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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

So after much debate of when the election is going to be held, November 24 has been announced as the day.

What do you think? Will we be continuing with a Liberal government or will Labor be able to convert enough voters to usher in a change?

Please keep it civil.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=305099

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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Hopefully Howard finally gets what's coming to him for his divisive style of governing over the last decade.

[Edited 2007-10-14 01:34:50]


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

and don't forget that writs are issued on 17th October so 8PM that day is the last chance you have to enrol too vote...Howard has done this in order to keep the youth vote out of the equation.


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

I wonder if CH10 understands that there are 2 major parties contesting this election? Their news report tonight was appalling and did nothing but focus on the Liberals and spent 4mins speaking with Howard.


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User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Well the ads have started already (which makes you wonder about ad slots and what ads were already ready to go) and the Libs have trotted out an "L" for Learner type ad as they did when Latham was the Labour Leader but with also a reference to the number of ex Union Reps being in the Labour Team. Bit of a stale start and just proof that they have no new ideas. If they want to have any chance of winning they'd be better off reinforcing what they inherited when they came into Government and where we are now.

For Labour to win they just have to make sure they don't make any mistakes or at least any more mistakes like whathisname who is not going to be Foreign Minister did this week and Rudd's piss weak slap over the wrists.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

As an interested (but not especially knowledgeable) observer, is it possible for Howard to drag back the deficit in the opinion polls? It looks like a foregone conclusion. Is it?


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
As an interested (but not especially knowledgeable) observer, is it possible for Howard to drag back the deficit in the opinion polls? It looks like a foregone conclusion. Is it?

Labor were miles ahead in the opinion polls prior to the last election and the coalition were returned in a landslide.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
Labor were miles ahead in the opinion polls prior to the last election and the coalition were returned in a landslide.

OK. Why? And could it happen again?

Forgive me for asking basic, obvious questions, but I'm interested.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

They attacked Mark Lathams lack of economic credentials mainly. The bombing of our embassy in Jakarta during the campaign probably helped as it brought national security into focus and that is something which the coalition have been strong on. Latham wasn't helped by the fact that members of his own party attacked his forestry policy.

User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
is it possible for Howard to drag back the deficit in the opinion polls?

Highly unlikely although not impossible particularly if Labour drop any clangers.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
Labor were miles ahead in the opinion polls prior to the last election

I don't recall that they were "miles" ahead. I seem to remember it was more like 51-49 or 52-48 which was pretty similar situation to what Beasley had the election before. The difference was on the night : Howard worked the marginals and held on against Beasley; while the Voters deserted Latham possibly after his stance in Tasmania and possibly sensing that he was what he proved himself to be - a loose cannon.

Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
OK. Why? And could it happen again?

In short - No. Bit different this time. Margin is greater, Howard is perceived as out of touch, old, and stale, Rudd tries to control everything tightly, Labour is paying much more attention than last time to the marginals (including selecting Candidates that actually have half a brain), and Policy isn't that much different (except of course on IR which Labour really can't change in the very short term given that they have said that AWAs created and approved under Work Choices will still be valid for the term of their contract).

However having said that it ain't over till the probervial sings and people can change their minds once they get in that little voting booth with the HB pencil.



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
OK. Why? And could it happen again?

Forgive me for asking basic, obvious questions, but I'm interested.

Mark Latham showed his true colours (he is a certified loon!) Also as mentioned his forestry policy (delvivered lots of votes in Tasmania) also they came up with weirdo policies like Medicare Gold. In short they got desperate.

Rudd and Co only need to play a straight bat, keep their cool and they should romp it in.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
Labor were miles ahead in the opinion polls prior to the last election and the coalition were returned in a landslide.
OK. Why? And could it happen again?

Forgive me for asking basic, obvious questions, but I'm interested.

OK, Banco, YOU asked for it!!! Smile

Our House of Representative elections are exactly like your House of Commons elections EXCEPT we use a preferential voting system, which has the effect of making things less predictable.

First, if you're not up with preferential voting systems, see this Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_voting
See in particular the section headed "Australia"

Second is the make up of electorates. Despite the image Oz is a highly urbanised country, even more urbanised than most of Europe or North America, but with VERY LARGE distances between urban centres. The eastern half of Queensland is the only part of the country that approaches world norms for population distribution.
Electorates are supposed to be about the same size (population wise) across the country but sometimes it just gets to hard to be practical, so size does vary, tending to put more seats in the country than the cities, than would other wise be the case.

Now the tricky bit! When you combine the above two points, results tend to be much more evenly spread than in the UK, with a slight bias to the National (Country) Party.

This evenness comes from two situations.
One: There are a large number of candidates for one seat. 10/12 is not unheard of, six or so is common. In the UK a candidate in a six way contest can get elected with 17% +1 of the vote ie the candidate with the most votes. Under our system you must get 50% + 1 to be elected. Which why the Wiki article calls it a "instant run off system" because you have already cast your vote for the run off election if nobody gets 50% +1.
The result of this is that a strong independent or minor party candidate can influence the result of the election by "directing preferences", which is a recommendation to those who voted for him on who to put 2nd, 3rd etc. This makes some seats very unpredictable.
Two: There is a very, very strong local independent or minor party candidate who has a good shot at getting elected. This is more common at the state level, but is certainly not unknown at the Federal level. In this situation the major party with the least chance of winning may "run dead", in effect a sham campaign covertly supporting the minor/independante candidate on the assumption that they don't count in forming governments.

So all of this means that elections, particularly Federal elections are normally very unpredictable. You probably still don't get it, fully, but it's a bit like cricket, I'm afraid, unless you grow up with it it is very, very hard to follow!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 11):
You probably still don't get it

Actually, I know the system (my degree's in politics - and history), I'm just not up to date with the dynamics of Australian politics on a day to day level.

Thanks for the explanation.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
OK. Why? And could it happen again?

Forgive me for asking basic, obvious questions, but I'm interested.

forgive me but it sounds more like your barracking for Howard more than anything else...

Quoting TSV (Reply 9):
Bit different this time. Margin is greater

its not that its greater but the fact that the margin has consistently as is for the last 10 months...people are sick to death of hearing from John Howard, they stopped listening the day Rudd took over from Kim Beazley. If Turnbull or Costello were to takeover tomorrow then the Liberal party would be a chance because the public would be forced to listen to what's on offer from new leaders...Howard's to drunk with power and wouldn't even entertain the idea...he'll take them all with him rather than give it to Costello.

