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A Question For Those Against Ahmedinejad  
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

I realize he's made many inflammatory remarks, my question is, why do people criticize him so much, when there are other regimes in the region that are much more oppressive?
In Iran, you can at least vote for the leader, though the screening process takes away a lot of the choice.

In Saudi Arabia, you can't even vote, and the regime there is probably the most oppressive regime in the world, yet we see our President treating the Royal Family from there with lots of respect.

Ahmedinejad shows up in America, and he is treated like a criminal, they show up, they are treated extremely well.

Egypt is another oppressive regime that is never talked about. The list goes on and on.

I just don't see how Ahmedinejad is criticized and the others not. I can understand if we took the same stance with all the dictatorships in the region, but we don't.

Seems a bit odd to me.

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Totally understandable question...I guess the difference is that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc don't try to export Islamic revolution, don't fund terrorist groups like Hezbollah, don't provide explosives and supplies to the insurgency in Iraq, aren't developing nuclear weapons, and don't have Americna blood on their hands, etc...Hope this helps explain it...

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

should have added this:

I'm not defending his actions in any way, I find his speech full of hatred as well, and a lot of what he says is ridiculous, I'm just wondering why some criticize him so much, and not much is said about the Saudi regime.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
I realize he's made many inflammatory remarks, my question is, why do people criticize him so much, when there are other regimes in the region that are much more oppressive?

Simple: Mahmaniac is a much more public figure than, say, Hosni Mubarrak or the Saud family. Hell, even the Burma (or as they want to be called, Myanmar) military junta dictatorship hasn't been discussed in years in the public, or was at least not as publicised as Iran's and/or North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
In Saudi Arabia, you can't even vote, and the regime there is probably the most oppressive regime in the world

I'm not here to defend the human rights violations in Saudi-Arabia, however I have to say that along with Burma, North Korea is the most oppressive regime of them all. Why? Because the DPRK still believes in absolute self reliance (or the Juche policy), despite all the humanitarian aid the country got during the big famine and even today, their dictator is a certifiable madman who believes himself and his father to be god, and their people are literally imprisoned in their own country. The only reason why they even got an airline at all is the little tourism they have, or VFR traffic into Pyongyang.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

I think one of the reasons is that the other countries have shown good will to the U.S. Ahmedinejad has done just the opposite.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
I'm not here to defend the human rights violations in Saudi-Arabia, however I have to say that along with Burma, North Korea is the most oppressive regime of them all.

I forgot about those two. SA is more oppressive than Iran IMO, but NK probably has them both beat.

Burma is pretty bizarre.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
I think one of the reasons is that the other countries have shown good will to the U.S. Ahmedinejad has done just the opposite.

Yes, but shouldn't they be criticized for their oppressiveness as well, despite them being our "allies" ( I refuse to consider the Saudis an American ally).

So if Ahmedinejad came out, and renounced all his remarks and sided with America, would the criticism stop?

I guess it worked for Khaddafi.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11667 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
The only reason why they even got an airline at all is the little tourism they have, or VFR traffic into Pyongyang.

That, and to take the dignitaries down to Macau to while away the national budget in casinos  Yeah sure

Very interesting points that you make Copaair737 - another Dictator I would add to that list is Mugabe, the beatings handed out to the opposition party members are intolerably inhumane... sanctions really are not enough. It's not as if the famine and hardship the citizens are now going through wasn't inevitable, chuck out the white farmers, burn the machinery and fields and then, shock horror, a couple of years down the line they have food shortages... its utterly stupid.


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Mugabe is a savage as well, but I don't think his time with us will be long lived. He's getting up there in age and his health is bad.

The country of Zimbabwe is going down the tubes at an alarming rate too, what with their 7000% inflation and all.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26596 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
don't fund terrorist groups like Hezbollah

And it is the Bush Administration that has allowed that to keep on, despite Iranian offers to the contrary

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
don't provide explosives and supplies to the insurgency in Iraq

Which has not been proven.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
aren't developing nuclear weapons

Which really hasn't been proven.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
and don't have Americna blood on their hands

 redflag 



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
In Iran, you can at least vote for the leader,

And if you vote wrong you loose your head.

Fact is that Iran is in a world of hurt because it's best and brightest has fled the country over the last 30 years, leaving most of the dumards behind. Those that are easly enchanted by the hatred that is islam. That country has been poisioned by that belief system. I just can't imagine how much audit council will be needed when they decide they want to return to the world stage.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

For all we know, the Saudis could have been behind 9/11, but they are still welcomed as guests of honor into our Country.
One of the hijackers who lived in San Diego was getting checks from Prince Bandar's wife, yet the Sazudi royals are treated like royalty when they come here.

