LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13838 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3897 times:
It's all over CNN, MSNBC, FOX News. This time it is Cleveland, Ohio, at Success Tech High School with a high percentage of college prep students. They believe the attacker is a 14 year old student there and may be dead too - not sure if by his own or by the cops. At least 3 have been taken away to ambulances, possibly 2 teachers were shot. The school is now secured and being searched by police. Many students escaped the building during the shooting. Many were trapped or hiding inside waiting for the all clear or maybe injured. Already there are complaints of recent cutbacks of security staffing at the school. Of course this will mean the school will be shut down for a while, and upon return will have to go through counseling and a sign of the failure to get to such troublemakers before they do their horrible acts.
CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3424 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3740 times:
Not trying to start an argument or say the USA is good or bad, but one does have to wonder...
When you look at Canada, Great Britain, etc., school shootings are very rare (I'm not saying they don't happen, because they do happen. I'm simply saying that they happen far less often); but at the same time when one looks at the United States, school shootings almost seem to be a yearly thing. (And when you look at multiple other developed countries as I mentioned before, the "America has 10 times the population so of course we have more shootings" doesn't get you anywhere).
Banning guns certainly would help the problem. You can't having a school shooting if you don't have anything to shoot with. However, as others have said, cultural and social issues share the blame just as much as the guns themselves. The gun is a dangerous tool, but only when there is a person willing to pull the trigger.
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3706 times:
Something being shocking is of course in the eye of the beholder.
Violent crime in a region of violent crime is not shocking to me, it's repetition.. Shocking is when violent crime occurs where there usually is none. Would it be as shocking to you this had happened in a building that wasn't a school? Does the fact that the walls happened to inclose a school give the facility some extra aura that would make crime there so much more rare than five feet outside the door?
That is a gross oversimplification, but there is some validity to your statement. IF more people had guns a deterrent effect would be in place and the likelihood of this happening would be much smaller because the assailant would know that he/she wouldn't make it very far before being cut down by others who may have guns. How did the Old West become civilized? It sure as hell wasn't by people laying down their arms, it was because of the proliferation of Winchester rifles and Colt handguns.