Quoting TSV (Reply 4):
reference to the number of ex Union Reps

I'm surprised nobody has done one on the amount of ex lawyers that cram the front bench of the government?

Its LABOR too, not LABOUR!



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
forgive me but it sounds more like your barracking for Howard more than anything else...

Eh?  Confused

Don't be absurd. Why would I give a stuff who wins?

I was interested, that's all. Blimey.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
forgive me but it sounds more like your barracking for Howard more than anything else...

How did you interpret that?

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
I'm surprised nobody has done one on the amount of ex lawyers that cram the front bench of the government?

Comparing this to ex union leaders is apples and bowling balls.... and you know it



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 14):
Eh? Confused

Don't be absurd. Why would I give a stuff who wins?

I was interested, that's all. Blimey. Yeah sure

Ssshhh....he's one of QFF's anti Monarchy buddies  Wink



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
Actually, I know the system (my degree's in politics - and history), I'm just not up to date with the dynamics of Australian politics on a day to day level.

Why didn't you say so! So's mine  Smile

In more compact terms. The polls showing Labor ahead are national polls, they do not measure at the indivual seat level. Because of this the suprises thrown up by the preferintial system and electorate distribution factors, always come out of the blue. Having said that nothing has, so far, shown up in news reports to suggest that there is an unusal number of such factors in play, this time. But you NEVER know.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 17):
Because of this the suprises thrown up by the preferintial system and electorate distribution factors, always come out of the blue.

Yes, I'm sure. Have the pollsters come up with a way to model that, yet? If so, what do those polls show?



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

There was just something on the news over here a few mins ago about Australians and their voting...apparently they very rarely change government if the economy is on a high, whether they agree with the gov's policies or not?
So is Australia's economy booming at the moment, and could that lead to Howard remaining in his position?



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User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
forgive me but it sounds more like your barracking for Howard more than anything else...

Strange interpretation.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
Its LABOR too, not LABOUR!

Gee that's a dead giveaway that I'm not a card carrying party member. (Or is it?)



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 18):
.
Yes, I'm sure. Have the pollsters come up with a way to model that, yet? If so, what do those polls show?

The only way is what is called marginal/special intrest seat polling. It's VERY expensive to get people on the ground in country seats and telephone polling does not work well in many seats.
I have not seen any marginal polling in this campagin yet, but expect to do so in the next couple of weeks. If it does not throw up anything new it could be a very boreing election!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 2):
and don't forget that writs are issued on 17th October so 8PM that day is the last chance you have to enrol too vote...Howard has done this in order to keep the youth vote out of the equation.

And he needed to do that from the polls!

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
As an interested (but not especially knowledgeable) observer, is it possible for Howard to drag back the deficit in the opinion polls? It looks like a foregone conclusion. Is it?

If he can, then the guys who run the polls, will shoot someone, either themselves or possibly just go out and start a new tradition of political assassinations just afore the results are declared.

In summary most unlikely, but heck, England are in the rugby finals!

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 11):
OK, Banco, YOU asked for it!!!

Excellent summary Anthony G, so what ARE you doing on election night?  angel 

One aspect that has been missed out (I think) is that Howard rather hopes the polls so far are the ultimate Aus practical joke and that the night will show the real feelings.

I suspect they will show the real feelings and they are that we are not waiting for Howard with a baseball bat (as was said of Keating in 1996) but with a cricket bat, so much easier to use you know!


User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

With much of the polling being conducted on a two party preferred basis, what is/ has there been recent polling of the remaining parties.

I'm curious to see how it is going, as i believe that the preferences will play a key role, particularly in key marginals, which could prove to be so vital.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 23):
With much of the polling being conducted on a two party preferred basis, what is/ has there been recent polling of the remaining parties.

Don't forget that whatever happens, the Libs will control the Senate until mid 2008.

Hope that Vic Lab get their prefs sorted out better this time.  Wow!


