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George W. Bush Meets Dalai Lama  
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

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US President George W Bush has met the Dalai Lama, despite strong objections from the Chinese government.

It was the third meeting in six years between the president and the 72-year-old Tibetan spiritual leader.

On Wednesday, Mr Bush will attend a ceremony at the US Capitol where the Dalai Lama will receive a Congressional Gold Medal, the top US civilian award.

A Chinese spokesman has urged the US "to correct the mistakes and to cancel the arrangements".

Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7046445.stm

It's not often that I give Bush a thumps-up, but here he's certainly done the right thing. Nice to see the US government taking a stand against the ridiculous threats from Beijing.


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

I agree - China can stick it where the sun don't shine on anything related to either Tibet or its exiled luminaries worthy of only the highest respect humanity can accord.

And on the latter note I can't begin to imagine why he'd ever seek to have audience with President Bush. Just another reason the Dalai Lama is a better man than I...



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User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

I have always beleived the Chinese can go bang a gong right off the side of a cliff as far as I am concerned. Well done G dub!


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

Quoting N710PS (Reply 2):
I have always beleived the Chinese can go bang a gong right off the side of a cliff as far as I am concerned.

How ethno of you...don't confuse individual people with their government.  Yeah sure



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting Rara (Thread starter):
It's not often that I give Bush a thumps-up, but here he's certainly done the right thing. Nice to see the US government taking a stand against the ridiculous threats from Beijing.

Indeed, but unfortunately, this won't stop the US from continuing their trade relations with the Mainland.

In the case of Costa Rica and its somewhat odd relationship with both the Mainland and Taiwan, Costa Rica has suddenly broken ties with Taiwan (even though Costa Rica was one of the few countries that fully recognised Taiwan as a sovereign state, plus even President Chen came for Arias's inauguration last year) and resumed relations with the Mainland. Hell, the Chinese Ambassador's house is just across the street from Oscar Arias's residence here in Pavas. The curious thing is that, Costa Rica has gotten money and donations from the Taiwanese for social projects, for construction of the Tempisque bridge (which basically eliminates the old ferry service to cross the Tempisque), healthcare and for new vehicles for the police, and all of this seems to be now forgotten with the new relationship with communist China.

This has proven to me even more that relations with the Chinese mainland will always be something odd and/or controversial.

[Edited 2007-10-16 19:21:32]

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
How ethno of you...don't confuse individual people with their government

hahaahah, well said.

Quoting N710PS (Reply 2):
Well done G dub!

Its just a move to strengthen the Christian Coaliation/Religious Right. When GW takes a stance against China's anti-religious policies, and commends a respectable leader like the Dalai Lama, it makes a lot of people happy. If they were so appalled by China's human rights records, arguably one of the worst in the world, we would impose sanctions on them, but since our destiny is tied to theirs, its not gonna happen.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineSaturnvrocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Quoting N710PS (Reply 2):
I have always beleived the Chinese can go bang a gong right off the side of a cliff as far as I am concerned. Well done G dub!

Wow. You are so intelligent.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Hey, I think it's great the GWB would meet with a religious leader who espouses many different things than does Christianity. Then again, does it?

Who of you knows? Who of you, as a Christian can claim you are correct, and Buddhism is wrong?

Who here has studied Buddhism?

I've seen a great number of posts about how McCain is fair in claiming that the next PotUS should be a Christian. Are you aware that a Buddhist can be Christian, Hindu, Muslim, or otherwise? What constitutes a legitimate religion in your eyes?

Is Buddhism a religion?

Finally, a thread that falls into my area of study for the past 15 years. No doubt, I'm a thread killer...


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):
Finally, a thread that falls into my area of study for the past 15 years. No doubt, I'm a thread killer

LOL, no doubt when you started firing

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):
Who of you, as a Christian can claim you are correct, and Buddhism is wrong?

you quicky changed the thread, from the visit of the Dalai Lama to Christianity vs. Buddhism  Big grin

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):
Buddhist can be Christian, Hindu, Muslim, or otherwise

he sure can, but those religions dont allow for another belief, hence a buddhist can be Muslim or Christian, but I dont think a Christian or a Muslim can be a Buddhist



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
How ethno of you...don't confuse individual people with their government. Yeah sure

He wasn't talking about individual people. He was talking about the Chinese, probably meaning the country of China.

It may not be democracy, but it is government by consent. If mainstream Chinese culture is upset with its abuses of religious freedom, it could say so. So far, nothing. Or, are they just too frightened, all billion of them?

To throw up your hands and say "governments do this, and do that" without giving people any responsibility, does not generally hold water. _Someone_ is responsible for these ridiculous, bone-chilling tirades against the Dalai Lama, and I favor all possible insults against _those_ people. Is it all Chinese, no. But it seems to be the ones in charge of writing the newspapers, and so on.

