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Another High School Shooting In The US  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Just seeing it on Sky News...will post a link when I can find one...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1287898,00.html

[Edited 2007-10-10 11:28:04]


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Says a school in Cleveland Ohio.

My sky box has packed up so cant get any more info, that i picked from a scolling banner on bbc news website


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

A violent crime in Cleveland? Shocking? No, not really... It's Cleveland.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13200 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

It's all over CNN, MSNBC, FOX News. This time it is Cleveland, Ohio, at Success Tech High School with a high percentage of college prep students. They believe the attacker is a 14 year old student there and may be dead too - not sure if by his own or by the cops. At least 3 have been taken away to ambulances, possibly 2 teachers were shot. The school is now secured and being searched by police. Many students escaped the building during the shooting. Many were trapped or hiding inside waiting for the all clear or maybe injured. Already there are complaints of recent cutbacks of security staffing at the school. Of course this will mean the school will be shut down for a while, and upon return will have to go through counseling and a sign of the failure to get to such troublemakers before they do their horrible acts.

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Good thing I survived High school in LA, hope this stuff doesnt happen in flight school. My condolences to anyone who is being affected by this tragedy, really curious to find out about this shooter.


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Seeing the news, it seems no dead as of yet....

Mayor of Cleveland saying school now secure, 3 people taken to hospital.

Of course this is breaking news, so it MAY change.

Just hope it does not


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 6):
Good thing I survived High school in LA

 rotfl   rotfl 

Okey, sorry everyone shouldn't say so.

How can a 14year boy doing this,??? God I am so scared.



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User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):

How can a 14year boy doing this,??? God I am so scared.

How does he do it? He is pissed off. He hates people. He gets a gun and brings it to school. He pulls the trigger.  tombstone 


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
God I am so scared.

Why? You've apparently got nothing to worry about in Sweden.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

I might as well get it over with

America is the most violent country on earth and all guns should be banned.


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 13):
America is the most violent country on earth and all guns should be banned

Got your flame suit on right? K, just checkin.  Wink



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 13):
America is the most violent country on earth and all guns should be banned.

That will NEVER happen

Never in a million years


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 16):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 13):
America is the most violent country on earth and all guns should be banned.

That will NEVER happen

Queso and I are on a crusade to get guns banned in all the 50 states


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

is anyone surprised?

I certainly am not.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Not trying to start an argument or say the USA is good or bad, but one does have to wonder...

When you look at Canada, Great Britain, etc., school shootings are very rare (I'm not saying they don't happen, because they do happen. I'm simply saying that they happen far less often); but at the same time when one looks at the United States, school shootings almost seem to be a yearly thing. (And when you look at multiple other developed countries as I mentioned before, the "America has 10 times the population so of course we have more shootings" doesn't get you anywhere).

Banning guns certainly would help the problem. You can't having a school shooting if you don't have anything to shoot with. However, as others have said, cultural and social issues share the blame just as much as the guns themselves. The gun is a dangerous tool, but only when there is a person willing to pull the trigger.



CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 22):
But then, those would be shocking because those locations have very low crime rates

Bullshit. All school shootings are shocking. Period. Regardless of location.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Something being shocking is of course in the eye of the beholder.

Violent crime in a region of violent crime is not shocking to me, it's repetition.. Shocking is when violent crime occurs where there usually is none. Would it be as shocking to you this had happened in a building that wasn't a school? Does the fact that the walls happened to inclose a school give the facility some extra aura that would make crime there so much more rare than five feet outside the door?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 12):
Queso and I are on a crusade to get guns banned in all the 50 states

"...from my cold, dead hand !"

"Well, if you insist..."


 rotfl 

Seriously, though - another one ? Where did THIS one get his arsenal from ? Ebay ?


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
America is the most violent country on earth and all guns should be banned.

But if everyone had guns this wouldn't have happened...  Wink


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Shocking is when violent crime occurs where there usually is none.

There usually aren't shootings at schools.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Would it be as shocking to you this had happened in a building that wasn't a school?

Yes, because public mass shootings just aren't that common.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Does the fact that the walls happened to inclose a school give the facility some extra aura

Yes it does. These are children for Christ's sake.



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User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 19):
These are children for Christ's sake.

Yea, kids shootin kids; It's pretty much like Lord of the Flies... Except the gun is the conch shell.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 19):
There usually aren't shootings at schools.

Could have fooled me.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 19):
Yes, because public mass shootings just aren't that common.

