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Should I Upgrade From WinXP To WinVista?  
User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thank You.

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3359 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

No!!!!

Not until SP1 comes out.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

I just installed Vista in a separate partition on a Thinkpad T30 with 1 gig of ram and can't figure out what all the angst is about. It is working excellent with the included drivers, no conflicts yet and is decidedly faster than XP on the same comp. That said, it isn't offering me anything I really need as this comp won't handle the graphic upgrades.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Just brought a new computer that came with Windows Vista, sure is a noticeable improvement over 'XP.

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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1926 times:
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Yes.
But why?
Its a lot easier to use, it runs a lot smoother and it is a lot safer.
People will knock Vista fast, saying "It doesnt run xxxxx", well, I adopted Vista 5 days before its official launch and it worked with all but one of my games then. I now have both Home Premium and Ultimate editions now, and they both seem great.
The most important thing however is to consider your current hardware.
You'll need at least 1GB of ram (more is better, 2GB runs best)
A good processor, such as a Pentium 4 (3ghz +), or an AMD athlon 64 3400+
A decent graphics card (nvidia 6 series, or ati X1500 or higher)
Make sure you have the above specs. and you are willing to spend a small amount of time refamilirising yourself with the new layout, and you will be fine.
Feel free to PM me if you do want more information, Im happy to help.

Kev.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

If you've got a relatively new up-to-date gaming PC and playing the newest games is a priority for you, Vista will be required for a growing number of them.

If your PC is somewhat long in the tooth already and is to be replaced in the foreseeable future, it looks a bit differently.

In that case a Mac or MacBook can be the better option for you. It all depends on what you're using the computer for, but there are relatively few uses where PCs are actually the better choice nowadays.

From experience, people have very little difficulty getting used to MacOS X and the only remorse is usually that they didn't do it earlier. Apple hardware is generally solidly designed and built and well-equipped, but it really shines through the operating systems and the applications.

Current Macs can run Windows XP or Vista as well, so you can move your existing setup over without having to switch it all over to the respective Mac equivalents all in one go. There are even utilities that let you move your exact system setup into a virtual environment on the Mac without even having to re-install everything.

One thing that anybody under Windows should be aware of is that the move to Vista will not be the last painful transition: Vista is still split into separate and widely incompatible versions for 32 bit and 64 bit - they will ultimately abandon the 32 bit version which is still largely compatible with XP and force users to make that cut again.

By contrast, Apple is right now introducing the new MacOS X 10.5 Leopard - which comes in just one full-featured version (no crippled low-grade versions available) which is already 64 bit but still supports the existing 32 bit infrastructure, drivers and applications alike.

Especially compared with the still-looming Windows transition with its painful incompatibilities and driver issues it will be low-impact and rather painless while still providing the full capabilities of 64 bit (even the soon superseded MacOS X 10.4 Tiger is already 64 bit on the lower levels).

It's of course entirely up to you, but most people who really know both systems well usually go for a Mac when they have a choice, which should at least make you a little curious to have a good look and then decide well-informed.


User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting VarigB707 (Thread starter):

If you have a stable XP installation, I would keep it. If you would like to try Vista, you can install it on a separate partition / hard drive. That way, you can try Vista, but still have your good XP installation as backup, in case something won't work under Vista, or you don't like it.

I have just gotten a new PC (Core 2 Duo E6750, ASUS P5K-E board, 2 GB DDR2-800 RAM), and installed XP first. I will get Vista in a few days and install it as second OS.

I guess most drivers will work fine under Vista, and most known security issues have been patched. (Not that I wouldn't bet my ass that there are thousands yet to be discovered, at least we speak about a Microsoft product Big grin ).

And I would not say that you definitely have to wait for SP1. Usually, most patches and fixes included in a service pack have been issued as single updates before already. So if you keep your Windows updated on a regular basis (which is heavily recommended), service packs are not that important. They come handy when you freshly install the OS later on. Then you have to install only 1 service pack, instead of 999 single updates.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):

Lol Klaus. I'm a happy Mac user, just like you, but reading all your adverts is funny. No offense, just funny.  Smile


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 7):
I'm a happy Mac user, just like you, but reading all your adverts is funny. No offense, just funny.

