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Said Goodbye To My Bike. Hello Boat?  
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Sad date today.

I finally sold my bike. ?

Back in 2004 I bought the Yamaha YZF-R1 (after selling my 01 Honda CBR600F4). I still remember how I almost killed myself pulling out of the dealer's parking lot. One moment I was at a stand still, the next I was approaching 100mph! God, what an incredible machine!

Well after I got back from deployment, I took a ride by myself down to Nashville. I was doing well over 100mph on the highway, and I realized how freakin' stupid I was being. That whole "invincible paradox" I was warned about when I came back home. And then with news of twins on the way, I knew it was time to move on from the bike. Riding a super bike at insane speeds was not something a young father ought to be doing.

Sold it to my neighbor today.

SO, since I am going to need some new toy to occupy my time and wallet, I was thinking about about a boat. I considered jet skis, but they'd be impractical for a young family. Yet, I'm great at water skiing and wake boarding... but I know nothing about what makes a "good" boat. I'd like something with power with an inboard-outboard engine, and preferably a bowrider.

Anyone here own a boat, have any good tips/suggestions?

-UH60

[Edited 2007-09-28 10:52:25]

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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Definition :Boat
Noun. A hole in the water, surrounded by either fiberglass or wood, in which you pour money in to.

The best days in the life of a boat owner. The day he/she buys it and the day he/she sells it.

A wise man once said:
"If it Flys, Floats or Fucks. It's cheaper to rent it."

I dunno dude. If you already own a home , cool. If not, save for that.

Maybe buy a muscle car that will appreciate.



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Get a fountain, awsome boat!!



User currently offlineAFC_Ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 1):
A wise man once said:
"If it Flys, Floats or Fucks. It's cheaper to rent it."

Hahaha not only is that funny, there may actually be some truth to that phrase!



Once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward; for there you long to return
User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
I was thinking about about a boat

You joining the Navy?  duck   Wink

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
with an inboard-outboard engine

I dunno. Nowadays, I hear that the reliability of the I/O has fallen farther than Britney Spears' career. I believe that the outboards of today are much better. But I don't own a boat, and am only going on rumors.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 4):
I dunno. Nowadays, I hear that the reliability of the I/O has fallen farther than Britney Spears' career. I believe that the outboards of today are much better. But I don't own a boat, and am only going on rumors.

They are both very reliable now a days, it just depends on how you use your boat as to what option you chose. I have driven boats with both and have never had a problem.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
They are both very reliable now a days, it just depends on how you use your boat as to what option you chose. I have driven boats with both and have never had a problem.

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I remember back in the day, you had to work all week on your outboard so it would run on the weekend....  biggrin 


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 6):
I remember back in the day, you had to work all week on your outboard so it would run on the weekend....

Boats builders use the same logic that plane builders use in that 2 engines is better then one. That is why most sane people, myself included, will never go far out into the ocean with boat that only has one engine.


User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
That is why most sane people, myself included, will never go far out into the ocean with boat that only has one engine.

Unless it's a sail boat!  Wink



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

LOL. Honey, you don't know what you're about to get into with having TWINS.

Basically, you are not going to have time to do much of anything recreational, let alone take the better part of a day to go boating.

As someone suggested earlier, perhaps a muscle car will appease you for a while---at least you can drive it running errands, thus killing two birds with one stone.

Then when the kids are older, a boat might be more practical.


User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 9):
LOL. Honey, you don't know what you're about to get into with having TWINS.

WHAT? TWINS?
Jeezus H. tap dancing Christ!
And you're thinking about a BOAT?
Get a grip man.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 9):
As someone suggested earlier, perhaps a muscle car

Yeah....that guy really knows his stuff.  sarcastic 
Graduate Cum Loud, University of Hard Knocks.
Majored in Fucking Up Administration.
Minor in Damage Control and Recovery Sciences.
 biggrin 
Listen to reason UH60, don't do it!



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 9):
Basically, you are not going to have time to do much of anything recreational, let alone take the better part of a day to go boating.

True, the boat will probably sit most of the time. I am with 767lover, get a sports car with 4 seats even though even the fastest car will seem slow compared to a crotch rocket. Luckily I am still single.  Smile.






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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Riding a super bike at insane speeds was not something a young father ought to be doing.

 checkmark  That's exactly the same thing that happened to my motorcycle 15 years ago. I traded it for (of all things) a ham radio a friend had.


