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What College/university Should I Go To?  
User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Well, in one year I am going to be having to ask myself this question. So, I would try to make it a little bit less stressfull, and do some research now. I know I want major in International Business. Here are the colleges that I am looking at (if you attend, or know anyone who has/had attended one of these school, please tell me about it): Temple University (Fox school of business), University of Pennsylvania (Wharton school of business), or New York University (Stern school of business). Thanks, and looking foward to your input.

Alitalia777

P.S.- If it matters, I plan on studying abroad in Australia, and possibly Germany.

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

At age 15 you are already sure that you want to be in international business... I'll believe that when I see you graduate in about 6 more years.

As someone who has been there and done that let me give you some words of wisdom. Do not worry so much about what program you want to do at any particular school. What you need to do is shop the school. What sort of programs does it offer, does it have a good business school, a good humanities colllege, etc... You also have to remember that you are going to be there for 4 to 5 years, do you really want to live in NYC or Philly, both of which are really urban places.

More importantly take some time to explore other possibilities. Where I am at there are 100+ major programs available, most of which I had no idea existed when I got here. Hell I applied as an aerospace engineering major, only to change it to history before classes started and only to add a second major. And if I had known more I might have dropped my history major altogether and gotten a double degree in Sociology and Regional Development (but too late for that).

The main point is that you should look at a variety of both public and private schools that offer what you want. You need to figure out whether or not you want to go to a large or small school, urban, rural, suburban, etc.

Don't get me wrong, Penn, Temple, and NYU are all awesome schools (I am applying to Penn myself for grad school). But you need to broaden your search. I started with around 20 schools.

Hope that helps.



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User currently offlineILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

I would go to NYU. I am 16 and looking at colleges. BTW, I would take LouisChenevert off of your res. users and add ILS.  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineKaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

gota love how people get ego trips off of having more respected users! Anyways Alitalia... its good you already have direction of where you want to go with your college education and what is of interest to you. I too am thinking about going to try a year down at University of New South Whales. after maybe another year at here at ASU. I was even so serious enough to fly down there in Novemeber and take a tour of the campus. I know I would have a blast there and I am sure you would love it as well. after your first year in at a Uni, I would give UNSW a serious look! from what I saw they had a great diversity of international students at the campus! Sorry I cant comment more on the colleges of your choice!

Cheers!
Brian


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Unless your parents are rich, you can get pretty decent education at your state school for far less money. Some state schools are on the same level as some of the elite private schools, so if you happen to be living in one of the states that do have well-reputed state school, go there and save yourself some money. I'm not bashing private schools, but I don't see how anyone making median income can afford those schools. As many people agree, if you plan on pursuing masters, just go to a well respected state school and save that money for good private school after.

User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Thanks. Anymore thoughts?

Alitalia777


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Go to a school that is good in everything. Don't go to schools that are only good in one thing, because you may decide to change your major.


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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Dude, you can't do much better than Wharton. It's quite simply the top undergraduate business school in the country and possibly the world. With a wharton degress on your resume, doors will open very fast to you and the people you meet at school and the things youll learn on Locust Walk will prepare you to make tons of money. However, admittance into Penn and Wharton is extremely difficult, Penn itself is very hard, and Wharton is even harder. Hell, I didn't even get into Penn, I had to settle for one of her rivals. Good luck with that, I know tons of brilliant kids who couldn't get into Penn or Wharton but got into cornell (me!), columbia, even princeton!, emory, washu etc....


If your other two choices are just NYU and Temple, well Leonard Stern at NYU is far superior to Temple. NYU has come up in the ranks tremendously over the past years developing as a medicore commuter school in nyc to a top flight national university. So, I would go with nyu over temple, but do remember nyu has an outrageously urban campus. In fact the term "campus" is a stretch itself.

I know very little of Temple, other than its near Penn in west Philladelphia and is of moderately known prominence. I mean, I don't even think Temple is top 50 (yeah I know the rankings are dubious, but some schools always make top 50 like NYU and Penn and others don't like Temple). So, you should consider that, to be quite honest a Temple degree will do little to impress future employers and interviewers in a day and age where interviews and jobs are becoming so competitive, what with global competition.

So, as my parents told me my senior year, shoot for the best and do what you need to, to get it. The rewards will follow.

No pressure pal.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Just as a follow up, US News lists Temple as Tier 3, which is top 150, versus Penn (Tier1) which is #5 and NYU (also Tier1) which is #32.

Big difference. However, if you want a good business school but can't get into Penn, look into Michigan, Emory (Goizuetta), WashU (Olin), Tufts, Vandy, Hopkins, Chicago, N'western.

All top schools, many with urban or mostly urban campuses with business programs.

tnnh


User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Thanks twaneedsnohelp! Which school is harder U penn (Wharton), or NYU (Stern)? Do you know U Penn's acceptance rate? NYU is 29%. You are correct. NYU's "campus" is very urban.

You go to Cornell, cool. What is your major? I live somewhat near Cornell.

Alitalia777


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

I would imagine Wharton is more challenging than Stern. I don't know Penn's acceptance rate, but I'd guess its very low, hovering around 20% or something. Penn has really gotten ridiculous.