Supporting users becomes a habit after a while.

It's simply information. Most Windows users stick with it mainly because they think they didn't have another choice. Which is sad - and fortunately not true.


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1850 times:

Speaking of Vista SP1...I have read that it is due sometime here shortly (autumn of 2007). Not sure how true it is, or if it has been postponed...

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1839 times:

I just don't understand the "problems" people have with PCs. I, for one, have never had any. One Compaq laptop, one Dell notebook and 2 Dell desktops later, and nothing. What I find is that people screw things up to the degree that they can't fix them, and allow a salesman at Best Buy to convince them that buying the newest $350 wonder is more of a benefit than having someone repair their PC. The $350 special, I think, is the key. With Macs, you don't have the option of buying anything BUT a $2000 premium system. That same $2000 can go a bit further with PC equipment of the same quality.

Macs are idiot-proofed out of the box. I idiot-proofed my friend's PC by allowing him to use the computer only in "user" mode, so that nothing he could do would mess up the system. He hasn't had a hiccup in 2 years, and I saved him a $2000 to $3000 trip to the Mac store.

Macs now use the same processors as PCs, and the interface differences between Vista and the Mac OS aren't that overwhelming. The fact is, you still have to run Windows on the Mac to be able to run all of the PC applications you want to run. Why spend the extra cash? I don't try to act as the anti-Klaus and propogandize people away from Macs, as he does with PCs, but I just like to move people past what really sells Macs: the hype, the cool looks and the smug "i'm smarter than you because I have a Mac" mentality. Do any of those things make your computer work better?

It all boils down to personal preference. If you wonder why your $2000 Mac works so much better than the $350 HP Best Buy special, then you need your head examined. That Mac sure as hell better work better than that POS, just like the $2000 PC will also work much better than the POS. The difference is, if the $350 POS is all you need, and you don't try to take it beyond its capabilities (I don't know how many people I've seen angry that their Celeron can't run Flight Sim) you have that option with a PC, not a Mac.

As far as security...keep your copy of Windows updated! It practically does it on its own anyhow. There are also many freeware firewalls and antivirus programs out there that are just as good or better than the expensive stuff. Also, as Macs become more widespread, so too does the interest hackers take in creating viruses for them.

To your question: to upgrade or not to upgrade? Well, don't upgrade. Buy a full copy, back up your files and do a clean install. Something almost always goes wrong on an upgrade...something that is a true problem with Windows. Secondly, if your PC runs XP efficiently, and you do not significantly exceed Vista's minimum requirements, keep XP. By the time XP is no longer supported, you will have a new PC anyway. Most of the games that will require Vista (which probably means DirectX 10) will also require an expensive new graphics card and much more memory, which your current system may or may not be able to accommodate.



Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
In that case a Mac or MacBook can be the better option for you.

As usual, we have to hear from Klaus as to why he thinks a Mac is superior to a PC. Klaus, his question was should he upgrade to Vista from XP not should he change from PC to Mac. Take your hijack attempts elsewhere.

As to your question, it appears that Microsoft themselves are acknowledging their customer's unwillingness to make the Vista jump. Check out this article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137826-c,xp/article.html

[Edited 2007-09-30 17:42:02]

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8771 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 10):
With Macs, you don't have the option of buying anything BUT a $2000 premium system.

Before I read on: that is simply not true. The Mac mini starts at $599 (plus taxes, presumably) in the US.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

$600, no display, no keyboard and mouse...$1300 with those luxury items, and without adding on any of their limited upgrade possibilities like additional memory or HD space, or any of the Mac applications that are supposed to be the main attraction. But, really neat looking.


Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8771 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 13):
$600, no display, no keyboard and mouse...

Which the §350 special usually doesn't have either...

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 13):
$1300 with those luxury items

...and its buyer would certainly not spend $700 on a display, mouse and keyboard. They'd go for cheap there, too, choosing something else than the Apple items.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 13):
without adding on any of their limited upgrade possibilities like additional memory or HD space

Again, which $350 PC buyer would care about those? Please don't compare apples to oranges (yes, I know, terrible pun).