User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

The Good -- Boating is very enjoyable

The Bad -- It's very expensive.

The Ugly -- It can be very very expensive.

A "day out" can cost you an entire 20 - 30 gallon tank and depending on where you boat, you get raped with higher gas prices than you pay on the street, unless you're able to tank up and carry it down to the dock ... then you're making 3 or 4 trips up and down the piers and to the gas station to fill up the little red cans.

Then on top of it, there's the maintenance. Boats aren't easy to fix and they can be damaged by all kinds of stuff ... hit something under the water and only having to replace a $125 - $250 prop ... consider yourself lucky. Driving a boat isn't driving a car ... each boat handles differently in the winds and if you don't know how to veer into the wind when you're docking and flip it back to the middle at the last minute, you've got hull damage. Wintering a boat can cost up to several hundred dollars as well.

There's all kinds of bowriders out there. But for young children, the Mastercrafts and the Regals are almost impractical. Unless you're leaving them behind and just have a need for speed, then you're good to go. A good transitional boat that works between the "two" styles of going fast and going slow is more along the lines of a deck boat ... plenty of room and accessories for a family and if you need the speed factor ... it's there. My family has a a few boats. With the Hurricane, we've had plenty of enjoyment and use out of it going slow and fast as hell, but like I said, at 300 horsepower, it sucks down the gas, even when going in slower speeds. Hella storage space and you can get up to about 14 people in it. The Hurricane can be problematic in slow speeds especially with wind involved, because the weight of the engine in the back. The wind can really screw you over when docking as I mentioned earlier and thus it definitely takes practice ... and should only really be driven by someone that knows what they're doing ... same concept when going in reverse and pulling out of peers ... turn to the right to position yourself heading left and more often than not you'll find yourself stuck going in a 45 degree angle towards the right and unable to get out of it no matter how much you turn the wheel in the other direction or slow up or slow down. It's not a boat to be owning if you've got limited maneuvering space for docking.

The Mastercraft just isn't practical to have or take out if you aren't going to be flying across the water like a bat out of hell and you aren't doing any type of water sports ... but you can only get about 4 people or so in there comfortable, storage space is limited. The Mastercraft doesn't require as much carefulness as the Hurricane when it comes to maintenance concerns, *but* if you take out the prop, you can cause a nice deal of damage with the engine if you managed to damage the prop shaft ... and you can also take out the rudder, too, since the rudders are separate, causing damage to the steering system in addition to just having to buy a new rudder. Hitting something on the underside outside of any type of hull damage can set you back probably $1000 easily on that. The Mastercraft's weight is basically in the back of the boat, right behind the driver, and the boat turns around that, it's not as problematic as the other boats in that the wind doesn't affect it as much, but you have to learn to steer with the center of the engine as the focal turning point and the front of the boat working around it.

The Pontoon, of course, goes slower, it's more for recreational enjoyment only, gets much *much* better gas mileage, and has a good amount of storage space ... but nothing like the Hurricane. The maintenance costs on it are pretty minimal compared to the others. They're also more user/driver friendly ... they handle better at slow speeds and respond to the controls when it comes to pulling in and out of dock areas, particularly tighter docking areas ... *but* they are also affected by the winds. Pontoons overall have a longer lasting life ... they also age better. They're just slower and it's often times harder to use them for fishing and whatever. But they do make good party decks ... we've had up to 22 people on our pontoon before.



Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 12):
That's exactly the same thing that happened to my motorcycle 15 years ago. I traded it for (of all things) a ham radio a friend had.

That reminds me of....
" You traded the Caddy for a microphone?"


"OK.....I can see that. "



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 13):

Damn, Gavin! Sounds like you really know your boats! That makes me want to go get one now that I know so much about it!

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 14):
"OK.....I can see that. "

It seemed like a good trade at the time. Yeah, kinda like the movie!


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Maclaren Twin check out those racing harnesses !


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 15):
Damn, Gavin! Sounds like you really know your boats! That makes me want to go get one now that I know so much about it!

hey ... I have my butch moments.

I'm surprised you don't have one. Get an older one and you can cover it up and use it for duck hunting. All you need's an old flat bottom and slap an old 20 horsepower outboard on it with maybe a trolling motor and you're good to go.



Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

Anyone here own a boat, have any good tips/suggestions?

