine, at least it isn't a soft touch nation like New Zealand that lets in hundred every time Helen Clark feels sorry for someone else or
45 ADG : Actually I was in a late stage of planning a 5 weeks long vacation to Australia for September- October this year. This is now totally out of question.
46 ADG : I think you are all missing a number of points. 1. They are assessed IMMEDIATELY upon entry into the country, those assessed as legitimate are immedia
47 Ryanb741 : Thanks for clearing that up ADG - so those held at Woomera are illegals, right? In that case I think the criticism of Australia is a little unfair - i
48 Stratofish : "and how did the conversation get onto homosexuality? Are the illegals homosexuals as well? Is there a nudist colony in Woomera? Relevance?" The only
49 ADG : Thanks for clearing that up ADG - so those held at Woomera are illegals, right? Yes, not only illegals but quite pathetic examples of humanity if the
50 ADG : It´s not about hatred, Sure it is, otherwise you would have asked us what was going on over here, instead of listening to the false reports that are
51 Mx5_boy : VH-ADG, I agree with everything you have pointed out. Although, if the media actually focused on the disgusting behaviour displayed at the detention c
52 Post contains images 777236ER : 2. Australia is the ONLY country that self assesses. Is it just me that finds that statement really really funny??
53 LH423 : Although I side with Australia and (apparantly) most Australians on the matter, I would like to comment on one thing: ADG, your comparison between Eur
54 Yyz717 : Why can't Aus simply deport these illegal criminals? Put them on a plane and fly them back to Indonesia? Why is Aus being so accommodating? Canada is
55 Post contains images ADG : ADG, your comparison between Europe and Australia is like apples and oranges. If you think Australia's resources are strained, compare this to Germany
56 PHX-LJU : ADG wrote: >>"I'm really glad you decided not to come, that will allow you to continue your hatred against a country you know nothing about based on r
57 ADG : So now you know why we Americans react the way we do to your uninformed outbursts against our country, ADG? As I stated before, I have no problem with
58 Post contains links PHX-LJU : ADG wrote: >>"What do you know of my knowledge of the United States? Nothing!" Well, I'm estimating your knowledge of the US based on what you've post
59 DeanBNE : It's interesting how there seems to have been no more boat people arrive since the election ... must be coincidence. *sigh* Still waiting to see the v
60 ADG : Well, I'm estimating your knowledge of the US based on what you've posted on a.net. Judging from that, I can safely stand by my statement that you "kn
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