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New UK Traffic Law Targets Smokers.  
User currently offlineFarcry From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Another wonderful move in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7017543.stm

Beware if you smoke in your own home. If anyone knocks on your door and you answer, you may be charged with aggravated smoke inhalation by the caller. Puff! NUTS!

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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quote:

If you're lighting up with one hand and have a fag in the other hand then obviously you've not got any hands on the wheel.

Eh? Don't most normal people have the cigarette in their mouth whilst they light it with one hand? How do you need 2 hands to light a cigarette?



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User currently offlineFarcry From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Good innit LHRjc. I'm fagged if I know their logic. We have hands free phones, why not hands free driving Big grin

More cASH for the government. This along with a £50-£80 fine for dropping a dog end. But, it appears to be OK to drop your polystyrene containers, cans, chip paper etc. anywhere. Oh well! Time for another rolly. Cough, cough  bigthumbsup 

The UK government... Driving up the price of smoking.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting Farcry (Reply 2):
I'm fagged if I know their logic

You're expecting LOGIC from this government... come on!!!! God forbid you taking your hands off the wheel to change radio stations, or open a window... That's probably a hangable offense.

I wonder how many accidents are genuinely caused by cigarette related incidents rather than just blatant stupidity where the offending driver just happened to have a cigarette on the go.

Oh, and I'm not even a smoker by the way  Smile



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User currently offlineFarcry From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
You're expecting LOGIC from this government... come on!!!! God forbid you taking your hands off the wheel to change radio stations, or open a window... That's probably a hangable offense.

I wonder how many accidents are genuinely caused by cigarette related incidents rather than just blatant stupidity where the offending driver just happened to have a cigarette on the go.

Oh, and I'm not even a smoker by the way

Wow LHRjc. A none smoker that can appreciate this great step forward in accident prevention. Excellent!.

There again, I can see the guv's logic. Smoking must be at the top of the list when it comes to one of the major causes of accidents. Along side of ...

Drunk (I really want to say passed (I can't spell either) drivers)), junkies, map - newspaper readers. Cosmetic make-overs artists using the internal mirror. Chatting on the (none hands-free phone). Turning to check the kids are OK in the backseat (a really, really stupid move) and last but not least... The total idiots that drive everyday at 70+mph whilst their brains are doing 20. Now where's me dog end? Damn! I left it on my bicycle saddle (and it's raining) grumpy 


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9521 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

I'm surprised we haven't heard more about this in the states yet. There's so much bickering about no smoking in public, and no use of cell phones while driving ... surprised someone didn't get the bright idea, cross the two, and ran down the ballot box with it.


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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9546 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting Farcry (Reply 2):
I'm fagged if I know their logic

Careful - there are Americans reading this.  biggrin 

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
Quote:

If you're lighting up with one hand and have a fag in the other hand then obviously you've not got any hands on the wheel.

Eh? Don't most normal people have the cigarette in their mouth whilst they light it with one hand? How do you need 2 hands to light a cigarette?

 checkmark  That's exactly what I thought when I read it. The guy is an idiot.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
wonder how many accidents are genuinely caused by cigarette related incidents rather than just blatant stupidity where the offending driver just happened to have a cigarette on the go.

Agreed. If someone is driving without due care and attention, nick them, whether they're smoking or not. Attempting to ban smoking while driving is about as logical as banning people from banks because a few people rob banks.

I've said this before but I drive an automatic with some voice-activated controls. When I light a cigarette I have one hand off the wheel for less time than many have one hand on the gear lever. I don't take my eyes off the road any longer than I do to glance at the speedometer. I don't light up near a junction or where there are people who might wander into the road or when there's another vehicle too close.

I'm going out in my car now. I shall be smoking.  Smile


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Jeez.. I hate smoking as much as anyone but if people want to do it in their own car- LET THEM!

The reasons for our revolution become more clear all the time. We may be slowly giving up larger freedoms, but at least we can still slowly give ourselves lung cancer if we want.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13209 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Interesting title, got my attention.
In the UK, they have much stricter rules as to distracted driving. You should see what people do here in the USA while driving that would already get you a ticket from the local constable in the UK - putting on makeup, drinking coffee or soda, eating, using their nav systems, changing the radio/sound system, talking to other pax, singing along with the music, driving half-asleep and so on, oh and of course, smoking.
What about using those Navigation systems? To me they are a big distraction in use or setting them up. Also, on some cars, the sound systems and climate controls can be difficult to use without being distracted as have to look at them. For many still smoking due to laws that prevent most smoking indoors, their car is the last indoor place they may be able to smoke. Now they may lose that. Probably one difference is that in the USA 95% of cars and light trucks have automatic transmissions vs. less that 30% of UK cars.