If you are going to criticize one regime, it's hypocritical not to criticize them all.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
And if you vote wrong you loose your head.

Not true, there are other candidates, yet all are screened by the Ayatullahs.
You don't get killed for voting for the other candidate, nor do the rival candidates get jailed or killed.
In Saudi Arabia, you don't even get the choice to vote, all you get is an oppressive regime of royalty.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 12):
Not true, there are other candidates, yet all are screened by the Ayatullahs.

  

Even the most liberal of all candidates will only appear on the ballot if the Ayatollahs give their blessing for that (no pun intended). Remember: the real people in power in Iran are the clerics, from whom one of them becomes Supreme Leader of Iran, in this case Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who was president himself for a while before becoming the successor of the original Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khomeini.

[Edited 2007-09-26 03:30:43]

User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Remember: the real people in power in Iran are the clerics, from whom one of them becomes Supreme Leader of Iran

This was the point I was going to make. I believe we have to a degree legitimised Ahmadinejad by giving him so much press; I think we should ignore next time he makes an outlandish statement.

If we as a world are concerned about Iran we should focus less on Ahmadinejad and more on the the Supreme Leader.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26596 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):

And if you vote wrong you loose your head.

Wrong.

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 14):

If we as a world are concerned about Iran we should focus less on Ahmadinejad and more on the the Supreme Leader.

Even Khamnei doesn't have the final say when it comes to foreign policy. That generally comes from the Council of Guardians, who are heavily influenced by Rafsanjani and former president Khatami.



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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

We embrace the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, yet we despise the Islamic Republic of Iran. Both "cruel" regimes.

We embrace the first because is our ally.

We despise the second because is our enemy.

That's America for you. End of story.  Cool



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2253 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Which has not been proven.

I think you need to speak with our friend UH60. He can tell you about Iran meddling in Iraqi affairs.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26596 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 17):

I think you need to speak with our friend UH60. He can tell you about Iran meddling in Iraqi affairs.

For which he has no evidence as well. What there is evidence of, however, is the millions coming from Saudi Arabia supporting Sunni insurgents.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
For which he has no evidence as well. What there is evidence of, however, is the millions coming from Saudi Arabia supporting Sunni insurgents.

Yet the US welcomes the Saudi Royals into America with great hospitality.

It makes no sense to me.
Iran may or may not cause things, but there is evidence of Saudis meddling in things, yet the Iranians are punished.

It should be the other way around.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
That generally comes from the Council of Guardians, who are heavily influenced by Rafsanjani and former president Khatami.

How can Rafsanjani and Khatami influence that council? Hell, AFAIK Rafsanjani lost the elections against Mahmaniac and is considered someone who prefers to avoid any conflict with the US, like his successor Khatami, and unlike Ahmadinejad.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

To answer the thread starter, it may well come down to media propaganda and who's making the most noise at the time. I agree that our country has a history of making friends with folks and regimes that later on turned out to be less than desirable, but I guess it comes down to making connections and deals. When communism was the enemy we made friends with Saddam, OBL, and others that later on we labeled enemies. However, I think that the US government considered them enemies even then, but had no choice to befriend them as it was fighting a bigger fish. Such is the case today, in the fight against terrorism we've gone to bed with regimes that may be oppressive at home but facilitate our military effort. We can call it wrong, dishonest, hypocrisy, etc, bottom-line it's how governments have operated for hundreds of years.

In an ideal world we wouldn't have oppressive regimes at all; in a less than ideal world we would treat everyone fairly and call a thief a thief all the time, without making distinctions because they are "allies". In the real world, we sometimes have to look a person's sins to obtain their help to achieve a higher objective. But don't worry, those that do wrong will pay when the day comes, no one stays in power forever.

Charles


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
my question is, why do people criticize him so much, when there are other regimes in the region that are much more oppressive?

Because arms from his country are being used to kill US soldiers, and he is doing nothing to stop it, perhaps even sanctioning it.

I dunno... call me crazy... but people who want me and my friends dead, are usually not my friends! So I think that's a perfectly good reason not to like the man. (Oh and he wants my family in Israel wiped off the map, but who doesn't, these days?)

