Farcry From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Good innit LHRjc. I'm fagged if I know their logic. We have hands free phones, why not hands free driving
More cASH for the government. This along with a £50-£80 fine for dropping a dog end. But, it appears to be OK to drop your polystyrene containers, cans, chip paper etc. anywhere. Oh well! Time for another rolly. Cough, cough
The UK government... Driving up the price of smoking.
Farcry From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3): You're expecting LOGIC from this government... come on!!!! God forbid you taking your hands off the wheel to change radio stations, or open a window... That's probably a hangable offense.
I wonder how many accidents are genuinely caused by cigarette related incidents rather than just blatant stupidity where the offending driver just happened to have a cigarette on the go.
Oh, and I'm not even a smoker by the way
Wow LHRjc. A none smoker that can appreciate this great step forward in accident prevention. Excellent!.
There again, I can see the guv's logic. Smoking must be at the top of the list when it comes to one of the major causes of accidents. Along side of ...
Drunk (I really want to say passed (I can't spell either) drivers)), junkies, map - newspaper readers. Cosmetic make-overs artists using the internal mirror. Chatting on the (none hands-free phone). Turning to check the kids are OK in the backseat (a really, really stupid move) and last but not least... The total idiots that drive everyday at 70+mph whilst their brains are doing 20. Now where's me dog end? Damn! I left it on my bicycle saddle (and it's raining)
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9819 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2043 times:
I'm surprised we haven't heard more about this in the states yet. There's so much bickering about no smoking in public, and no use of cell phones while driving ... surprised someone didn't get the bright idea, cross the two, and ran down the ballot box with it.
if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
If you're lighting up with one hand and have a fag in the other hand then obviously you've not got any hands on the wheel.
Eh? Don't most normal people have the cigarette in their mouth whilst they light it with one hand? How do you need 2 hands to light a cigarette?
That's exactly what I thought when I read it. The guy is an idiot.
Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3): wonder how many accidents are genuinely caused by cigarette related incidents rather than just blatant stupidity where the offending driver just happened to have a cigarette on the go.
Agreed. If someone is driving without due care and attention, nick them, whether they're smoking or not. Attempting to ban smoking while driving is about as logical as banning people from banks because a few people rob banks.
I've said this before but I drive an automatic with some voice-activated controls. When I light a cigarette I have one hand off the wheel for less time than many have one hand on the gear lever. I don't take my eyes off the road any longer than I do to glance at the speedometer. I don't light up near a junction or where there are people who might wander into the road or when there's another vehicle too close.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13765 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
Interesting title, got my attention.
In the UK, they have much stricter rules as to distracted driving. You should see what people do here in the USA while driving that would already get you a ticket from the local constable in the UK - putting on makeup, drinking coffee or soda, eating, using their nav systems, changing the radio/sound system, talking to other pax, singing along with the music, driving half-asleep and so on, oh and of course, smoking.
What about using those Navigation systems? To me they are a big distraction in use or setting them up. Also, on some cars, the sound systems and climate controls can be difficult to use without being distracted as have to look at them. For many still smoking due to laws that prevent most smoking indoors, their car is the last indoor place they may be able to smoke. Now they may lose that. Probably one difference is that in the USA 95% of cars and light trucks have automatic transmissions vs. less that 30% of UK cars.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1879 times:
On a similar note I recently bought a 2004 Ford Mustang and just the other day I noticed that there are no ashtrays in the car, there also arn't any lighters. Is this a new trend, are ashtrays now optional equipment? I don't smoke but still use the ashtrays in my other cars as coin holders.
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1818 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 10): On a similar note I recently bought a 2004 Ford Mustang and just the other day I noticed that there are no ashtrays in the car, there also arn't any lighters. Is this a new trend, are ashtrays now optional equipment? I don't smoke but still use the ashtrays in my other cars as coin holders.
Looks like it. I think its a good idea though. The new cars we have (even the new Jeep Wrangler..built in the US) don't have cigarette lighters or ashtrays...they have a 12V socket instead. I guess its a way to discourage people from smoking in cars. Also, the state government here introduced a new law - people cannot smoke inside vehicles with kids (under 13), If they get caught they'll face a hefty fine.
LAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1763 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8): soda, eating, using their nav systems, changing the radio/sound system, talking to other pax, singing along with the music, driving half-asleep and so on, oh and of course, smoking.
shaving, getting their "freak on", watching handheld TV or phone videos, this list pisses me off.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
BananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1616 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 9): And quite rightly so. However, this argument and new law is absolute bollocks.
As I understand it, there is no new law. This is simply guidance. I think that the government have just added this to the Highway Code as another thing which could mean you are not in proper control of your vehicle, and therefore risk prosecution under existing laws.
Remember that woman who was prosecuted for eating her Kit-Kat whilst driving? It wasn't a charge of "eating behind the wheel" but driving without due care. Due to the media pressure following it, I think the charges were dropped.
IMHO, I think it's about time that this was in the Highway Code - gotta wonder that if you accidentally dropped your cigarette between your legs whilst driving, I would have to wonder where the drivers concentration would go. If this flags the possible conflict between concentrating on a lit cigarette and the road, then I'm all for it.
All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
MIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 3009 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
So glad I don't live there anymore... I am not a smoker (I hate it BTW) but some of the stuff the government comes up with over there... geez... you can't do this, you can't do that, there's a fine for that, pay tax for this, that's against health and safety laws....
Mhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
To be fair to the government and police force, I don't think this move is to outlaw smoking behind the wheel - it is to eliminate dangerous driving. If you are smoking and driving safely, I highly doubt you would even be noticed. If you are smoking and wandering across lanes or causing a hazard, then you may get pulled over in the same way that any driver doing the same could expect to be!
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