25 Flyboysp : And interesting times it will be until then.
26 QANTAS077 : care to enlighten me as to which were ex-union leaders? being a member of a union and being its leader are two different things altogether. well the
27 Springbok747 : Oh damn...now we'll have to endure a whole month of election ads. I'm already getting sick of them.
28 TSV : No that's usually just ignorance (typical of a certain nationality) - this is a pisstake as in "hard" labour rather than "new" Labor. (Memo from Kevi
29 Post contains images ExFATboy : Trust me, compared to what we go through here in the States you have it easy by comparison... ...our presidential election cycle never actually ends
30 SpinalTap : It will be interesting to see the debate(s), could Howard claw his way back with a strong performance?
31 Baroque : Depends a bit on which case you are making. Iron ore and coal, esp coking coal price increases have been even more significant contributors. However,
32 QANTAS077 : tax cuts from the government...you beauty! now we can look forward to higher inflation figures and higher interest rates!
33 SpinalTap : Are you going to make the same comments when Labor announce their tax cuts?
34 Baroque : Well H J does have form. Go back to the "Fistful of dollars" campaign in 1977 and see where that got us. Just one of many awful policies of the Frase
35 QFA380 : Depends what taxes they cut.... Cutting Income Tax year after year is stupid. How about cutting Super tax? Now that would be a smart move. Or what ab
36 QANTAS077 : are you going to guarantee that the ALP are going to give us income tax cuts? latest CPI figures haven't even come out yet and they go and do this, e
37 Baroque : Anyone watch the two of them being tortured by Kerry O'B on 7.30 rep on Monday? Howard's hands were shaking and I thought the two of them might come
38 QANTAS077 : I heard that Howard demanded the debate NOT have a worm indicator...
39 CupraIbiza : Greg Combet? Bill Shorten?
40 QFA380 : I didn't see that one but I've seen other ones and Howard really doesn't like that guy. He makes him feel uneasy and asks him hard (for him) question
41 Bill142 : Which one of these two was it that didn't know the name of the main street of their electorate?
42 Post contains links Baroque : Yes, indeed, the reason for that extraordinary quirk of a decision perhaps becomes obvious. What I cannot work out is how someone has not modeled the
43 CupraIbiza : Rudd got the AWE wrong as well.... and by a lot more I think it was Combet. Shorten lives very close to his upcoming electorate Martin Ferguson, Simo
44 Post contains links QANTAS077 : 1/2 v 0/2 and the man running the country doesn't know the current interest rate which only rose 6 weeks ago... big deal, the government gets plenty
45 Baroque : Which is more enjoyable, being done over by a bunch of lawyers or by a bunch of unionists? Interesting how even some of the lawyers seem to have been
46 CupraIbiza : An interesting question you pose. I havent ever thought of it in such philisopical terms. But I will pick the lawyers. What can I say I finished scho
47 CupraIbiza : I forgot to mention that he was a lawyer!
48 Baroque : Yes, they were difficult times. But WADR a longer perspective gets you back to the time when I promised to give money to the Salvos but only if Aus h
49 Post contains images NAV20 : Generally correct, Baroque, though I'm an exception in your age-group! But then I'm not tolerant of ANY politicians, so I probably don't count. As a
50 Melpax : Good 'ol Joan Kirner...... She visited my school during my last year of school in 1992, during the state election campaign, she copped a lot of flack
51 Baroque : So you probably enjoyed Philip Adams conversation last night/this arvo with "Chalmers Johnson President of the Japan Policy Research Institute and th
52 CupraIbiza : This is before my time however as far I know Melbourne had sewers and sealed roads well before this time? However I do see your point. In fact our po
53 Post contains images Baroque : Oho, who did we have, we had Sir Bob (Robin) Askin - he of the crim connections. Now there is a story, run over the bastards for the Viet demonstrato
54 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : All i can say is i hope Kevin Rudd gets in, old johnny boy has been in the lodge for way way too long. Whats the point of voting howard anyway, hes no
55 Post contains images Baroque : Come on Pd, LJ is hardly ever in the lodge, his missus does not care for it!! On that score, he could go for another 10 years and not occupy the Lodg
56 Pilotdude09 : lol Personally i think that the federal pollies should live in canberra unless they hold a electorate seat, which a few dont. The amount of airfares
57 TSV : I'm beginning to think the best result would be Little Johnny losing his seat and the Libs winning. I think that would be harder for Little Johnny to
58 Baroque : Definitely a good point there. I was just listening to P Adams, and apparently Margot Kingston is back - her new edition is "Still not happy John". I
59 CupraIbiza : I was waiting for these ads to start. Took them long enough. The answer is now 14 ex union leaders or officials. He has given us cluse to nought so f
60 Post contains links QANTAS077 : so...they work, but according to Joe Hockey the unions are now irrelevant...what does Joe think will happen if the ALP gets in? the entire workforce
61 Baroque : Are we nearly yer yet? Some pretty desperate stuff so far. I am waiting for a summary of all the things that should have been done with surpluses for
62 Post contains links Flyboysp : Another stumble from Mr Howard. Howard gets candidate's name wrong PRIME Minister John Howard has made an embarrassing slip while campaigning in Queen
63 Baroque : Choice, but you really ought to be more sympathetic to us senior citizens Flyb!!!! It is not our fault if we live in a permanent senior's moment. God
64 Post contains images LAXspotter : There seems to be a much more civilized debate amongst aussies about politics that Americans, or am I just wrong to feel that most of you are united i
65 Post contains images QANTAS077 : we don't like outsiders meddling in our politics...
66 Post contains links CupraIbiza : I would rather have higher rates and pay more on my mortgage if it means rock solid job security that comes with a strong economy. I fear Kevin Rudd
67 QANTAS077 : you seriously think the world is going to fall in if Rudd gets in? remind me how many years of economic growth we had before Howard took over, pretty
68 StealthZ : Just one minor point, this happened in a system run for many years by a state Labor Govt. jealously guarding against any interference by your much ha
69 QANTAS077 : yet the federal govt had no problem throwing $45 million at the Mersey 4 months ago...
70 CupraIbiza : No I dont think the sky would cave in on Novermber 25th. I fear what he economy will be like in 5 or so years. Disagree on your assessment on interes
71 QANTAS077 : guess what, its closer to 9% currently un-employed or should I say UNDER-employed...a figure the government never talks about. federal government has
72 CupraIbiza : we could go back and forth for ever. No one is going to change anyone elses mind. I got an interesting lesson in demographics tonight. Caught a bit of
73 Baroque : Not sure about that Q077. Seems to me that comment from outsiders is very welcome as it brings new perspectives. What I agree we do not welcome, is "
74 QANTAS077 : I don't doubt that Howard will get back in...as much as I despise his wedge politics and his fear campaigns the people seems to like it, apathy is a
75 Post contains links QANTAS077 : Rudd announced his tax policy, Howard just lost the initiative! he's welcome to the 2% who are already earning over $180,000...he's already got them v
