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User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 877 times:

I am currently a student and I am thinking of studying for a career in law enforcement in college. I do have some training (police explorers) and think that it really is the thing for me. I was wondering what I should think of studying (I want a 4 year degree) and would like to hear of your advice on what I should do to enter that field. I do also hope to work for a federal law enforcement agency some day so I'd like to know if I should consider a pre-law degree. Thanks for the advice in advance.


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Bachelor degree in Criminal Justice seems to be what the feds require.

User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2866 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Bachelor degree in Criminal Justice seems to be what the feds require.

Yeah, it seems like a good choice, but mind you it doesnt HAVE to be a Crim Justice degree. I've actually seen people do well with a Philosophy degree and its probably good of he wants to do Pre-Law.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Bachelor Degree is the way to go if you ever want to be a supervisor or advance past the rank of sergeant.

User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Bachelor degree in Criminal Justice seems to be what the feds require.

Partially correct. While you must have a bachelor's degree, it need not be in Criminal Justice.

Each federal agency has its own specific additional requirements. A potential FBI special agent must qualify in one of the following five categories - Accounting, Computer Science/Information Technology, Language, Law, and "Diversified."

For DEA, again, a bachelor's degree is required, with preference given to those with degrees in Criminal Justice/Police Science or related disciplines; Finance, Accounting or Economics; foreign languages (with fluency verified) in Spanish, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, dialects of Nigerian languages, Chinese and Japanese; Computer Science/Information Systems; and Telecommunications/Electrical/Mechanical Engineering.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting DC10extender (Thread starter):
studying for a career in law enforcement in college

Criminal Justice.
Justice Studies
Criminology
Police Science
Homeland Security
Counter Terrorism


My BA is in Criminal Justice and i'm working on my MA (part time) in Counter Terrorism... I loved my undergrad classes and now i love my career.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good Luck


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
Partially correct. While you must have a bachelor's degree, it need not be in Criminal Justice

Agreed, in fact I would say that you might be better off with some of the sciences, if you want to get into forensic work, Finance or accounting if you want to work on white collar cases. I know that up here if you want to be a brownshirt, having a pilots license is an asset because of the large number of planes used in wildlife enforcement.

The point being is that a CJ degree is probably just a general degree, and you might want to think about trying to set yourself as a specialist in a particular field, so that you can work those types of crimes.



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User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 877 times:

I was thinking that I would possibly start of as a police officer with a city department and then go back to law school or something and work for the FBI. I am also interested in counter terrorism however.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 7):
I was thinking that I would possibly start of as a police officer with a city department and then go back to law school or something and work for the FBI.

My advice as somebody who is completely un-involved with the law enforcement section. Forget the city department, except maybe volunteering while in college if they have some sort of program, Get a CPA and then try to hire on with the corporate crime department with the FBI.

When I was going to school there where always looking for accountants to bust the next Enron. Remember it was finally an accounting that sent Al Capone to prison.



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User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
When I was going to school there where always looking for accountants to bust the next Enron. Remember it was finally an accounting that sent Al Capone to prison.

I guess, I just think that I would like to have some street time as well because I have loved it so far with the ridealongs I have done.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 7):
I was thinking that I would possibly start of as a police officer with a city department and then go back to law school or something and work for the FBI. I am also interested in counter terrorism howeve

Actually, one of the fastest ways to break into federal LE is to apply to the Border Patrol. It is a thankless job, but the BP is under a mandate to increase hiring at the moment. Once you are "in," you can do a few years on the line, and then apply to the FBI or DEA.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

My recommendation for whats it worth, is to major is something besides criminal justice. A minor in CJ would be fine, always need to have something to fall back on in case you have to retire on disability. I've worked with guys and gals, that had degrees in Education, Civil Engineering, Accounting etc. Any kind of degree will help in advancement, and another type of degree besides CJ will show that you have other interest, you're well-rounded etc. This is the time to get into the field. Here in the Phoenix Metro area and in California, they just don't have enough qualified applicants. Halls is right about the Border Patrol, but be prepared you'll have to learn Spanish, fast which is not necessarily a bad thing. Personally I enjoyed my career as a highway patrolman, and I wouldn't trade that for any city position, but thats just me. Any questions don't hesitant to IM me.

User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6995 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Hey. I am a college student in the DC area looking at working in Law Enforcement also at the Federal Level.
I am right now planing to get a degree in International Affairs but the concentration is International Security and Conflict. And than I plan on going to grad school somewhere. So what do you some of you guys in Federal law enforcement think of that degree or should I try a criminal justice degree etc..?



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User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 877 times:

I think that I'd like border patrol, the problem is I don't speak Spanish.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
I think that I'd like border patrol, the problem is I don't speak Spanish.

Take a map of the southern United States, and ask yourself is there anywhere between San Diego and El Paso that you would want to live?


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting DC10extender (Thread starter):
I am currently a student and I am thinking of studying for a career in law enforcement in college.

Make sure you know what you are getting into. A life of working nights and weekends, totally missing out on life, getting home late unexpectedly- often or getting called into work early. Strained relationships, and probably a divorce or two. Also, get used to being shit on both by the public and your bosses.

Quoting DC10extender (Thread starter):
I was wondering what I should think of studying (I want a 4 year degree) and would like to hear of your advice on what I should do to enter that field.

Do something other than criminal justice. Honestly, any degree works to get you in the door and I have yet to hear anyone say a CJ degree makes a damn bit of difference. Big city departments see thousands of CJ degrees roll through their application process every year. Try to set yourself apart. Consider something a little unique, something that might make you stand out. I have heard accounting degrees are highly sought after in law enforcement, and some of the best detectives I know also have a CPA. Accounting teaches a meticulous and very systematic mindset and an attention to detail that will give you an edge. I know for a fact the FBI and Treasury department are HEAVILY recruiting accountants straight out of college to be investigators.

Oh and if you are just starting in college. Don't party- at all. Seriously, don't risk screwing up your criminal background check. I have seen tons of people screw up their dream over less than an ounce of pot, even just a pipe, or buying some beer for their friends (furnishing is an A misdemeanor here). If there is underage drinking or anyone even hinting they have pot, leave the party immediately and get new friends. CJ, sociology, and psychology majors have plenty of spare time to party but resist the temptation, you have to be squeaky clean to get on just about anywhere. You have to be beyond clean to get on with the feds. If you even have more than 3 or 4 speeding tickets in a 12 month period you are going to need to be ready to overcome that in an interview board.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
I think that I'd like border patrol, the problem is I don't speak Spanish.

That's ok.. They are hard up enough for people it isn't a requirement. You will know Spanish by the time you graduate their academy though

BTW.. How well do you think you can live on about $26,000 a year?

That is another thing I forgot to mention.. Garbage men make more than Cops in a lot of cities.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
I think that I'd like border patrol, the problem is I don't speak Spanish.


Take a map of the southern United States, and ask yourself is there anywhere between San Diego and El Paso that you would want to live?

Are you forgetting the northern border with Canada?

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 15):
Don't party- at all. Seriously, don't risk screwing up your criminal background check. I have seen tons of people screw up their dream over less than an ounce of pot, even just a pipe, or buying some beer for their friends (furnishing is an A misdemeanor here). If

Best advice in this thread so far.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
Are you forgetting the northern border with Canada?

The three border patrol officers working that are probably in no danger of leaving as they are likely already drawing a military retirement that allows them to not mind working for peanuts.


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