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
For which he has no evidence as well. What there is evidence of, however, is the millions coming from Saudi Arabia supporting Sunni insurgents.

Ahh, yes, Alireza knows more than those on the ground.

I guess that manpad - the Iranian made Misagh - which was fired at me.... fell into Iraqi hands by accident? Iran, no doubt, had no knowledge of their weapons being sold/given to insurgents in Iraq. Instead of killing the man who fired the manpad, and turning the platform into my higher command... I probably should have flown 100 miles to the east and hand delivered the thing to the Iranians. I bet they really wanted it back.... because those pesky insurgents stole it. God, get a grip.  Yeah sure

But aside from a personal account, which convinces me that Iranian arms are being supplied to kill US soldiers, there are numerous factual reports that indicate Iran's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

-UH60


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 22):

But aside from a personal account, which convinces me that Iranian arms are being supplied to kill US soldiers, there are numerous factual reports that indicate Iran's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That really isn't a good enough reason in all fairness, nato troops get attacked by chinese, pakistani and russian weapons on a daily basis, why don't those nations get some flak? Hell, pakistan harbors Osama Bin Laden himself yet no one wants to left a finger at them, half the saudi sheikhs are financing al qaeda secretly yet no one seems to be pointing fingers at them either, the only reason iran gets to sit on the hot seat is because of its powerful position in the region.



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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 23):
That really isn't a good enough reason in all fairness

Well... read what I said.

I'm not saying we should invade the country. All I did was answer why I didn't like the man. ...His country is arming people who are killing US soldiers, and he's not stopping them. Either the Iranian government is actively/passively arming the insurgency... or they are complete inept and cannot maintain accountability of their own military equipment.

...That's not a good reason to simply dislike a person? Really?