76 Baroque : While the headlines proclaim that Lazarus has taken up his bed and is walking, the newest polls seem to be within the stat limits of the last ones th
77 CupraIbiza : 2016? Did I read that right? 2016? Surely a mis print. Thats like me saying to my wife I will buy her the Hope Diamond..... by 2016. anyone can promi
78 Post contains links QANTAS077 : little like the last 12 years...still no real tax-reform and the government has had ample chance! http://www.alp.org.au/media/1007/msloo190.php 2013
79 CupraIbiza : No tax reform? Um whats the GST? No tax reform? The average wage earner was on the top tax bracket. Now it cuts in at 150K (I am not a polly so not e
80 QANTAS077 : lol..don't show your ignorance! tax reform of the 10000 page tax system of Australia with the GST? GST isn't reform its a bloody revenue earner...any
81 CupraIbiza : So what is the ALPs tax reform?
82 Baroque : Let us keep it civilized and informative folks. It is obviously a matter of intense interest to all or at least most of those posting here. One proble
83 CupraIbiza : I agree the GST was a half baked measure. Relying on the states to reduce their taxes was also a mistake in hindsight. A good start would be to fix ne
84 Baroque : I knew there was something grinding away in my mind it was "reverse gear". That is a total distortion of common sense and has been allowed to distort
85 CupraIbiza : Yep its the distortions that well distort the the tax rates. and encourage people to negoiate a car allowance and to buy that little investment proper
86 Post contains links Baroque : Have you got a spy camera in here - again!! I have an appointment Monday with a specialist, only takes three months from being referred to get to see
87 CupraIbiza : Oh please dont do that. I dont think I could read your posts anymore if you did that! As for the articile we all know that the tax cuts are just brac
88 Baroque : No, I missed that - so far, but will watch for it. Howard does not look as much in control as he used to be. Could that be his age? Well, yes it cert
89 L-188 : I feel that way every time some European says Clinton was great or GW is evil. You really should consider privatizing your medical system like we hav
90 StealthZ : First points against Rudd, referring to Mr Howard as Mr Carr(former Labor premier of NSW) was a bit of a faux pas
91 QFA380 : Interesting, that last bit about new leadership, Johnny was going alright at the start, then crashed and burned (excuse grammar), while Kevin was as h
92 Baroque : Where have you been? Oh, if you think US medicine is high quality and cheap, it must be a strange place indeed. We might have problems with our healt
93 LAXspotter : and yet Australia is 10,000 miles and 22 hours from Europe
94 QANTAS077 : then don't ask Europe to go into battle with you if you don't want them to have an opinion on your politics... thank god...and 22hrs from Washington!
95 StealthZ : Seems the swinging voters that control the "worm" tend to swing to one side. Tended towards the negative when Howard spoke(with some encouraging pluss
96 Baroque : Grrrr, I did not think to flick across to nine while I DVDed the ABC. Give us a twist by twist account!! Go on, you know you will enjoy it. Howard di
97 Baroque : SMH has a poll at John Howard - 20% Kevin Rudd - 73% Neither - 7% Total Votes: 3764 I still wonder why Howard went for one long debate. I don't think
98 CupraIbiza : Howard got smoked. I have never seen such a one sided debate before. He should have stuck to his guns and not allowed the worm. He must hate the worm
99 TSV : For me the "Great Debate" just reinforced what I wrote in Reply 57 even if I believe it was pretty much 50/50 and not as one sided as the polls indica
100 Baroque : I can see the update headlines for the SMH poll will read. "Howard make strong late surge" "Momentum now with Howard" because an update of the SMH po
101 TSV : You didn't miss much. The bit I saw it was always positive whenever Rudd was speaking and always negative whenever Howard was speaking (and taking ev
102 Baroque : Yep, it looks as if Peter Costalot has really established himself! I did not think he advanced his cause at all on Insiders. It looks as if hard ques
103 QANTAS077 : I think the defining moment was when the leaders had the chance to ask each other a question... John Howard to Kevin Rudd - 'If your serious about cli
104 Springbok747 : Yeah the worm was funny...going all red and negative the moment Howard opened his mouth. Howard may have lost this debate. But he has lost before...a
105 Baroque : Really QF077, how many times do you have to be reminded of this country's priorities? First we must check that everything is OK with Mr Bush, otherwi
106 CupraIbiza : hmm me thinks the reason is the meeting would have been ice cold. That could be another reason
107 Baroque : That comment was actually QF077 but I am relaxed and comfortable with it, say he adjusting his slippers. Frozen hydrogen might be closer! However, sh
108 Bill142 : I heard that the worm started to go up before Rudd even started speaking.
109 CupraIbiza : Sorry I zigged when I should have zagged when copying. I dont think Dubbya will be bothered. He is outta there soon enough. It did. there has been al
110 StealthZ : A question about the worm and the "swinging voters" that controlled it. I understand they cannot be identified, but what were the screening criteria t
111 CupraIbiza : Well this is the question. Apparently the Libs didnt sanction the use of the worm, so by extension they didnt sanction who the worm controllers were.
112 Baroque : FWIW one of the folk interviewed on Lateline opined (either Megalo or Bolt, cos it would not have been comrade Gerard!!) that a fair part of the worm
113 TSV : Well he described himself as an "unemployed Diplomat who can speak Mardarin". And I can tell you that if he keeps trotting that out combined with the
114 Baroque : Hmmm, being fair about that bit, he was effectively accused of being a Union thug so he was going through the background of a number of his front ben
115 Post contains links QANTAS077 : who knows mate, but I think you'll find that swinging voters may just be as fed up with John Howard as ALP voters are...The reason why Rudd rated wit
116 CupraIbiza : doesnt feel like it when live in a super safe seat like many do. I am sure the public toilets in Eden-Monaro would have gold toilet seats
117 QANTAS077 : pork at its finest...makes you wonder when the government hands out $500 to pensioners just before an election but didn't stop to think they were str
118 CupraIbiza : They got $500 at the last budget as well.
119 Baroque : I get the feeling that even more the ALP eyes are "narrowing" as they get JH more clearly in their sights. I cannot remember a set of polls such as t
120 QANTAS077 : yes..I know that, but where was it 2 years ago? so did the worm..and Costello on 730 report last night still couldn't figure out why the worm went so
121 QANTAS077 : the pensioner bribe works out to be around $8 a week...lol! I think they need a little more than that, John?
122 Zeke : One of my Australian friends emailed me this .... While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Werribee farmer whose hand was caught in a gate wh
123 QANTAS077 : CPI is out with underlying inflation of 1.0%, September quarter of 0.9% and a yearly figure of 3.0%....look forward to another rate rise on Cup day?
124 Baroque : That had me rocking with mirth, but I had to save some for the statements about what he would do to banks if they cited the US prime problems as a re
125 QANTAS077 : Howard still sticking with the 17% nominal myth, when anyone with half a brain knows the real rate was 9% adjusted for inflation. Still lower than wh
126 Baroque : Mmmmm well, good point. Just as Rudd picked up on that theme much more than any of his predecessors, maybe the inflation adjusted argument will be wh