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 13):
or any of the Mac applications that are supposed to be the main attraction

iLife is included. That right there is the ace up the sleeve and would cost serious money in separate purchases for a PC.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 13):
But, really neat looking.

And ergonomic and actually supported by the company selling it and...



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 4):
Its a lot easier to use, it runs a lot smoother and it is a lot safer.

 no  Maybe for someone who's never touched a machine with 95/98/XP, but for someone who's dealt with all systems, albeit I was a bit young with 95, XP is much more user-friendly then Vista. I've had both XP and Vista installed on my machine (Dual Core Duo 2.93 Ghz X6800, 4 GB RAM, 512 MB X1900 Crossfire Vid Card), and I've never had so many issues with an operating system. To me, Vista made 98 look stable as all hell. I'll be forced to use Vista in a few years kicking and screaming, but for now, XP is here to stay.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 4):
I adopted Vista 5 days before its official launch and it worked with all but one of my games then.

That's great and all that it works with your games, but some of us use much more then just games. Vista just now works with AutoCAD '08. Any other AutoCAD program before '08 came out doesn't do squat on a Vista machine. There a quite a few programs I have on my machine that I use for both school and work everyday that won't work with a Vista operating system. It's not as backward friendly as people say it is...

If you're new to computers, or not that hardcore into diving in and customizing the crap out of an operating system, fine, go with Vista.... If not, then stay the hell away for as long as you can.


User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Nitpick all you want...the point is, it's a $1300 system. It should be expected to perform better than the $350 wonder which does, in most cases anymore, come bundled with a keyboard, mouse and display. The average $350 user is not going to go elsewhere to get the display and keyboard anymore than they are going to choose upgrades...if the mac experience is what it is supposed to be, they will go to the mac store and leave with everything they need, ready to go right out of the box. That would, therefore, include the display. Plus, if you go without the items mentioned, it's still $600, and $600 systems do come with those items, notwithstanding the cheaper ones.

It may be a perfectly good system, that's not what I'm arguing. It is a system that should be expected to perform better than the base PC.



Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8771 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 16):
Nitpick all you want.

Nitpick? Pointing out that the $600 20" "Apple Cinema Display" isn't necessary and far from the only option is now nitpicking?!

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 16):
the point is, it's a $1300 system.

It is not. It's perfectly simple, if you want to ignore it, that's your choice.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 16):
It should be expected to perform better than the $350 wonder which does, in most cases anymore, come bundled with a keyboard, mouse and display.

Keyboard and mouse, yes, but not a display. I did a bit of surfing at bestbuy.com, nothing suggests their cheapest systems come with displays. But even so, yes, a $600 Mac should of course be expected to perform better than a $350 PC - also when running Windows.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 16):
The average $350 user is not going to go elsewhere to get the display and keyboard

But what suggests they'll buy a new display, keyboard and mouse when their old ones still do the job well enough for their needs and wishes? All anyone needs for that are video and perhaps PS/2 to USB adapters.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 16):
It may be a perfectly good system, that's not what I'm arguing. It is a system that should be expected to perform better than the base PC.

Indeed - my point is that your claim:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 10):
With Macs, you don't have the option of buying anything BUT a $2000 premium system.

was incorrect. I certainly am not a Mac worshipper, even thought the things do impress me each and every time I use them, I just don't like unfair comparisons.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineJRowson From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 359 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

I'm not upgrading to Vista yet...why?...simply because I don't need it. XP does and runs everything that I do in a stable manner. Crashes have been extremely rare under XP, so it ain't broke, so i'm not going to meddle with it.
Vista just plain annoyed me at work yesterday. I wanted to print something off the net onto a Xerox all in one which is 3 months old. Plugged it in and the laptop then spent ages trying to install the drivers only to tell me that they are not compatible, at which point the internet decided to fail so i couldn't go online. It's also very slow on the basic laptop i was using. You certainly need something with a decent turn of speed.



James Rowson. Canonite and lover of all things L. JAR Photography.
User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Best Buy routinely has sub-$500 system bundles that include displays. Maybe not this week, but they regularly do. I was in a store yesterday, and they had a display with 3 such systems as an in-store special. Last week or the week before they actually had a $350 bundle, after rebates, that also had a printer. That machine can't be anywhere near the quality of the $600 Mac. But, I'll bet if your only purpose is to web surf and email, it is perfectly adequate. The problem is, some genius will buy it and try to run high end software on it.