I'm majoring in near eastern studies at cornell, but I think I have to change my a.net profile which says hotel/finance as I switched last semester.

good luck. cornell is great by the way and if urban campuses aren't a major issue for you, I encourage you to look at it. Lots of biz programs from Ag business and econ to Hotel School hospitality business/finance to Engineering operations resource to humec's public service management and finance to ILR labor economics. Lots of great stuff here.

tnnh


User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1496 times:

Twaneedsnohelp,
I have looked at Cornell, but I don't believe that they have international business.

Do you know is it very difficult to get into Stern at NYU?

Alitalia777


User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1497 times:

Incidentally, does anyone know of active message boards/forums for the discussion of topics related to college admissions?

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

we do have international business, it just doesn't come in a nicely packed package like some of these other schools. its here though.  Smile

Getting into Stern is probably tough but not ridiculous. I would say 1300+ on SATs, healthy extracurriculars, and a B+ or better average. Also some AP test scores and classes dont hurt.

no idea about other boards ElPremier.


User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Healthy extracurriculars? You mean like sports. I play varsity golf, and i'm only a sophomore.

Alitalia777


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Probably the best place you can go for Intl. Business is AGSIM (American Graduate School of International Management) aka Thunderbird, in Arizona. One of my colleagues' brother went there, and he's now making a pretty packet with the Gartner Group in SF.

If you like the math side of management (quantitative analysis), the Graduate School of Intl. Administration (GSIA) here at Carnegie Mellon is among the best, along with MIT Sloan.



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User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Alitalia777,
No need to pull hair over your major now. Chances are quite good that you'll end up changing your major, or your focus within your studies. If you really determined to climb the corporate ladder, you'll need to go for masters anyways; that's the time you should be overly concerned about your stream. If I were you, I'd go to any top-notch school. After all, most successful bizmen say it's not what they learned in school that helped them succeed; it's who the met.


User currently offlineBoeingnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Well, Thunderbird is graduate only, so don't bother looking there until you have your BA in your hands.

From personal experience, only go to one country for study abroad, but make it a longer stay. I studied in China for my junior year abroad. I knew some people who went to one country for one semester and another for the other semester of the same year. As soon as they settled into life in that other country (and I mean REALLY settled in and were making some progress, not just over culture shock), they had to pack up and go somewhere else and start over again. Stay in one country, and if you want to go to another, do it during grad school, which is what you're going to have to do if you want to do business.

-Boeingnut


User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Thanks Boeingnut. Do people usually go to grad school right after they get their BA? I would like to study in two countries, but is it smart to spend one year in one country, and then one year in another country?

Alitalia777

P.S.-Which country would you choose? Germany, or Australia? I think Germany, because there I could get an internship with DaimlerChrysler, and set a relationship with them. That is who I eventually want to work for.


User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

One more quick question. When you go to the study abroad page at NYU's website, it only has a few locations on it. Can I study abroad to a location that is not mentioned on that site? Could I study abroad on another schools program. Thanks for tolerating all of these questions.

Alitalia777


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

To answer your last question you can pretty much use any university's study abroad program... the only real question is whether or not your home university will accept the credit. Certainly something to look at as the time comes.

Typically you have to work 2-3 years before you can get into an MBA program, and hopefully by then your firm will pay for your education as well.

If you are dead set on business school, which I don't believe (you are still only a sophomore in HS), start reading business magazines/newspapers. I don't know what is good, maybe some of the business folks can steer you clear.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Just stay clear of Time/Newsweek/US News, etc. The Economist is probably the best read for an aspiring student.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

oh god, the Economist is such a good magazine. Read that. BusinessWeek and Forbes are also the best. These last two are what execs read. Forbes is power, too bad because steve is such a right wing nut, but the mag is a good one.

Anyway, yeah thunderbird is grad so that helps you not.

Also, for MBA as was said before you need experience before admission, you wont get in anywhere after graduation.

Sloan MIT is tops as someone said. But listen you don't need a business undergrad education to make it big in business trust me. If I were you I'd go for a more rounded educartion and major in philosophy, history, econ, classics or something but still take business clases and than go to b school.

undergrad b school is almost silly unless you are at one of the top top top schools ie wharton, mit, chicago, etc...

TNNH


User currently offlineBoeingnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1428 times:

Almost noone goes straight to gradschool for their MBA. You can, but when you graduate, you will have all this book knowledge, but no practical experience, which would be a huge penalty against you. Some business schools even require that you've been out in the real world doing business for at least three years before you can go there.

You can use almost any program out there, because all of those schools out there would love to part you from your money. Just research your choice for study abroad as well as you do your undergrad school choice.

I agree with TWA, undergrad business does tend to be a waste unless you get into the top echelon of schools. Go instead for a degree in International Studies, so you learn the foreign language of your choice (German, presumably), study government, culture, all so that you can have a better understanding of where you will be doing business.

From personal experience, you should probably look at one of the larger schools out there, because the majority of people in school change majors at least once. I changed to International Studies from computer science. Just a tad of a change, eh?

-Boeingnut


User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1427 times:

BoeingNut,
Couldn't I take International Studies as a minor?

Alitalia777


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