People (as collectives) do hold some responsibility for their government. In the USA's case, it's voters who voted in the ruling bloc. In China's case, there is also some responsibility. Mostly, China is a good world citizen. Its people should be proud. However, it also has problems and its people are responsible for that, too.

I used to think it's good enough to shrug and say "I didn't vote for that guy." But, if that's all people did, shrug and pass the buck, our problems wouldn't get fixed. The USA would not have been founded. The British monarchy would still be an absolute ruler. And so on.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21526 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
Or, are they just too frightened, all billion of them?

Entirely possible. China has an awful human rights record, and I would not want to end up in one of their prisons. As long as the whole Dalai Lama thing doesn't affect me, why would I take the chance?

-Mir



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
and I would not want to end up in one of their prisons

dont they have public executions of prisoners in Stadiums? or am I horribly wrong.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Well, that did not take long. I was not referring to the people but the goverment. So with that in mind might I reccomend a good exercise to loosen the muscles that are propping you so firm in your seat in future? And Thank you Flighty as you obviously get the point. Unfortuneately there are some on this site who live for debate and critical judgements alone.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21526 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
dont they have public executions of prisoners in Stadiums? or am I horribly wrong.

They might have used to. Or they still might. I have heard they have mobile death chambers in vans that go around executing people. Nobody knows exactly how many they execute, but it's a lot - I've heard estimates of 15,000 per year.

Not a justice system you want to screw with.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Quoting Rara (Thread starter):
It's not often that I give Bush a thumps-up, but here he's certainly done the right thing. Nice to see the US government taking a stand against the ridiculous threats from Beijing.

Three weeks ago Merkel was the first German chancellor to meet with the Dalai Lama and the Chinese went furious about it canceled several diplomatic meetings. In chinese Blogs Merkel was called a witch etc.......but finally some Politicians give a statement on Tibet and human rights.



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User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 14):
Three weeks ago Merkel was the first German chancellor to meet with the Dalai Lama and the Chinese went furious about it canceled several diplomatic meetings.

Too bad they didn't impose embargo on selling fake BMW X5s and Smarts in Germany.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
I have heard they have mobile death chambers in vans that go around executing people.

They have a death penalty even for corruption. Could we rent one of those vans for couple of weeks, please?



Anyway, back to the topic:  thumbsup   thumbsup   thumbsup  to GWB for doing the right thing once in a while.

[Edited 2007-10-17 00:46:47]

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1319 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
It may not be democracy, but it is government by consent. If mainstream Chinese culture is upset with its abuses of religious freedom, it could say so. So far, nothing. Or, are they just too frightened, all billion of them?



Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
Entirely possible. China has an awful human rights record, and I would not want to end up in one of their prisons.

Actually Flighty is probably closer to the truth. The Chinese government is backed by a huge sentiment of consent in the population. If anything, most people blame their local administration, but wouldn't say a word against the central government.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1311 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
and I would not want to end up in one of their prisons

dont they have public executions of prisoners in Stadiums? or am I horribly wrong.

No, They hold show trials in e.g. stadiums or convention halls and then parade the condemned around, with their hands tied behind their backs and big signs hanging around their necks saying what they were sentenced for (especially if it is one of the regular happening campaigns where the government wants to show that it is tough e.g. against corruption or drugs), but the actual executions are always carried out in some remote place, e.g. a sand pit, a rifle range or a field, which is cordoned off with a several hundred meters radius by police, with no access to the public. The Chinese say that it would be cruel to execute criminals (especially by shooting) inside a prison, where the other prisoners can hear the bangs.

In the old days (Imperial China, the first Republic and also during the civil war, executions were usually carried out in the middle of busy streets or squares (often by beheading) to deter others.

Lately China has changed their penal code and has taken much power out of the hands of provincial courts. Acc. to the BBC, there have been stories of too many executions of innocent people. Now according to the article (which I can't be arsed to look for now since I have to go to work in a few minutes) all death sentences go automaticallyx to a court of appeal, which doublechecks the evidence. This has apparently greatly reduced the numbers of executions.

In the past the post of a judge was often given to retired military officers with little judical training, but this has apparently changed as well.

Jan

[Edited 2007-10-17 08:57:00]

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 1):
exiled luminaries worthy of only the highest respect humanity can accord.

Let's not get carried away.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21526 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 18):
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 1):
exiled luminaries worthy of only the highest respect humanity can accord.

Let's not get carried away.

It's not getting carried away. The description was pretty much spot on.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

I thought the Dalai Lama had standards - guess I was wrong...

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 20):
I thought the Dalai Lama had standards - guess I was wrong...

hhahahahaha, well public pressure consumed him.



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