The point is, people that complain about PCs are usually those who buy the cheapest things they can find, try to run them beyond their capabilities, and a Mac is pushed at them as the solution. So, the unfair comparison are these higher priced Mac systems containing premium components versus run of the mill, bargain basement PCs, when they could get a similarly or better equipped premium PC for the money they would spend on a Mac. It's not better just because it's a Mac...it's better that what they had because it would be an upgrade over what they already had whether a Mac or a PC.

Apple marketing, throught their gimmicks, unique packaging and the propogation of the myth that using their product is "smarter", is able to convince people to fork over the extra money. Marketing, however, doesn't give you a better product. Credit them...it's good business.

My point...if Apple built a discount Mac and only had available components that would fit that price range, people would have the same sort of issues. There are also more configuration options on PCs, which are routinely mismatched, even by the retail stores selling them. That's why I nevery buy out-of-the-box PCs. If more components were compatible with Macs, there would be those issues too. What I tire of are the blanket, categorical statements like "It's a Mac, so it works," as if PCs don't, or your own, "And ergonomic and actually supported by the company selling it..." PCs come in many different configs and from many different companies, with varying degrees of tech support. You get what you pay for, and if you pay as much as you have to for a Mac, you sure as hell BETTER get better than some cheapo, off the shelf system that's not even meant for what you want to do.



Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

ok, really, guys, he asked a simple question:

Should I upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista?

He did not ask whether to get a Mac or not. Yes, we know Mac's are the world's greatest thing ever - they can do everything windows can, and more, and can even run the very windows that you guys slander. Why does every computer thread have to get so far off track? It gets old. And don't give me the BS about how you're just "informing the world". If they read Non-Av often, they sure as hell know about Macs. For me, to the point that Mac fanboys actually are keeping me from buying a Mac. You remind me of the christians that tell people "You're going to hell if you don't become a Christian" right when they first see them. /rant

In response to the question:

I was running XP on an old laptop for a long time. I finally bit the bullet and built a new computer. Specs:

Gigabyte 690G motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128056)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
1GB 677mhz RAM
160GB IDE 7200RPM drive for Vista OS
80GB SATA 7200RPM drive for storage
DVD-ROM
DVD-/+RW with LightScribe (lightscribe is freaking amazing)
ATI Radeon X1650 pro

Runs Vista like a charm. 1 gig of ram is fine, but I'm thinking about upping it to 2 gig. Also, the integrated graphics on the moboard run Aero just fine, but I have a real video card, too.

Everything I use runs fine. Adobe CS3 (dreamweaver, photoshop, acrobat, flash, fireworks) all work fine. iTunes, Open Office, Avast anti-virus, everything works fine.

I love the new look and feel. It seems so light and airy. The new sounds are cool - instead of the "clunk" sounding XP sounds, Vista has a nicer chime to it.

Sidebar is cool, but I turned it off.

Things seem more organized. I use the integrated search allll the time. Icons stay arranged on the desktop how you want them (biggest pet peeve of mine with XP). Everything works so much better, and actually runs faster than XP did on the same machine.

A few things to note: Turn off UAC (User Account Control) - it pops up messages every time you want to run something, asking if you really want to run it.

Ignore Media Center. It sucks.

Do a full, fresh install, not an upgrade from XP. Also, reformat the disk before installing. (BTW - Vista installed in 10 minutes flat on my computer).

Vista runs just as fast with Aero on or off. (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_aero_glass_performance/)

AMD has confirmed this, too. Just as long as you have a halfway decent video card (or a high end integrated one), you'll be fine.

Lastly, you could wait until SP1 comes out - but why? You'll get the update for free, and everything works fine now. Big deal. I'd say go for it!

Hope that helps!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

I have had zero issues with Vista. It is a wild improvement over XP in performance and stability, even on an older machine I installed it on.

I find Windows clunky and cumbersome in any event, but Vista is almost usable.

