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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/immigrant.money/index.html

I'm no fan of anyone breaking the law but this just seems wrong. The guy works 11 years busting his ass. Saves $59,000 and because he didn't file a form, the government is going to crucify him.

Hardworking people like this who take personal responsibility for their financial future is exactly the type of people we need in this country.

It seems to me that someone within the Justice Department needs to get their head out of their ass and do the right thing here.

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Zapeta admits he never paid taxes.

Wonder why this comment is in the article? At his salary he wouldn't have to pay income tax although he would still owe Social Security and Medicare payments.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Saves $59,000 and because he didn't file a form, the government is going to crucify him.

Just fine him and move on, this is one of the problems with asset forfeiture laws, take the money now, and put the burden of proving your innocent of any wrong doing in earning the money on you.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Hmm, where to start.

He says

Quote:
"They are treating me like a criminal when all I am is a working man,"

Well man, you are a criminal...as stated at the very start...

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an illegal immigrant from Guatemala

You're an illegal immigrant. I say good for immigration catching this and taking the money. It was earned illegally and needs to be taken, and his employers fined.

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Zapeta admits he never paid taxes.

Again, more illegal activity. He wonders why we treat him like a criminal. Lets just send him home empty handed and be done with it.

These people sending him money need to realize they are just helping out illegal immigrants.

Quote:
"I no longer feel good about this country."

Good, Uncle Sam doesn't feel good about having undocumented workers not paying taxes in his country. Go home, go through proper channels and come here legally. Then we'll talk.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
The guy works 11 years busting his ass. Saves $59,000 and because he didn't file a form, the government is going to crucify him.

He also forgot that immigration form...


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Pope supports illegal immigration! rotfl 

 Wink


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
He also forgot that immigration form...

Absolutely. But the punishment isn't because of that act.

I believe it's US DOJ policy not to criminally prosecute people for being here illegally. The punishment is civil deportation.


User currently offlineHuskyAviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Tough situation...I feel bad for the guy because all of that money was the product of hard work, but he is here illegally and never paid a dime in taxes. The IRS should take its share of the back taxes on the $59,000, plus tax the donated money, charge him whatever fines go along with the failure to pay tax, and let the guy go home with what he's got left. At least Uncle Sam gets what is owed and the dude doesn't go home empty-handed--the guy can document that the money is not a product of unlawful activity like drugs.

As an aside, the guy's been here for 11 years and speaks *no* English? You have to try hard to not pick up the language after 11 years.


Edit: typo

[Edited 2007-09-28 19:08:21]

User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Quoting Pope (Thread starter):The guy works 11 years busting his ass. Saves $59,000 and because he didn't file a form, the government is going to crucify him.
He also forgot that immigration form...

Not ot mention he's been here 11 years and still can't speak English.

Keep his money, and send him home. He can come back legally if he wants to continue working here.

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Hardworking people like this who take personal responsibility for their financial future is exactly the type of people we need in this country.

But he didn't take his personal responsibility far enough. To do it all legally.


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 6):
As an aside, the guy's been here for 11 years and speaks *no* English? You have to try hard to not pick up the language after 11 years.

Sorry for my nerdy chiming in here, but it's actually quite common for immigrants, especially illegal ones, not to pick up the language of their host country for years. When you're illegal, you tend to stick to your own community, watch TV in your language, do your shopping at a convenience store where the staff speak your language. I used to make a good living tutoring immigrants in Brussels who'd been here for 20 years and knew only a handful of words. Sad, but true.



User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting Toast (Reply 8):

Same here in NL. The other day I was 'talking' with a Turkish woman who has been living here for twenty-six years (26) and who hardly speaks a word of Dutch. Disgraceful, and I said so too. Her husband works all hours and she picks up child benefit for five children. Admittedly Turkish and Dutch are linguistically further apart than Spanish and English, but come on ... 26 years!

Robert



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 6):
The IRS should take its share of the back taxes on the $59,000,

What makes you think that he owes income tax? At his income level, he could have been below the amount that he would have to file, then again with earn income credit, maybe the Feds actually owes him $$$$.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 6):
the dude doesn't go home empty-handed--the guy can document that the money is not a product of unlawful activity like drugs.

Part of the law that I don't like, why doesn't this guy have to prove it wasn't from illegal activity, it should be on the government to prove that it was.

Quoting Pope (Reply 5):
I believe it's US DOJ policy not to criminally prosecute people for being here illegally. The punishment is civil deportation.

Only time they are prosecute when they become repeat offenders.

Quoting Toast (Reply 8):
but it's actually quite common for immigrants, especially illegal ones, not to pick up the language of their host country for years. When you're illegal, you tend to stick to your own community, watch TV in your language, do your shopping at a convenience store where the staff speak your language.

Very true, is also true of older immigrants; see the ads in Spanish, Korean etc.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
You're an illegal immigrant. I say good for immigration catching this and taking the money. It was earned illegally and needs to be taken, and his employers fined.

And why don't we go one step further and fine the companies like Wal-Mart, Best Buy that sell items to illegals. Remember when they purchase something at the store THEY ARE PAYING TAXES. Can you imagine what would happen to the state budgets of California, Arizona, Texas and Florida if the illegals were all gone, and the sales tax collected dropped by 20%?


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
But he didn't take his personal responsibility far enough. To do it all legally.

In no way am I denying that. But I think the punishment should fit the crime. I think this guy should be deported but it seems grossly disproportionate to take $59,000 from him when thousands of illegals are caught and given nothing more (if anything) than a slap on the wrist.


User currently offlineHuskyAviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
What makes you think that he owes income tax? At his income level, he could have been below the amount that he would have to file, then again with earn income credit, maybe the Feds actually owes him $$$$.

Nope. According to the IRS, to qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit, you need to have a valid Social Security number, and be under the income thresholds. Since this guy doesn't have a SS number, and probably earned above the single taxpayer with no qualifying children threshold ($12,120 for 2006), it is highly doubtful that he would be eligible for that. He owes.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
Part of the law that I don't like, why doesn't this guy have to prove it wasn't from illegal activity, it should be on the government to prove that it was.

I'm just guessing, but when you try to take $59,000 out of the country without declaring it, in violation of US law, that probably creates a rebuttable presumption that the money comes from illegal sources or is being used for illegal purposes.


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