-UH60


25 Post contains images AGM100 : Is it enough that he calls my country the great Satan and wishes us destroyed. I dont know , call me crazy ... but I want to knock his ass in the dirt
26 AndesSMF : Yes Hard to say that those countries don't do the same thing. But even if Iraq did not exist, the rest of the ME would never allow the Iranians to ge
27 Dc863 : The Saudis are our "allies" because of oil and our deal to protect the Royals with our military. In the 1970s Pakistan had the honor of militarily def
28 LAXspotter : I'm gonna take his word for it, someone who clearly knows the region, and is from there. Just wondering tho, if Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US, ye
29 UH60FtRucker : The way I see it - the government is an uneasy ally of the US. ...It is the people who are enemies of the US. And why? I mean really... when you look
30 LAXspotter : Iraq was the birthplace of all of those, maybe they didnt know about the political and cultural systems of the west, but we Americans are quite ignor
31 Copaair737 : Switch Europe to Saudi Arabia and church to Royal Family and you have the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
32 UH60FtRucker : lol... hence my comment: But seriously Copa, do you understand why I don't like the guy? I'm not saying we ought to invade the country... I'm just sa
33 FlyMIA : Saudi Arabia and Egypt dont support to get rid of Israel and call the Holocaust fake or support terrorism and hate the United States and its allies. I
34 Arsenal@LHR : I'm suprised you asked this question i thought you'd might have a better idea. The reality is that US foreign policy is very selective, the "rogue st
35 Copaair737 : I don't think its a question whether or not you like him or not. That's your choice. I'm pointing out the inconsistencies with foreign policy. If we
36 Cfalk : That's it in a nutshell. Exactly. Libya stopped trying to export trouble outside their borders, and stopped developing weapons which could fall into
37 MSYtristar : An event which I am very embarrassed ever took place, but it is what it is. But in all fairness, Ahmadinejad was mobbed by Bollinger, not so much by
38 ME AVN FAN : Egypt is NOT under an oppressive regime, it in fact is a democracy to a very wide extent, which means a democratically elected parliament with many p
39 GDB : A fair question indeed. Yes Saudis were 15 of the 19 hijackers, but they wanted their own government gone too. Saudi did for many years, export it's o
40 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : It's interesting to note that looking at the Summer Surge, our greatest inroads have been made in the Sunni communities. We have found the most succe
41 Baroque : Much the best idea, not that you will get a great deal out of the SL, but he makes the decisions. Abusing Ahmad, might just lessen his unpopularity a
42 AndesSMF : Easier said than done. Plus, you need two willing governments to keep a border secure.
43 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Well we have been on the borders for some time... but you have to understand it's a numbers game. Troops on the boarder means, less troops in the cit
44 N1120A : Or from gun runners. Or is more willing to speak the truth What do you mean how? Rafsanjani is one of the most hated men in Iran, yet wields some of
45 Baroque : Them's the breaks as they say, and those problems go with the territory of conquest. It is just astonishing that Blair at least did not know about th
46 LTU932 : So, despite both Rafsanjani and Khatami having been non-confrontational during their presidential terms, they may now be partly responsible for the c
47 Cfalk : Not as confrontational as this clown, but they did not stop supporting terrorists like Hezbollah and Hamas. Like I said, if they cut their ties to te
48 LTU932 : That's very true.
49 N1120A : They aren't responsible. The Council of Guardians backed Iranian envoy offered The 2003 offer included pulling all support from Hamas and transitioni
50 Post contains links and images UH60FtRucker : It is still unacceptable when a military cannot maintain accountability for their arms and equipment. When this happens in the US military, a very un
51 Post contains links N1120A : Unless you have proof that Iran is directly supplying weapons to insurgents, you owe an entire country an apology. Oh really? http://www.npr.org/temp
52 Post contains images Miamiair : If they are gun runners, then they are state sponsored gun runners. The weapons that they(Iran) are smuggling into Iraq are killing our troops. Fish
53 Toast : I've always been told guns don't kill people, people kill people...
54 UH60FtRucker : Oh the stories I could tell you. You have no idea how much damage he, and his team, did to the DoD. You're absolutely right, Powell was a man who sho
55 N1120A : I would, if I were to condone the actions George Bush has taken in the last 5 years. Anyway, there is no zero-sum game here like there was in the lea
56 Post contains links UH60FtRucker : "Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militia" http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=2688501 "Iranian arms intercepted at Iraqi border" http
57 LTU932 : Isn't that also a result of the tribes in Anbar province working together, not only to reduce violence, but also to help each other? I think I saw a
58 UH60FtRucker : Absolutely. And I think this is a very good sign. What has been our biggest complaint (It's certainly been one of mine)? ...Iraqis not carrying their
59 Dc863 : Hypocrisy is at the heart of ANY nations foreign policy. Welcome to Foreign Policy Decison Making 101. Man do you live in la la land.
60 N1120A : No, I said you have no proof for the claims you make.
61 Arsenal@LHR : Firstly, hypocrisy is not central to every nations foreign policy, only to the big industrialised countries who require the continious flow of natura
62 Post contains images Cfalk : If a drug dealer contacts the police and says, "If you will give me a pardon, I'll stop selling drugs", what should the answer be? No, first you stop
63 N1120A : So, then the US should also stop supporting Israel's undermining of Lebanese affairs, as well as force them to disassemble their nuclear armament. Ir
64 Post contains links and images UH60FtRucker : You said in this thread: ...implying that I am not speaking the truth. That I am lying. In this thread: MoveOn.org Slides Further Into Disrepute (by
65 AndesSMF : We'll stop as soon as Syria stops. So did al-Qaeda, remember? IIRC, the condition was that as soon as we all become Muslims, they'll stop. Were we wr