127 Baroque : Good grief, what a week, now Terence Cole has emerged to opine about corrupt payments - vide AWB. His contribution will be about as welcome as if it h
128 CupraIbiza : There was article in todays Herald Sun. Basically it said that if the polls are followed on election day Lexi Downer will be leader of the opposition
129 QANTAS077 : sounds familiar doesn't it? just like when Howard carries on about the 17% rates under Hawke...what was the world economy doing back then? Howard is
130 Baroque : Mostly good or bad it is the world that dominates. That is why it is so pathetic puffing himself up over the Aus economy from 1992 on. Keating might
131 CupraIbiza : Totally agree that Hawke/Keating did a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to reforming the economy. I always found it interesting that the ALP wer
132 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.alp.org.au/ http://www.liberal.org.au/ what an interesting comparison...ALP is loaded with policy while the Liberals do nothing but bash th
133 Post contains links Baroque : I was trying to post a link to Annabel Crabb's description of Howard's week, but alas, they have last week's article in archives in the SMH but not to
134 QANTAS077 : Howard had been championing interest rates for years now, today on Perth radio he wouldn't entertain a single question about interest rates! 9 rate ri
135 Baroque : I wonder if Wayne Swann will get any traction with the "pay out of savings" line for new promises. I don't know whether they would manage to do that,
136 JCS17 : I agree. Nothing is worse than a burgeoning Australian Dollar and an economy that has never been better. Labour panders to the lowest common denomina
137 CupraIbiza : Yep that needs to go. But then so does the Medicare penalty for not having health insurance. Time for a clean sheet of paper. Like I mentioned earlie
138 QANTAS077 : so your asserting that The Australian is a ALP biased paper? get off the gin champ..its a Murdoch paper and most of them are aligned with the governm
139 Baroque : Yes and yes, although while agreeing that neg gearing needs to go, I am not entirely sure how to do it. I would have thought phasing out more than on
140 QANTAS077 : Rudd should be debating Costello and Costello should be telling us who his treasurer would be if the Liberals win the election.
141 Post contains links SpinalTap : YouTube videos impact campaign commentary - ABC These are a couple that I liked from Hugh Atkin's YouTube channel
142 Post contains images Baroque : Stop press, there are unconfirmed rumours tonight that there are fear campaigns being conducted. No doubt Mr Hockey will have been misinterpreted with
143 QANTAS077 : and guess who Howard was campaigning with yesterday in Parramatta, unionist Colin Robinson... I've not seen many ALP TV ads this campaign, clever mov
144 Baroque : It it was one of LR's beloved cricket matches, it begins to look as if Rudd's side will win due to the unusually high score being achieved by the fam
145 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/p...19.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1 I think these 2 questions sum up everything that I hate about John Howard...
146 Post contains links Baroque : I begin to think the Lord and Master no longer reads the SMH with his breakfast, what so ere he cooks up that particular day. A read of the Monday 29
147 QANTAS077 : his latest bid is technical college funding, this from the man who's bled the TAFE industry dry for the past 10+ years! The institutions are there alr
148 VHVXB : looks like his takeover of Tasmania's Mersy Hospital is on the verge of collape due to AWAs
149 Post contains links QANTAS077 : more info please... http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/29/2073659.htm no matter, I found it..can't believe they didn't get the Health Dpt to
150 Post contains images Baroque : That is quite funny, Howard hoisted on an AWA. Oh frabjous day, calloo callay, he chortled. QF077 this is par for the course, he governs in a very sl
151 Post contains links QANTAS077 : what do we all think of the man running against Julia Gillard... likes science, hates homosexuals...and he's supposedly a pastor! http://www.theage.co
152 Post contains images Baroque : Cannot spare time for him too busy laughing at the Mad Monk. He just proved, he is, well, MAD!!! I wonder how many more they are who could match that
153 Post contains links Flyboysp : Ninemsn poll predicts Labor landslide The Australian Labor Party will romp to a landslide victory at the coming election, and Prime Minister John Howa
154 Baroque : Just as well you gave a summary! "This article has now expired." I wonder if his master has demanded it be removed! Probably it will not be what any
155 Gemuser : Unfortunately the article you linked has expired and is no longer available, so I can only comment on what you wrote and what is on the web site. I d
156 Post contains links Flyboysp : I'll try it again http://optuszoo.news.ninemsn.com.au/...nisiteelection&rss=yes&_cobr=optus Here is some more ineteresting information, courtesy of Th
157 Post contains links Baroque : I think you need to put another 10 cents in the Optuszoo link as it has still expired!! Could this be a metaphor for a certain party?? However, yr se
158 TSV : "FUNDING"! Remember he's getting on a bit and is a bit hard of hearing and sight so I think he though he heard or read "CK" instead of "ND"!
159 Baroque : Peter the garrulous. Thanks a lot - mate! Still some have supposed that this might make up in Green waverers what it might lose in those who still ret
160 CupraIbiza : by this do you also mean it is essential for little or nothing else? is he the "me too for now, change it later guy"?
161 Baroque : If you mean it is a status thing, no!! The strict meaning of status is that you have standing. Without standing at Bali, it matters not a great deal
162 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.rba.gov.au/MediaReleases/2007/mr_07_20.html Glenn Stevens pulls a few punches....
163 Baroque : Hard to tell how this will pan out, but if today was the left jab, I am sure the economists are going to keep mentioning that the right hook is comin
164 Post contains images LAXspotter : Can anyone tell me what the "Worm" is, in the Australian Presidential Debate
165 CupraIbiza : Also we dont have a president here (much to the ire of all those who wish we were a republic) From Wikipedia The "worm" is a market research analysis
166 Post contains links and images Baroque : There are many humorous answers we could give you as Howard for some strange reason does not like it. Basically it is a line along the base of the sc
167 Post contains images LAXspotter : Darn it, what a pathetic mistake on my part. I grew up in a Paliamentary Democracy, ofcourse its PM. BTW, howard "banning" the worm; isnt it illegal
168 Post contains images Baroque : Aside from Koch giving me asthma, happily the channel 7 pic is poor quality unless I bestir myself and move my aerial. So easier to leave it where it
169 CupraIbiza : You mean something like the audience using the worm wasnt entirely imparftial?
170 Qantas077 : not illegal unless the worm goes Howard's way...it was used on CH9 broadcast. saw their ad today...CH7 to politics and election nights is what Ivan M
171 Post contains links and images Baroque : Mmmmm! Not sure how to take that. I still worry about dear Ivan. Over the period when he was operating I had quite a few honours students mapping in
172 CupraIbiza : I am glad you have raised the "flip side" 1/3rd of Australians have a mortgage, the other 2/3rds either rent or own their homes outright. So 2/3rds o
173 Baroque : Order in some more chips as a precaution!! Or perhaps a bag of Jaffas. Maltezers, any other offers? The about-1/3-that-rent are going to be/or should
