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Bill Clinton Law Suit Going Too Far...?  
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

OK.. I don't want to get into a Dems -v- Reps.... Clinton -v- Bush. This is just do you think Bill Clinton has the right to bring a law suit against an establishment that has been displaying a picture of his daughter Chelsey with the owner for the last 5 years. Keep in mind, Chelsey was an adult (22) when the picture was taken...? I say no. Chelsey is an adult and was an adult when the picture was taken and she is the only one to have a say in this matter. The photo was taken with her permission. Heck, living here in BNA I can't think of too many places I go into that doesn't have a head shot or photo with the owner.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298173,00.html

[Edited 2007-09-27 00:10:47]


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

I would say that the case would be thrown out since President Clinton doesn't have any standing in the matter... unless his daughter has somehow awarded him power of attorney.

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Why is Bill demanding the photo be removed? Did the owner put the photo up without permision?

I say if it's ok with Chelsey then the photo should stay.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):
I would say that the case would be thrown out since President Clinton doesn't have any standing in the matter... unless his daughter has somehow awarded him power of attorney.

Read closer. The lawyer was writing on behalf of Ms. Clinton, not President Clinton

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 2):
Did the owner put the photo up without permision?

Apparently.

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 2):
Why is Bill demanding the photo be removed?

Bill isn't. Chelsea is.



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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Bill isn't. Chelsea is.

Oh ok, I mis read the article. (and spelled Chelsea's name wrong)



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 4):
and spelled Chelsea's name wrong

I noticed that after I lost the option to edit it....



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Read closer. The lawyer was writing on behalf of Ms. Clinton, not President Clinton

From a linked article

Quote:
But that photo is now at the center of a dispute brought on behalf of Bill Clinton by his lawyer, Douglas J. Band, who on Sept. 18 fired off a rather threatening letter to Selimaj demanding that he take down the snapshot immediately — or face the Clintons’ ire, presumably in the form of legal action.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298197,00.html

It appears that President Clinton is the originator of the request.


User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

I'm sure there's more of a story behind this... Bill has better things to be doing with his time, and really why would he care? I'm wondering if the shop owner was using Chelsea as a promotional tool, like "Clinton eats here" kinda thing.

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):
It appears that President Clinton is the originator of the request.

No the story indicated the daughter is the originator of the request to remove the photo - she just asked Daddy and Daddy's lawyer for help.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I take it y'all haven't seen the photo.

BTW, isn't that RootsAir in front of Ms. Clinton?



[Edited 2007-09-27 02:07:49]

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
No the story indicated the daughter is the originator of the request to remove the photo - she just asked Daddy and Daddy's lawyer for help.

Okay, I'm blind then. Where?

All I can find is, "on behalf of Bill Clinton by his lawyer" which is a clear statement.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
I take it y'all haven't seen the photo.

I just threw up in my mouth.  Wink

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
No the story indicated the daughter is the originator of the request to remove the photo - she just asked Daddy and Daddy's lawyer for help.

The FoxNews and AP stories both say Bubba had his lawyer draw up the letter. Neither of them mention Chelsea making the request through daddy's lawyer nor that the request was made on her behalf. Hell, she makes 100K+ a year in her job so she could hire her own damn lawyer if she wanted to do so. Methinks that a request was already made and now daddy's lawyers are getting involved.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Read closer. The lawyer was writing on behalf of Ms. Clinton, not President Clinton

So Mr. Band must be Chelsea's lawyer, too?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Hell, she makes 100K+ a year in her job so she could hire her own damn lawyer if she wanted to do so.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Hell, she makes 100K+ a year in her job

Must be nice to have rich parents.

Quoting EMBQA (Thread starter):
displaying a picture of his daughter Chelsey with the owner for the last 5 years

Seriously I don't think she has a leg to stand on. It was a known photo taken in a public photo.

Akin to somebody sueing one of us because we took a photo of an airplane on a public ramp.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):

It appears that President Clinton is the originator of the request.

No, his lawyer was.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 10):


All I can find is, "on behalf of Bill Clinton by his lawyer" which is a clear statement.

In the short, opinion heavy Faux News article. In the less biased version cited by the OP, the only mention of Bill Clinton is that Band is also his attorney. According to Band's letter, Ms. Clinton is the one who doesn't want her likeness used.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 12):

So Mr. Band must be Chelsea's lawyer, too?

Probably

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Hell, she makes 100K+ a year in her job so she could hire her own damn lawyer if she wanted to do so.

Bill has one on staff, so why not.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):

Seriously I don't think she has a leg to stand on. It was a known photo taken in a public photo.

The guy has every right to keep the photo if she posed for it, he just has no right to use it as free advertising.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
According to Band's letter, Ms. Clinton is the one who doesn't want her likeness used.

Okay, seriously. Would someone just quote where Ms. Clinton requested the action by the lawyer?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
The guy has every right to keep the photo if she posed for it, he just has no right to use it as free advertising.