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting Farcry (Reply 2):
The UK government... Driving up the price of smoking.

And quite rightly so. However, this argument and new law is absolute bollocks.

Unless it directly affects the safety of other road users, its the drivers choice whether they choose to smoke in their cars.

Alex


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

On a similar note I recently bought a 2004 Ford Mustang and just the other day I noticed that there are no ashtrays in the car, there also arn't any lighters. Is this a new trend, are ashtrays now optional equipment? I don't smoke but still use the ashtrays in my other cars as coin holders.

User currently offlineEaglekeeper101 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 272 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
Quoting Farcry (Reply 2):
I'm fagged if I know their logic

Careful - there are Americans reading this.

No worries - I speak fluent English as well as American  Wink



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 10):
On a similar note I recently bought a 2004 Ford Mustang and just the other day I noticed that there are no ashtrays in the car, there also arn't any lighters. Is this a new trend, are ashtrays now optional equipment? I don't smoke but still use the ashtrays in my other cars as coin holders.

Looks like it. I think its a good idea though. The new cars we have (even the new Jeep Wrangler..built in the US) don't have cigarette lighters or ashtrays...they have a 12V socket instead. I guess its a way to discourage people from smoking in cars. Also, the state government here introduced a new law - people cannot smoke inside vehicles with kids (under 13), If they get caught they'll face a hefty fine.



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User currently offlineColeplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

The bigger question is where will infringements on our liberties end? Give 'em and inch, and they will take a mile. Guaranteed. Are you OK with that?


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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
soda, eating, using their nav systems, changing the radio/sound system, talking to other pax, singing along with the music, driving half-asleep and so on, oh and of course, smoking.

shaving, getting their "freak on", watching handheld TV or phone videos, this list pisses me off.



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User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 9):
And quite rightly so. However, this argument and new law is absolute bollocks.

As I understand it, there is no new law. This is simply guidance. I think that the government have just added this to the Highway Code as another thing which could mean you are not in proper control of your vehicle, and therefore risk prosecution under existing laws.


Remember that woman who was prosecuted for eating her Kit-Kat whilst driving? It wasn't a charge of "eating behind the wheel" but driving without due care. Due to the media pressure following it, I think the charges were dropped.

IMHO, I think it's about time that this was in the Highway Code - gotta wonder that if you accidentally dropped your cigarette between your legs whilst driving, I would have to wonder where the drivers concentration would go. If this flags the possible conflict between concentrating on a lit cigarette and the road, then I'm all for it.


Mark



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User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

The UK is quickly catching up with Singapore with banning everything in their power. I feel sorry for all our UK buddies out there.

User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

So glad I don't live there anymore... I am not a smoker (I hate it BTW) but some of the stuff the government comes up with over there... geez... you can't do this, you can't do that, there's a fine for that, pay tax for this, that's against health and safety laws....

MIAspotter

[Edited 2007-09-30 01:50:45]


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User currently offlineTuRbUleNc3 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

First they ban it in public areas, then they are on about banning it outside the pubs and clubs, now its in your own car. Totally stupid. Whatever next?

User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 18):
First they ban it in public areas, then they are on about banning it outside the pubs and clubs, now its in your own car. Totally stupid. Whatever next?

It has not been banned. It is guidance that has been issued under existing laws. They have said that there are no plans to make smoking at the wheel illegal.

Mark



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

To be fair to the government and police force, I don't think this move is to outlaw smoking behind the wheel - it is to eliminate dangerous driving. If you are smoking and driving safely, I highly doubt you would even be noticed. If you are smoking and wandering across lanes or causing a hazard, then you may get pulled over in the same way that any driver doing the same could expect to be!


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8978 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 18):
Whatever next?

Here's an oldie:

Quote:
World famous pie-eating contest falls victim to healthy diet lobby


Like cheese rolling and greased-pig chasing, it was once a popular attraction at village fetes the length and breadth of Britain.

But now an old fashioned pie-eating contest has become the latest casualty in the campaign for healthy eating.

Organisers of an annual pie-eating competition have been forced to change the rules of their splendidly messy contest.

Traditionally first prize has always gone to the contestant who could munch their way through the most meat and potato pies in three minutes.

But now the title of World Pie Eating Champion will be awarded to the person who can eat a single pie in the shortest time.

The move to cut the calorific intake of competitors has been made in response to the Government drive to cut obesity and promote healthy eating.

And in another break with tradition, the field will also be open to vegetarians who will eat their own non-meat pie.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=417991&in_page_id=1770



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User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

I did hear about a case where a guy tossed one out the window and was fined for littering, even though it got sucked up back in the window and started a fire.

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