174 Post contains links QANTAS077 : its that 1/3 that are NOW paying more money then at any other time on their mortgage... http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22721616-5012863,00.html
175 CupraIbiza : Doesnt the interest rate bear only a tiny factor in this. I would have thought the fact an average house cost $100,000 then and costs $500,000 now ha
176 QANTAS077 : and you think that the last 2 rate rises haven't had an impact? $16 for every hundred thousand borrowed and that's on this rise alone, then take into
177 CupraIbiza : Two points. If the issue is high oil prices due to the state of the world or high banana prices because of the drought then that is the issue Point 2
178 Post contains links QANTAS077 : 20 years ago I wasn't spending $2500 a month to service a mortgage...even today the average wage is still NOT enough for the average mortgage. who wa
179 CupraIbiza : are you serious?? You are blaming the government for giving people money? cars televisions computers Did Keating apologise?? No of course he didnt. B
180 Bill142 : And ironically it's the state Labor governments who aren't releasing the land to be built on fast enough thus keeping house prices high.
181 Post contains links Baroque : I welcome assistance with my memory, but as I recall, once Whitlam (that dreaded word) took over, one of his ministers was mad keen on the burbs and
182 QANTAS077 : ironically enough when they do its those Liberal developers that buy up the land, sit on it for a year, then turn around and sell it for double the p
183 Baroque : Somewhere in all that, I feel he must really, really be sorry, but just cannot bear to admit even that he is sorry for himself. Whoever has to conced
184 CupraIbiza : Because they will be in that warm and fuzzy place called "Denial" What is this?? The Nanny state? People need to take responsibility for their action
185 Post contains images Baroque : More or less, the less being during the reign of Whitlam the Great. Or more particularly a Minister for something-that-no-longer-exists-so-I-find-it-
186 Bill142 : Changing laws or making release conditions would prevent that. The Governments in control of the land aren't doing a lot to ease the problem. Keeping
187 Post contains links QANTAS077 : political debate with you is like debating with old curly...its about ensuring that there were safeguards attached with the policy so as buyers didn'
188 Post contains links CupraIbiza : Its not ana anology its a fact. You were saying th only thing on my previous lists that were cheaper were computers. Yep. coz its better than 11% une
189 Post contains links QANTAS077 : wow..I remember 12% inflation, 12% unemployment and 22% interest rates all at the same time, what's your point? what do you think the REAL unemployme
190 Post contains images Baroque : Cannot dredge up a reference at short notice, but youth unemployment NOW in the Illawarra is somewhere between 20% and 30%. This is why the tourist t
191 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,22734203-5012863,00.html staggering..no wonder we're a less productive nation now than at any other time.
192 Post contains images Baroque : Over there in the Congo, you just don't realise how productive these illegal "agreements" are making us. Like interest rates rising, illegal "agreeme
193 QANTAS077 : anyone see Lateline? Caroline Overington from The Australian offering Dani Ecuyer front page coverage in The Australian in return for preferencing Tur
194 Post contains images Baroque : Hang on QF077, that is only part of todays trifecta. How unlucky to have the coalition policy release coincide with: 1. el Haq being acquitted and AS
195 Post contains links QANTAS077 : disgraceful case and treatment and still he's in limbo..Andrews is the joker if there ever was one! I prefer The Age, but its practically the same he
196 QANTAS077 : amazing how Howard said yesterday that Australia needs to move from a welfare state to an opportunity society then goes and hands out upper-class welf
197 Post contains images Baroque : No, no no QF077, welfare is what you call your entitlements when they are given to someone else that you do not approve of.
198 Post contains images QANTAS077 : I just love my taxes being spent on private school education..not
199 Post contains images FlashFlyGuy : Brilliant..and these are daily purchases? Food prices are through the roof !!! And ironically it's the Feds that aren't releasing perfectly good hous
200 Baroque : The Headmaster of a prominent Melb private school was reported by ABC as not liking the coalition policy as says the money would be better spent on b
201 Post contains links QANTAS077 : I heard it on PM, principal at Melbourne Grammar was suspicious of governments spending this much money so close to election day. http://www.abc.net.
202 QANTAS077 : precisely why I didn't watch it...we live in a country full of tree-swingers who really have no business casting a vote let alone having a bank accou
203 Baroque : Thanks for that. I searched, even with Paul Sheahan's name. So 'twas the cricketer. Now Howard will have to take notice!! I sort of missed PM as I wa
204 Post contains links QANTAS077 : here is a little bit more on what the Kings school principal thinks...no fuck me, if you can afford $36,000 a year for boarding then why on earth shou
205 Post contains links Flyboysp : For those interested, here is a link to live streaming of the Labor campaign launch http://news.ninemsn.com.au/livestreaming.aspx?id=322836
206 QANTAS077 : about bloody time Rudd nailed Howard and his spending and being Mr 22% interest rates! bravo...
207 Flyboysp : I loved this line from Rudd 'Mr Howard has no plans for the future because he's not going to be there ... it's official, he's going to retire'.
208 Baroque : It would be almost worth re-electing Howard to watch him hang on and on and cause Costalot more and more conniptions. How is it that nobody has figur
209 QANTAS077 : I loved this one from Rudd... Mr Howard thinks giving computers to school children is exotic! spot on with that analysis!
210 CupraIbiza : Be careful what you wish for!
211 Post contains images Flyboysp : Remember, he said almost
212 Flyboysp : Is it just me or did the video prior to Kevin Rudds speech, appear to be Big Brotheresque in its manner.
213 Baroque : Dunno, could be but also a bit like Whitey from Animal Farm. I just hope he is not like this if he wins. Indeed I did say almost. The Costalot connip
214 QANTAS077 : so baroque what are you think 9 days out from the election day? who has impressed you most with their launch, ALP or Liberal? I have a feeling that we
215 Baroque : Q1 - a bit of a confession. You know where it was commented that the electorate were not listening to Howard. In my case, that is correct. So I have
216 QANTAS077 : me neither...but I caught bits of it on 730 report and it sounded tired, Costello was falling asleep for godsake! to much clapping, about time the 3
217 Gemuser : Just NOW you realise that! I've hated his total hypocrisy since he was Frazier's treasurer and didn't do all the things Keating had to do afterwards,
218 QANTAS077 : I realised it long ago..just didn't know what it was that I didn't like about him and how to put it into words!
219 Post contains links QANTAS077 : look at what we have here... http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...story/0,25197,22763338-601,00.html
220 Post contains images Baroque : Another happy camper!! Wondered how long before QF posted about the slightly crooked pork barreling. What a turn up. I do get the feeling that there
221 Post contains links QANTAS077 : Nielsen poll out...46-54 with 100% polled having seen the Liberal policy launch and being factored in, only 10% were factored in with the ALP launch.