If he was using it in a flyer I might agree with you. However customer photos are often a tradition in resturants particularly of famous people, just like framing the first dollar owned. In fact some places it is considered an honor to have your mug posted.

I don't think putting a Polaroid of a famous person and the owner in the window rises to "ADVERSITING"



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
Would someone just quote where Ms. Clinton requested the action by the lawyer?

From the letter:

"'Ms. Clinton, a private citizen, was not consulted prior to this picture being displayed, and thus, her permission was not given for you to do so,” the letter read. “While she may have dined at your restaurant, this does not serve as an endorsement.'"



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
“While she may have dined at your restaurant, this does not serve as an endorsement.'"

However I think an arguement could be made that she was aware that photos from other famous patrons where posted since they where visible to her, therefore she was reasonably aware that the same fate awaited the photo that he requested with her.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):

However I think an arguement could be made that she was aware that photos from other famous patrons where posted since they where visible to her, therefore she was reasonably aware that the same fate awaited the photo that he requested with her.

Not necessarily. Now, if he said "hey Chelsea, how 'bout a photo for my wall?" that would make sense.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1320 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
From the letter:

You know what's missing from that excerpt? Any indication that it was actually Ms. Clinton that caused the lawyer to act.

Every indication is that it was President Clinton who invoked the action. Now, do you actually have anything, anything at all that says Ms. Clinton was the one who told the lawyer to act?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
Now, do you actually have anything, anything at all that says Ms. Clinton was the one who told the lawyer to act?

I showed you the line where the lawyer states that Ms. Clinton was the one who didn't grant permission to display the photo. It says nothing about Bill Clinton being the one who had an issue.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

You know, the more play this story gets, the more it looks like a public relations setup by the restaurant to get extra publicity after a customer issued a normal request to have a photograph removed and no longer used as a sales tool.

What was Karl Rove doing last week ?


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
"'Ms. Clinton, a private citizen, was not consulted prior to this picture being displayed, and thus, her permission was not given for you to do so,” the letter read. “While she may have dined at your restaurant, this does not serve as an endorsement.'"

No place in those sentences does it say that Chelsea was requesting the picture be removed. I read it as a third party request that might be on behalf if her but at the same time it never clarifies that she herself made the request.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Not necessarily. Now, if he said "hey Chelsea, how 'bout a photo for my wall?" that would make sense.

Oh come on now. Even your Tulane law degree can put two and two together here.  Wink She dines in a place where celebrities (although she is nowhere near a celebrity) have their pictures on the wall that were taken with the owner, she takes a picture with the owner, and she doesn't want her photo up on the wall?

She's a Stanford grad. She should have been able to do the math that we all have done here. Her picture was going up on that wall as soon as it was developed. He certainly wasn't going to frame it and put it on his nightstand at home. That picture was destined for the wall and there is no way to deny that.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
I showed you the line where the lawyer states that Ms. Clinton was the one who didn't grant permission to display the photo.

It never said that she didn't grant permission. It says she wasn't consulted and makes a leap of faith that she doesn't grant permission. Again, I point to the wall of pictures with other folks with the owner. Her taking the picture at that time was permission to post the picture on the wall.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
It says nothing about Bill Clinton being the one who had an issue.

No it doesn't but since the letter comes from his office, his lawyer, and never uses the words of Chelsea directly it makes you wonder if there is something else going on here.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
I showed you the line where the lawyer states that Ms. Clinton was the one who didn't grant permission to display the photo.

Which is not the same as asking the lawyer to act on it. The lawyer is acting at the request of, or on the behalf of someone. The only person ever mention in that position is President Clinton.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
It says nothing about Bill Clinton being the one who had an issue.

As a matter of fact, I did provide an article that said just that. Reply #6.


25 Post contains links and images ORFflyer : Here are a couple other sources, from several hundred found with our friend GOOGLE that clearly indicate it came from Bill's attorney, at Bill's requ
26 CastleIsland : Gotta love Fox News. From the story posted by the OP: 'Other onlookers had mixed feelings about the verbal scuffle. "I don't see why Bill Clinton is g
27 DeltaGator : Ah yes, bash the messenger because of the Fox name. Not surprising in the least. So they posted the musings of one passerby even though they say in t
28 CastleIsland : Glad I can make you feel secure in my actions. What part of: was unclear to you? They used the plural, not me. Only a few salient ones, or even one s
29 DeltaGator : Source? Example? Proof? I'm just asking for one example of this liberal fascination with FN and how they misrepresent the news. Just one....help me o
30 L-188 : Like Father like daughter? ROFLMAO!!!
31 Post contains images CastleIsland : Tell me that was a "mistake." Just tell me... Damn straight. As a scientist who has personal proof of this administration supressing scientific infor
32 DeltaGator : You know what, I can't tell you that was a mistake. Who knows for sure. My theory is that the guy responsible for the wording probably sscrewed it up
33 CastleIsland : Well, none of us, that's true. I fully expect to be. As an environmental professional (drinking water mostly), I struggle on this issue. For one, it'
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