NS


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

I like Vista better than XP. Sure, it takes a while to get used to but once you do you'll like it. I haven't had any problems with it yet and seems to run everything like it should. I do wish I had more RAM (I have 1GB) but it works very well with what I have. Only thing I don't like about it is the slow start-up, so I leave the computer on.


LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
If you've got a relatively new up-to-date gaming PC and playing the newest games is a priority for you, Vista will be required for a growing number of them.

With VISTA you still can't force refresh rates (some of us still use 20"-24"+ flat CRTs for gaming) as you can in XP.

[Edited 2007-09-30 20:25:00]


Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 23):
With VISTA you still can't force refresh rates (some of us still use 24"+ flat CRTs) as you can in XP.

check your video card driver control panel. Mine (ATI) lets me adjust refresh rates.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 22):
Only thing I don't like about it is the slow start-up, so I leave the computer on.

Slow startup? I turn my computer on, once it goes through BIOS checks, etc, and loads the Vista loader screen, it stays there for *maybe* 4 seconds, then shows login screen. It takes me all of 20 seconds from the time I hit the on button on the computer, to when I can be on A.net front page. (yes, I timed it. I'm that much of a nerd... I know)

Kinda fast, IMO.


25 TZ757300 : Wow, it takes me what seems like eons to for the whole process to finish, like 1-2 min.
26 Bagpiper : eesh! I'm sorry! Does your hard disk have slow read times or something!?
27 TZ757300 : No clue, all I know is that its slow.
28 Bagpiper : well... hmm. I purposely got fast memory, fast FSB on the motherboard, and a good CPU... maybe the combination of those things makes it boot fast. OE
29 Post contains links Zak : just get this here, burn the cd and boot it to test: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu
30 Post contains images Bagpiper : " target=_blank>http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Fedora is waaaaaay better. KDE is much nicer than gnome. But I think thats for a different topic. Noti
31 StarAC17 : Thats your experience and I had the opposite one besides a few driver issues but I have the follwing system and my Vista runs faster than XP did by f
32 Post contains images Tmatt95 : I think that it XP serves you well, I would not upgrade to Vista. Get as much mileage out of XP as possible and save some money at the same time. " ta
33 Sv2008 : Just bought a laptop with Vista and prefer it to XP. I hated XP it was full of anyoing features (like being forced to restart the computer after updat
34 Post contains images Bagpiper : tell me about it. But still, I prefer Fedora over any other distro I've tried. Trust me, I've tried a lot. I've got 3 servers I run, two running Fedo
35 Post contains links IFEMaster : Read this and then make your decision: http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/09/28/vista-rants/ There's not a chance in hell you'd find me using Vista on any
36 TUNisia : NVIDIA here
37 Bagpiper : My laptop (which was running XP, though) had a control panel that let me adjust the refresh rates. It was running an Nvidia card, and the control pan
38 Post contains links and images Klaus : Oh, come on. It looks a lot as if you've never bothered to take a closer look over the fence. And taking a closer look is what it's really about. You
39 Goldenshield : Klaus- Using the example of a university that basically forces their students to buy a Mac because of the iLife package is used in some way in every c
40 Post contains links and images Klaus : I didn't. It's just a really nice picture and a symbolic foreshadowing of the rapid expansion of Apple's market share. And, of course, there are good
41 Goldenshield : And now calling names? I have respect for you because you don't go to low blows, but then you do this, Klaus.
42 Post contains images Klaus : What are you talking about? This was about your claim that Apple was competing "unfairly" against a near-monopoly completely dominating the market fo
43 CaptOveur : Agreed. University faculty usually lives in a bubble.. A bubble where Apple is a good option, along with a few other fallacies of life. Actually thos
44 Post contains images Klaus : Yeah - a system that's actually easy to use and efficient in getting things done. Nobody in "real life" would ever want to use something like that...
45 Post contains images Aloges : First of all, it's Aplle's choice what sort of system they want their OS to run on. Don't like that or Windows, get Linux. What Apple are doing is ma
46 StarAC17 : I could get a Mac if I wanted to but I have no need for it because I maintain my PC and it never has frozen since I have put Vista on it except for w