222 Baroque : It will be pretty amazing if the Libs do better than 46% tpp. If they do, the pollsters had better have a lot of explanations. There seems to be heff
223 Post contains links QANTAS077 : now what do we have here? http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22768222-661,00.html
224 Post contains images Flyboysp : I wonder how Howard and the "grub" will try get out of this one.
225 Post contains links and images Flyboysp : Now time for the lighter side of the election campaign. The great political personality poll We've heard endlessly about leadership, economic manageme
226 Baroque : " target=_blank>http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto....html The smaller of yesterday's two heffalump traps. Probably only catch Tony and maybe a Hoc
227 Baroque : " target=_blank>http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto....html The smaller of yesterday's two heffalump traps. Probably only catch Tony and maybe a Hock
228 Post contains links Flyboysp : This will be the elction specila in the sunday telegraph today. Poll goes down to the wire JOHN Howard has reeled in Kevin Rudd's huge poll lead but L
229 Post contains links Baroque : Mmmmm! Might be. By contrast the SMH has: http://www.smh.com.au/news/federal-e...away/2007/11/18/1195321609208.html "Lib heartland slips away" So som
230 QANTAS077 : two words for you all..it's time!
231 Post contains links Baroque : Fairfax seem to figure these two words are about right, and seem to be leaning further as time goes by. Also read Ross Gittins in todays SMH for a de
232 Post contains images Baroque : My word, I am impressed by the power that Rudd can bring to bear. Single handed, or only with the help of a few unionists, he will be able to bring th
233 Post contains links Flyboysp : An update on some new newspoll polling. Newspoll shows small gains for coalition Labor has entered the final stretch of the election campaign with a c
234 Baroque : Interesting phrasing by the papers reporting their polls is it not? The coalition has on about 4 occasions now shown an improvement to 46% of the TPP
235 QANTAS077 : crucial is the Liberals 41%, this has NOT moved north since the campaign began....now look at Insiders poll average for the 4 major surveys. Have a l
236 Baroque : Having a certain interest in statistics, I find both sets slightly off-putting in that random tests should show a larger scatter (although these numb
237 Post contains links QANTAS077 : neck & neck with Hockey and Greens are said too be polling well in North Sydney... Turnbull will probably lose his seat, Greens are polling 17% prima
238 Baroque : Question - serious at that. How is it that bad news for Howard arrives every day in this election, sometimes in triplets whereas in previous campaign
239 Post contains links QANTAS077 : perhaps it could be explained by dodgy deals with Turnbull & Australian Rain Co and a $10 million grant...ARC has none other than Murdoch's nephew on
240 Baroque : Yes, that is an extraordinary tale. Back to Joh and his water powered car. How do we get lumbered with the scientifically illiterate. Then again, Boy
241 Post contains links QANTAS077 : now we have this bullshit from Andrew Robb...interesting that Paul Bongiorno just on Ch10 said this: 'Garry Parr who is running in Hinkler is, accordi
242 Qantas077 : Howard got smashed by O'brien tonight on the 7:30 report, never wants to talk about the past except when it suits him! fuck he really is a rodent...
243 Baroque : Nice closing bit by Kezza. Caused me to Title the recording on the DVD Last Howard interview on 7.30 report - hope I have not produced a jinx there!!
244 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...7/11/21/2097414.htm?section=justin and now we have this disgraceful piece of electioneering from certain member
245 TBCITDG : Come on Ruddddddyyyy!!!!!! Wish him and the Labour party all the success on Saturday!
246 Post contains links QANTAS077 : and guess who is also involved in this false advertising campaign? none other than Kelly's husband! http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/21/2097
247 Post contains images Baroque : I thought that might cause conniptions in your left nipple QF. Only question is, how did the Labor party find out about it, apart from by taking phot
248 Post contains links QANTAS077 : our other friends have been out on the hustings in Tasmania... http://www.theage.com.au/news/federa...aign/2007/11/20/1195321782056.html its fucking
249 Post contains images Baroque : Amazing what you can get away with if you are religious enough! I wondered when the brethren would turn up. A draftswoman who drew maps for me in the
250 TBCITDG : Baroque: On the contrary, instead of stating policies and reasons why people on the fence should be voting Liberal, Howard will have to spend all his
251 QANTAS077 : haven't seen it but if she's making out its nothing then it seems to me she had prior knowledge... if it was a joke then why not use their own logo?
252 Post contains links and images VHVXB : hmm she was syaing it was a "Chaser style stunt". Biggest load of shit i've heard in my life http://news.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/...=6046§ionname
253 QANTAS077 : she's a lying rag, I just heard her on AM with Chris Uhlmann hammering her and she is laughing it off, waiting for Michelle Grattan and her analysis.
254 Post contains links QANTAS077 : CBA is about to raise their rates again.. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,25197,22801968-12377,00.html
255 QANTAS077 : and guess who's next to be expelled from the Liberal party over this affair... Karen Chijoff's husband!
256 StealthZ : mmm, I posted earlier in this thread about Ms Gillard and her links with criminal union leaders and the skeletons that may still be in the closet and
257 Post contains images Baroque : That is about what I thought I was writing but as is my wont I did perhaps phrase it a little opaquely, perhaps already thinking of the LRs explanati
258 Post contains links Flyboysp : Poll shows Coalition closing on Labor THE Coalition's election hopes have been bolstered by a poll putting it closer to Labor than any time during the
259 Baroque : Yep, I will pick one of those!! That is not the first time he has addressed Mr Speaker. My guess is that there is a 60% chance he has done that for t
260 QANTAS077 : it will be a rout, I'll stick with Richardson's comments earlier this week and Margo Kingston's tonight on Difference of Opinion, Howard fucked himsel
261 Post contains links Baroque : A propos of which, Annabel Crabb offers this: http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/j...face/2007/11/22/1195321948268.html "The wheel is turning, but th
262 Post contains links Baroque : http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/23/2099148.htm "Pollster tips cliffhanger, recounts" "A polls analyst from Newspoll is expecting tomorrow's
263 Post contains links Flyboysp : Ninemsn mega poll predicts labor landslide Labor leader Kevin Rudd will emerge as the next prime minister of Australia tomorrow night with voters regi
264 QANTAS077 : I think that is a total bullshit and nothing more than News doing its best to give the government momentum in what has been a shit final week, how th
265 Post contains links Melpax : Nice family home in Kirribilli for sale..... http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2006832414
266 Baroque : Well, something is very odd. As you suggest, the money is less likely to tell porkies. I wonder where Malcolm has invested his money. He could just a
267 Kieron747 : Is it true that in Australia voting is compulsary and you are fined if you don't show? K
268 Melpax : Yep. A couple of years back, I forgot to vote in my local council elections. A month or so later, a fine for $50 for not voting arrived in the mail..
