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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1326 times:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1288779,00.html

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An Albanian man opened fire in an Italian courtroom, killing his estranged wife and one of her relatives before being shot dead by police.

The man was in the courtroom in Reggio Emilia, in northern Italy, for a hearing to legally separate from his wife, the ANSA news agency reported.

How did they get guns into the court room? Surprises me. Sad story.

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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

How can something like this happen with the strict gun laws European countries have? I guess he chose not to observe those laws.

Unfortunate.

Quoting Swiftski (Thread starter):
How did they get guns into the court room?

Metal detectors mean almost nothing, they are merely a feel-good measure in most cases short of airport security. There are MANY ways to get around them.


User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
How can something like this happen with the strict gun laws European countries have? I guess he chose not to observe those laws.

What is your point? Laws do not make sense, because they can be broken?
Gun laws have no effect, which is proven by 1 single incident?

But I agree with your 2nd statement:

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
Metal detectors mean almost nothing, they are merely a feel-good measure in most cases short of airport security. There are MANY ways to get around them.

Plus, Italy has a certain reputation on a rather lax discipline with security controls. No generalization intended, but in Italian football, there have been several incidents with items thrown or used inside the stadium that must never have gotten there. I remember one incident with a burning motor scooter being thrown towards the field of Milan's San Siro stadium.

Anyway, that said, the shooting in question here could basically happen anywhere, and no gun law in the whole wide world will be able to make sure that such things would never happen.

However, gun laws can help to reduce the frequency of such incidents, and unless my impression is wrong, that works quite alright here in good ol' Europe.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 14079 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
How can something like this happen with the strict gun laws European countries have? I guess he chose not to observe those laws.

Italy has a long, practically unguardable, coastline. Opposite, on the other side of the Adriatic, lies Albania and the former Yugoslavian countries. There is much human trafficking by small boats across the Adriatic from Albania to Italy.

Some ten years ago, therewas a civil war in most of former Yugoslavia and also a revolution in Albania. During this time government armouries were looted.
The Albania Mafia, has, together with the Russian one, the reputation of being the most ruthless in Europe (in so far as they have used violent methods to push the established local organised crime out of many areas of business all over Europe).
One area of business the Albanian Mafia deal with is gun smuggling. E.g. in Germany it is easier and cheaper to get an illegal Albanian or former Yugoslavian AK-47 than to get a licence for a legal hunting rifle.

Then, at least in rural areas of northern Albania, many people rather still obey a traditional code of conduct, which includes blood revenge, than regular law.

Jan


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
How can something like this happen with the strict gun laws European countries have? I guess he chose not to observe those laws.

Gun laws are great huh? They take the hands out of law abiding people and then you have someone who chooses not to follow an administrative law. Ah, the folly of these ways. It's so apparent yet so many across the world choose to ignore the obvious.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Gun laws are great huh?

I guess I should have included this with my post:  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

At last the deeply hidden secret ploy of treachery and intrique has been revealed. Queso is secretly and anti who has been posing as and RKBA advocate to learn our inner most secrets!!! Dun Dun DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!

User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
There are MANY ways to get around them.

Boondock Saints, anyone? Up and over the metal detector.



User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 6):

I guess I should have included this with my post:

Oh I got your sarcasm....good stuff. Just added on for effect.  Smile


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 7):
Queso is secretly and anti who has been posing as and RKBA advocate to learn our inner most secrets!!! Dun Dun DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Shhhhhh! Don't tell all those redneck NRA nutjobs I've been hanging around with!

Ever heard the phrase "From my cold, dead hands"?  Wink


User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Interesting incident, thankfully the gunman was brought down before he could hurt anyone else. Does anyone know if Italy uses armed officers in their courtrooms? And if not, maybe this incident could change that policy...?

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 10):
Does anyone know if Italy uses armed officers in their courtrooms? And if not, maybe this incident could change that policy...?

I don't know about Reggio Emilia, in northern Italy, but I have been in a court room in Palermo, Sicily and armed was the understatement of the century! The entry was a tank trap, with two tanks beyond it, everybody was armed with very large guns (no idea what type). There were 10 or 12 such armed men on the gate and just about every where inside the building.
Of course this was for Mafia trials in the 1990s, but certainly some Italian are "armed"!

Gemuser



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