Right now is a good time to start shopping with fall coming. Hit up some of the places around Old Hickory and Priest.. you find find a good deal. I know a guy that bought a Triton Bass Boat up near you for a steal. Right place-Right time



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 17):
I'm surprised you don't have one. Get an older one and you can cover it up and use it for duck hunting. All you need's an old flat bottom and slap an old 20 horsepower outboard on it with maybe a trolling motor and you're good to go.

Sounds a little too redneck for me.  Wink

The only problem is from where I live it's 250 miles to the nearest pond where you could float a boat. At least I can go 25 miles to the Monahans or Kermit Sand Hills and use a surf board.

Seriously though, I've thought about getting a boat lately, too. And it would probably be a small, slow one with a flat bottom and a 20 hp motor and a trolling motor.


User currently offlineHuskyAviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

I love boats, but they are unending money pits. Growing up, my grandfather had a 1987 Silverton 34-footer that we would take out on Barnegat Bay in New Jersey. A bigger boat than maybe you're considering, but boats are never boring, and sometimes not in a good way.

The anchor once got hooked on an underwater buoy cable. We couldn't get it off (the buoy line was so taut it could take off your finger easily) so we had to cut the anchor. That was several thousand dollars to get that replaced.

The steering line once snapped, and we had to come in by steering with just the engines during a big thunderstorm, which wasn't easy to do because the boat was docked in a narrow lagoon. My dad took a dive into the lagoon trying to jump onto the dock to get the boat moored. That was expensive to fix (the boat, not my dad).

Both propellers got bent when we hit a submerged log in the bay. That was a LOT of money.

One of the engines went out in the bay, and we had to come in on one engine. I don't remember what was wrong with it, but I remember my grandfather being extremely pissed about getting that repaired.

Other things happened too. It's always something with a boat. Always. LOL.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9301 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 20):
Both propellers got bent when we hit a submerged log in the bay. That was a LOT of money

When you damage a prop you're hella lucky if you don't damage the engine along with it. And if you get a blade that's slightly bent/damaged, that can wear and tear over time and lead to prop and/or extensive engine damage, in addition to lost fuel cost. If you're out and about and you hit something and you can feel the "ripple" effect from a damaged prop, your next stop better be the marina, asap.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 20):
I don't remember what was wrong with it, but I remember my grandfather being extremely pissed about getting that repaired.

A lot of times with boats, you're pretty much stuck along side the dock until the repairman can come to *you* which right there adds a nice chunk of change on top of any service call.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 20):
It's always something with a boat. Always

Mm-hmm. And it only takes just a second or two. This year my family went through just a total of 2 propeller replacements, which we consider almost a damn good year. However, the big doozy, yours truly got caught in a hella wind that came up upon me when I was turning by a bridge and managed to snag the bimini top on an overhang on the Hurricane ... bent it up nicely on the right side, but it'll be a nice $795 to have replaced when we have it winterized.



Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Anyone here own a boat, have any good tips/suggestions?

BOAT = Bring On Another Thousand.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 9):
LOL. Honey, you don't know what you're about to get into with having TWINS.

Basically, you are not going to have time to do much of anything recreational, let alone take the better part of a day to go boating.



Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 10):
WHAT? TWINS?
Jeezus H. tap dancing Christ!
And you're thinking about a BOAT?
Get a grip man.

Guys well said; sounds like some one doesn't have a clue what he getting into, oh yes, the wife will be excited that you spent money on a boat, on deployment when the twins come, in short buy a boat and you'll find yourself in the dog house..the last thing you need right now is more toys.


User currently offlineDCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
new toy to occupy my time and wallet, I was thinking about about a boat.

It will occupy a lot more of your wallet than time. I promise.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Anyone here own a boat, have any good tips/suggestions?

Yes, I have a 19' Bluewater that's setup for wake boarding (tower, fat sacks, speakers, etc). I'm seriously considering selling it this next summer because the cost of ownership is very high. Between storage fees (I don't use it from September though April and it sits in a nice shed), the price of gas, maintenance (I have never had service performed on my boat that did not cost under $500), licensing, insurance, and general upkeep of my boat, I am not sure it is worth all the money I thought it would be. Also, don't forget to that by 2009 (I think?) you will need to be certified to be the operator of a vessel. You can get that certification by signing up for and attending an 8 hour class (usually on a Saturday) with your local division of the United States Power Squadron: "..its proctored examination meets the requirements of National Association of State Boating Law Administrators (NASBLA) so that you can get your safety certificate in those states that require one to operate a power driven vessel." For more information, visit USPS Educational Department - Public Boating Education Programs.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 1):
The best days in the life of a boat owner. The day he/she buys it and the day he/she sells it.