66 Cfalk : Oh, jeez... In a pig's eye. You really think that all that happened was without the full cooperation and colusion of the Khomeini leadership? That th
67 AndesSMF : My understanding was that the students took it upon themselves to do this. Khomeini was not a part of the planning and was hesitant at first as to wh
68 Post contains images LTU932 : You know, you just reminded me of B.J. Hunnicutt from M*A*S*H and his frustrations with the Korea war and now seeing his daughter, but at least he li
69 N1120A : There was no official government in Iran at the time of the hostage crisis. Sort of like Saddam = al-Qaeda and WMD? Which has absolutely nothing to d
70 Dc863 : Don't like it? Welcome to the real world.
71 AndesSMF : 444 days w/o a government? My example still stands. You provide no link as to what Iran offered in exchange, hence there is no knowledge whether the
72 Dc863 : The left always wants to accomodate evil. For some odd reason they feel evil can be reasoned with. The French socialists thought the same in 1939 conc
73 N1120A : Are you forgetting that a revolution was going on? Try reading Trita Parsi's new book.
74 Post contains images Toast : And for the sake of quality of debate, can we please keep fairy tale vocabulary such as "good" and "evil" out of politics? There is no such thing in
75 Dc863 : Rotfl
76 AndesSMF : Jan. 16, 1979 - Shah leaves Iran Feb. 1, 1979 - Khomeini returns to Iran Feb. 4, 1979 - Interim Government of Iran established by the Ayatollah Apr.
77 N1120A : And if you think Iran and Iranians are evil and the current US administration not, you have another thing coming.
78 Miamiair : You are starting to sound like Ahmedinejad's Mini-Me, next you're going to tell us there are no homosexuals in Iran.
79 Dc863 : The Iranian people aren't evil but they're gov't sure as hell is.
80 N1120A : Nah. I know several. The point wasn't to say either one was evil, rather to point out similarities
81 Dc863 : I'm sure the mullahs will have all homosexuals wear the pink triangle on their clothes.
82 Post contains images Keesje : See how much we are brainwashed. Wasn´t OBL, the 9-11 team and Al Qadai finances Saudi Arabian? No, wait it must have been Saddam..
83 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Look... that's not what you said. Anyone reading your comments would agree that you were questioning whether I was telling the truth. You didn't have
84 MSYtristar : You know how it goes, man. People practice "selective comprehension" at an alarming rate these days. Oh well, such is life. BTW, we still need to go
85 Cfalk : So Hitler was just misunderstood? How about Saddam? Jack the Ripper? OBL? There is a term for your belief. It's called moral relativism, and it is on
86 Post contains images N1120A : That doesn't happen, so get over yourself. I might in the not too distant future.
87 Cfalk : Perfect example. When so many people prefer to oppose Bush rather than Islamic extremism, for instance. it shows a complete lack of moral compass. No
88 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : You're quite right. That would be far too lenient on those damn sinners! Instead this would probably happen: Or maybe this: Or this: ...Oh that wacky
89 N1120A : Oh really? Then why were two more sections of his disgusting Un-Patriot Act declared unconstitutional today? I don't think you would know an Islamic
90 Dc863 : Exactly. Easy there lefty. I'll take your word for it. Btw do you know what happened to an Iranian bus driver who tried to start a union? Can ya gues
91 N1120A : Um, Mansour Osanlou can still talk, though it is a shame how many times he and other bus driver union leaders have been arrested. Then again, I have
92 UH60FtRucker : I do believe there is a difference between discrimination and corporal punishment... in fact, I think there is a HUGE difference!! For all the proble
93 N1120A : That is the law. You don't have to like the law, but at least they adhere to a rule of law. In the US, the government murders people all the time. Ag
94 Dc863 : So does the Iranian gov't. Btw nice try defending the indefensible.
95 Post contains images RJpieces : It absolutely amazes me how little people learn from history. Sixty years after Britain tried to appease Hitler with devastating results, we are deal
96 UH60FtRucker : So... you're not going to condemn it? You are willing to excuse these actions... because it's their law?? I dunno... that just seems like a cop out.
97 AndesSMF : Funny that people like you complain about how we support the extremists SA government, while at the same time, people just like you are more than wil
98 DeltaOwnsAll : whatt in the world!?
99 Dc863 : Welcome to the world of the left. Kind of similar to Bizarro World.
100 Baroque : Where did those graphs come from? Are they generally available. They appear to contain much more information than I have seen previously. But it look
101 ME AVN FAN : The statistics "Rucker" provided above also gives hope that some sections of the former Ba'ath Party, under the increasing military pressure, decided
102 Toast : Jesus f*ing Christ. I cringe whenever I hear an grown-up, apparently educated person utter words like "evil" in all seriousness ("Axis of Evil"???),
103 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Also in "real life" also intelligent and educated persons get moved away by "les emotions fortes" ! - I am still halfway amused and halfway confused
104 Baroque : One of the odd things about that is that condemning "the devil" is precisely the mode of thought that Ahmad himself would have. The other oddity is t
105 ME AVN FAN : - I am perfectly certain that by a correct popular vote, a majority of Iranians would vote out the Sharia. People in Muslim countries may favour a co
106 Post contains images Toast : It seems though as even the very moderately liberal Khatami was in fact something of an improvement. Do you think the mullahs regretted his more or l
107 ME AVN FAN : He WAS an improvement, whenever you have to bear in mind that Khatami is NOT a "real" liberal, just a liberally-minded and open-minded fundamentalist
108 SBBRTech : And by that you end up supporting the wrong guys. Remeber Saddam? He was an ally once.... For what we´ve seen this multi-standard foreign policy ame
109 Baroque : Not a bad description of Khatami. To which one could add, that while he was not exactly good for Iran, he was a heck of a lot better than Ahmad. And
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