47 Tom12 : I'd have to say yes aswell. It is a lot better by comparison to WinXP. Tom
48 Aloges : Can't you imagine how incredibly "cool" and "1337" a successful mass hack of Mac OSs would be?
49 Gigneil : Yes, and that is precisely WHY Mac OS X is vastly superior to Windows. It's a closed ecosystem, it gives Apple ultimate control of the marriage of ha
50 Post contains images Jacobin777 : " target=_blank>http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop a couple of days ago..runs great... .... .....truth be told, both
51 Post contains images Lehpron : In the real world, there are no one-size-fits-all solutions, and not everything works for everyone. Pay attention to the customer, Klaus, even if they
52 CaptOveur : Did you just call a university efficient? Ever work for one? Yeah, I didn't think so. I have never seen so much waste and running around in circles u
53 Type-Rated : A friend of mine asked me if I wanted to attend a Microsoft Windows Vista retailers seminar a few weeks ago, I went. The Microsoft rep seemed a little
54 Post contains images Myt332 : You know I swear KROC only posted a thread like this a few months back asking should he upgrade to WinXP from WinMe?
55 NIKV69 : I am buying new desktop next May and have heard that Vista has it issues and that Dell is still offering XP in new machines. I would love to try Vista
56 Wardialer : It takes me less than 30 seconds to boot Vista on my Moms laptop. ALl because many Services that usually startup are DISABLED... Its easy, Just go to
57 Post contains images Klaus : I do. And I have recommended PCs to people before. The two primary reasons to do so are: • High-end gaming is a must and extensive tinkering with t
58 CaptOveur : Yep.. Because that is what 95% of the business world uses. Universities like to pretend they are preparing people for the working world.
59 Post contains images Klaus : And they surely would never waste any time or efficiency, right? Sometimes they do. And the veritable surge of Mac usage among students (even beyond
60 Post contains images Aloges : Any Mac or Windows user who can't make any sense whatsoever of the "other world" should IMHO not have a job involving computers at all.
61 Type-Rated : Linux is strictly for people who know what is going on inside their computers.....
62 Post contains images Metroliner : hmm... so what's the verdict on upgrading? i'm getting a little confused by the discussion here. could someone clarify the following terms for me plea
63 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Hey Klaus, Right I've been reading your posts and basically all you say, summed up, is "Macs are better than PC" but you don't really specify how. So
64 Post contains images Klaus : From me: It depends. - If you've got a relatively new and relatively expensive PC and Windows-based 3D games are one of your primary uses, the point
65 Jamesbuk : Umm I haven't had a virus in 3 years... And I'm only using AVG anti virus. To be honest it just sounds like having a Mac is a fashion statement - Lik
66 Jamesbaldwyn : I've been working closly with both Macs and PC's at home and work/school for the past couple of years. Macs are for entertainment. You wanna make a vi
67 Post contains images Klaus : I've never had a virus. And under MacOS X an "antivirus" application wouldn't even make sense at this point - there simply is no active threat to gua
68 Bagpiper : Direct X 10 Good luck with running vista? No complaints here. Klaus, Vista based PC? How many hours? Just wondering. Vista just works for me. Mostly
69 Rabenschlag : I too wonder whether there is some substantial evidence for the frequent claims made about Macs, namely that Mac OS is more stable and more userfried
70 Post contains images Aloges : To me. the verdict seems to be "try whatever you want". Build quality isn't a fashion statement (quality which you can of course get from a PC just a
71 CaptOveur : What price? Avast is free for home users. This couldn't have been put better. Or some flavor of Unix if you swing that way. This is why I am in the p
72 Jamesbuk : Yeah thats the time I've had this PC - I got viruses on my old one as I had to share it with my sister and she downloaded anything hence how we got a
73 Jamesbaldwyn : I've never had a virus on this computer. Mac users are too busy creating videos. Correct. I had spent many months in our Media Suite at college worki
74 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...if its from the "ground up", they did a poor job....that being said, my new Vista-based laptop should be here in a few days.. ...but I'm probably
75 Post contains images Metroliner : hey, no offence meant. i was just trying to indicate that the thread was heading off topic... however, i do think mac users are often like smart car
76 Bagpiper : I meant the "inconvenience" price, instead of cost price. Running virus scan in the background is hardly noticeable, but to make Klaus happy, I said
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