Uh huh. You just keep believing that. It's not like some crazy cop just killed seven people...

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 19):
Yes it does.

Magic walls... Right...

Seriously, what about a school is supposed to keep crime out? Heck, schools are the perfect crime magnets. Federal Gun Free Zones, yeah, those are working out just great.

Look. It's tragic. That doesn't mean it's shocking. It's gee, I saw that coming. Fourteen year old kids committing multiple homicides? That's nothing new, it's pretty old news in fact.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 21):
That's nothing new, it's pretty old news in fact.

You're quite right.

It's the kind of news you look at and think "shit", but no longer the kind of news you look at and think "I can't beleive that has happened" - because it has so often.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 12):
Queso and I are on a crusade to get guns banned in all the 50 states

Uh, YEAH, that's the ticket!  liar 

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 14):
When you look at Canada, Great Britain, etc., school shootings are very rare (I'm not saying they don't happen, because they do happen.

When you look at Canada, Great Britian, etc., flights to the moon are very rare, too. So are sandy beaches with palm trees and 85 degree water, capitalist economies,.... shall I go on?

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 18):
But if everyone had guns this wouldn't have happened...

That is a gross oversimplification, but there is some validity to your statement. IF more people had guns a deterrent effect would be in place and the likelihood of this happening would be much smaller because the assailant would know that he/she wouldn't make it very far before being cut down by others who may have guns. How did the Old West become civilized? It sure as hell wasn't by people laying down their arms, it was because of the proliferation of Winchester rifles and Colt handguns.


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 23):

You read too much into it. I was just trying to simplify the typical A.net gun argument.


25 JetsGo : Car accidents are common. School fights are common. School shootings are not. One cop out of how many in the US? Seven people out of 300 million? Sor
26 MDorBust : We'll have to use different standards of common then. Once a week on the nightly news, that's pretty common to me.
27 Mir : I'm not sure that really applies in a high school setting when most of the people there are too young to carry guns anyway - arming the other kids is
28 Flight152 : When was the last school shooting?
29 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : There are also teachers in a high school. Was just trying to get you stirred up.
30 JetsGo : Although I rarely watch nightly news, I read quite a bit on the internet. And I can almost guarantee you that there are not mass public shootings onc
31 MDorBust : Today apparently. Other shootings have occured in January, two in April, May and September. Kids caught with guns at school, there have been several
32 MDorBust : Last week a crazy cop killed seven Yesterday two were killed and two injured in a shooting at a tire store in Cali. I could go on and on and on and o
33 JetsGo : Please do, because I am inclined to say that is not an accurate average. How many are going to be children? Children while at school?
34 SKYSERVICE_330 : Not quite related, but I don't understand this statement. Are you saying Canada and Great Britain don't have capitalist economic systems?
35 Dan2002 : Well, I live and go to school in Cleveland, and I never even knew the school existed. But besides that the way it sounds was the boy was pissed off th
36 B752fanatic : That is an overstatement, we are not the most violent. But we are among the most violent in the world though. Not because of guns I must say, Canada
37 MDorBust : I gave you the numbers. Show me where it is wrong. If you don't believe the numbers they are all available from the BJS. You can be inclined to belie
38 Emirates773ER : That has to be the worst comparison in history of Anet, interesting how you never really answer his question, why does it not happen in Canada?
39 LAXspotter : wow, thats surprising anyway, this kid killer is dead and all his targets seem to be alive, sucks for the shooters family, hopefully the victims are
40 B752fanatic : The big problem among these sort of cases is that once it happens they just try and demonize the attacker without ever asking themselves why have the
41 N231YE : Of all places to happen...a school shooting just happened to have occurred in my city. To be honest, I have never even heard of the school until now.
42 AndesSMF : Source? Sorry, nothing but BS IMHO. The problem that I have noticed, is that kids are not taught FAILURE in school. I know pretty educated people who
43 B752fanatic : My apologies, the source that I had meant per capita in a couple of Canadian provinces compared to some of our states. So no, the gun per capita is n
44 Post contains images LTU932 : Signed, Queso
45 LTBEWR : You also have conflicts in trying to determine people who might be of risk of such events as this school shooter. If the school gets too nosey about t
46 AndesSMF : Yet you provide only one reason, with obvious political undertones.
47 CanadianNorth : I was just about to say, "I don't get it". So yeah, I'm still failing to see what the moon and palm trees have to do with school shootings. Oh, by th
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