269 Baroque : One way or another, I doubt if too many Aus electors on this thread are going to fall foul of this law on this particular occasion. Much rushing to g
270 Kieron747 : I'll be honest with you. I was walking in the Strand in London and I saw all the commotion outside the Australian embassy (fine building by the way)
271 CXfirst : Hope it's a liberal win -CXfirst
272 Post contains links Baroque : Nice to know that they are not letting anyone escape if they walk near the High Comm!! Here is the Electoral commission link: http://www.aec.gov.au/E
273 Post contains images Kieron747 : Interesting post Baroque. It is true though about those outside the High Commission (sorry for my mistake earlier calling it the embassy!). There wer
274 Post contains links and images Baroque : You get used to pouring the tea upwards while standing on yr head after a while. I think some of the personnel you saw were probably from GETUP, an o
275 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Well going to be interesting, everyone ive spoken to have all said they are voting Labor no hesitation. I think the most important and biggest elector
276 QANTAS077 : two words for you and your non-voting opinion, shove it! you know nothing of our politics so don't come on here and tell us who you hope to win. I'm
277 GREATANSETT : Well i can vote and Im voting Liberal, QANTAS077 you can shove it
278 QANTAS077 : that's nice...you've earned that right! stunned though when you consider that the government did nothing to help Ansett in its dying days....then aga
279 Baroque : So, just off to remove the minor bit of doubt associated with my vote. Not that it matters in Cunningham, but Mike Organ is a good guy so worth suppo
280 QANTAS077 : yes that is the most crucial vote...I really don't want Howard (if re-elected) having total control again, nothing positive comes from having zero ch
281 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/e-day/#comments possum has his say...
282 Baroque : The deed is done. And being sorry for the 50 or so folk standing in a queue in the light rain, for the first time ever for the Senate, I voted above t
283 QANTAS077 : stuff the AWB, what about the Lindsay disgrace? taking their constituents for mugs and thinking that they're racist and would be conned into voting f
284 QFA380 : I have a feeling the Libs are going to win again. Nearly everyone I know is voting Lib and they all hate Labor with a passion. If Kevin wins they'll b
285 Post contains images QANTAS077 : he's a student in Australia from overseas... is that like the "I told you so" about interest rates?
286 Post contains images Baroque : Hopefully a non-voter even though he lists location as Perth. Even allowing for the 2-3 hour time difference, being in the 13-15 age group likely mak
287 QFA380 : Well my politically inclined mind didn't really pay much attention in 04. I didn't care, just as most 15 year olds don't care. Studying the AFR every
288 QANTAS077 : why are you scared of the unions? Joe Hockey said they are now irrelevant so what's there to fear? I wonder what response you'd get from Bernie Banto
289 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22813949-29277,00.html how this bitch ever won a Walkley is beyond me?
290 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://news.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/...=6046§ionname=minisiteelection finally, she's been found!
291 Post contains links Flyboysp : And to lighten things up around here, please enjoy this Star Wars election spoof. http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...y/0,22049,22813750-5001021,00
292 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://www2.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=202770 exit polls look good for the ALP...time will tell.
293 QFA380 : This is looking like it could be a Labor. My own seat of Cowper which to me was a fairly safe seat has just be won by a Labor man. It hasn't been held
294 QANTAS077 : swing is huge, only state is Queensland that we have to wait for and then we'll have confirmation if its a big enough swing...well its more than 5%.
295 Flyboysp : I have been channel surfing between the ABC,7 and 9 and there vast discrepancies between them regarding seats won. I just saw a graphic showing the 76
296 QANTAS077 : swing is bigger than that...out to nearly 6% nationally, it will be a large win if it holds.
297 QFA380 : From my previous post I mistaked 9 for 7. 9 has a good coverage using the American tv principle of 'fill the screen with as much crap as possible', wh
298 Flyboysp : I sure hope so. I would prefer the swing to be definitive, as i think Howard would have a few choice words towards Labor if Labor if they win by a nar
299 Flyboysp : Apparently Anthony Green has called the ellection in favour of Labor with 78 seats.
300 Baroque : I wonder if the statements about it being winnable for the Coalition will turn out to be the LRs last lies. Julia knew what was on from polls so LR m
301 QANTAS077 : WA, just started so I won't know, mine is Swan! now out to 82 - 68 so its a big majority for ALP.
302 QANTAS077 : some early results from Swan (my seat) and the swing is on to Labor, 5.4%... Hasluck has a 7.7% swing to ALP so that is a gain. Stirling & Kalgoorlie
303 Flyboysp : Which channel did you get this info from?
304 Flyboysp : Howards biographer on 9 has called it now for Labor, with Howard saying goodbye to bennelong According to 9, Labor has 80 seats. [Edited 2007-11-24 01
305 QANTAS077 : abc Breaking News ABC election analyst Antony Green predicts 14-seat majority Labor government. where is Lord Downer?
306 ANstar : Good riddence to him too! Seriously... I do think it is time he reitired... 11 years in any job is surely time for a change.... I'm not syaing it sho
307 Flyboysp : A nice power move IMO from Rudd by waiting for Howard to concede.
308 QANTAS077 : is he any closer to doing it? not his seat but the election?
309 FlashFlyGuy : Refusing to talk to the media....probably a blubbering mess in a corner somewhere.
310 Post contains links QFA380 : Exactly. The Liberal party is becoming bloated with politicians who know nothing. In 3 years time the Liberal party will be nice and slim with a stro
311 QANTAS077 : well done Maxine Mckew!
312 Flyboysp : I have no idea, but i think he will draw it out for a bit longer. I thought he would have done it soon, after security finished doing checks of the W
313 Flyboysp : Channel 7 is claiming that Howard has phoned Rudd and conceded defeat.
314 ANstar : Here Here! Very well spoken... and loved her speech where she mentioned her mum and her service a as teacher.
315 Vhqpa : In my electorate (Dickson) the 2 party preferred vote indicates: ALP 50.34 LIB 49.66 9.23 swing to ALP J
316 Gemuser : Sorry QFAA380 but your step dad is telling porkie pies. Unionism has NEVER been legally mandatory. There DID use to be "closed shops" where only unio
317 Post contains images QFA380 : Hi Gemuser. Important things first happy 4th birthday on a.net!! The Libs do portray the unions as evil bastards that deserve to die. If there wasn't
318 ANstar : hmmm, I'm in 2 minds about unions... I find they go a little over board at times and are completely unrealistic in regards to pay demands.... I can re
319 Flyboysp : It's in the unions best interest to not carry on now, the way in which they have behaved previously. They cant go back to that because it wont/ is not
320 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Continue here Please Australian Election Results (by Mal787 Nov 24 2007 in Non Aviation)
321 Baroque : If you step dad has some free time, I just love fairy stories!! When Labor was in power under Hawkie, that was when union power was cut and it was wh
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