I truly believe that. I heard a way to determine if you will like being a boat owner: get dressed in your boating attire, put on a yellow rain jacket, grab a wad of $100's, go in the shower, turn it on cold, and throw the hundreds while smiling. If you enjoy it, you will love boating.  Wink

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 4):
Nowadays, I hear that the reliability of the I/O has fallen farther than Britney Spears' career. I believe that the outboards of today are much better. But I don't own a boat, and am only going on rumors.

I would not believe those rumors if I were you..

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
They are both very reliable now a days, it just depends on how you use your boat as to what option you chose. I have driven boats with both and have never had a problem.

 checkmark 

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 13):
Wintering a boat can cost up to several hundred dollars as well.

::sigh::
Yes, it's true. More money into that money pit they call a boat.. and if you are doing it yourself, you better know what you are doing or else it can take a TON of time. Changing fluids in a boat is not like doing it in a car, airplane, or motorcycle. Some fluids require a pump just to put them in so there are no bubbles!

Anyways, if you are going to get a boat, beware of all the hidden costs. They are a joy to use (when functioning correctly), but for the limited number of hours you use one per year, the costs are extremely high. I am not trying to discourage you from boating, but you do need to see the other side of it besides the fun.



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25 Airfoilsguy : Oh, by the way, I was joking about the Fountain, they are great boats but think about this, the last time I went out on a Fountain we spent about $30
26 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : According to your profile and what you've posted in the past, your wife's expecting twins and you are scheduled to be redeployed this November... is
27 LAXspotter : Man, you make me want to get a bike.
28 Post contains images Sprout5199 : Screw getting a boat. Save the money and use it to hire a babysitter every week so you and Mrs UH60 can have some time by yourselves without the kids(
29 Post contains images AGM100 : Hey I have one of those ,, works great by the way !! Little under powered though !
30 STLGph : It's like thinking about putting in a pool, give your neighbor a $1,000 a year and talk them into letting you use it with them.
31 Post contains images FXramper : When my folks got married my Mom made my Dad sell both his bikes - a Harley and a Honda. Bayliner 19' Reliable, easy maintenance, relatively cheap to
32 Post contains links BristolFlyer : If you want a runabout for the family and want to do a bit of wakeboarding then an I/O would be best. Reliability is tyhe same across all types of boa
33 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Agh, I hadn't thought of that! lol! Yeah I considered that too. Basically I just want a toy. I loved my bike, and I have some really great memories w
34 Post contains links and images Springbok747 : Maybe you need to get something like this:
35 STLGph : You'll eventually get your boat, and you will learn as it comes with time, that these "things" happen. However, just wait until it's July 2nd, you go
36 Bill142 : Ask Jafa39, he's in Auckland where there are more boats then people.
37 BristolFlyer : Boating is a great family past time. However if you just want to go wakeboarding and not have the headache/expense of boat ownership there are a lot
38 Sprout5199 : Bite me. Guess you didn't score high enough on the asvabs(do they even have it still?) to join the NAVY. Hmmm, how can I put this, first time you rea
39 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : I would consider one of these: You can park it in your garage. One day upgrade also:
40 Post contains images Sprout5199 : Or this: Dan in Jupiter
41 LOT767-300ER : Good point. Whenever someone asks me if I had one thing I could drive in for the rest of my life my answer is always a hovercraft. Imagine you dont n
42 Sprout5199 : My answer is always Shania Twain, but thats just me. Dan in Jupiter
43 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : How about getting a track car, and racing it on weekends. You can join your local SCCA chapter (sports car club of America) and club race at your loca
44 Post contains links MCOflyer : Yes I have owned three in the past 4 years. My first one cost was a row boat and was not a money pit. Flats skiff was and I could go out all day on 6
45 Post contains images BCNGRO : What about this: The convertible Aquada Sports Amphibian. Starting at only $300,000.
46 Post contains links and images MCOflyer : Buy one of these. You tow the family on a inner tuber or go out with your wife. Hunter
47 Post contains images PPVRA : Bests thing is to wait for a local Boat Show (or fly to a nearby one) and check what's available. In the mean time, if a jet-ski doesn't work, perhaps
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