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Genarlow Wilson Is Going Free  
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/26/wilson.freed/index.html

It's good to see one of the grossest cases of oversentencing properly reviewed and overturned. Unfortunately, it took long enough that this kid lost two years of his life.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Well, the facts are what they are, and he did have sex with a 15 year old. Did he deserve 10 years? I don't think so.

Does he deserve to be released? Morally perhaps, but I hope that there is a plan for the hundreds of petitions from real child molesters who are going to try and call their sentences "cruel and unusual" because the law was intended to keep child predators off the streets for as long as possible.

Hopefully kids will stop taping themselves having sex now....it's a very bad idea. Having sex with a 15 year is wrong according to our laws and mores, even if you're 17. Being 17 and having it be consensual makes it a matter for discipline not for criminal draconia. The new law makes it clear there is a difference.

I am glad he's released....I wish he'd have not been stupid in the first place. Sex with one girl in the school trailer who cried rape (or her family did) then another one in the motel room with a video camera. Just not bright.



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User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
Does he deserve to be released? Morally perhaps, but I hope that there is a plan for the hundreds of petitions from real child molesters who are going to try and call their sentences "cruel and unusual" because the law was intended to keep child predators off the streets for as long as possible.

He did serve two years. That's quite a lot of time to heap on what was essentially a horny 17-year-old with an opportunity. I don't think anyone rational could argue that his debt to society has been paid.

Anyone taping themelves having sex... just assume it will come back to haunt you. Rent a porno instead. The lighting is better, the cinematography is often superior and, face it, the cast is much more attractive than you.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

This case was just another example of the Born again Evangelical Jihadist taking over this country.

User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
This case was just another example of the Born again Evangelical Jihadist taking over this country.

Cut the overdramatic hyperbole. This case is about the age of consent and a law that is an attempt, perhaps an overzealous or misguided one, to protect minors from sexual predators. I am NOT saying this guy is a predator, but the fact is that each of their ages were on the wrong side of the law (and the fact that he videotaped the thing didn't help.)

In fact, contrary to your "born again religious jihadist" assertion, the law has since been changed so that teen partners within 4 years of age are only charged a misdemeanor instead of a felony,

I think it's time for Wilson to get out of prison and live his life without being "marked" as a sexual predator.

Sorry if I sound crabby, but I am tired of the overexaggerations. And I've had a rough week.


User currently offlineYfbflyer From Canada, joined Sep 2006, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

I thought that the reason he got the harsh sentence was due to a quirk in the state law regarding fellatio. Had they engaged in regular coitus there would not have been a problem. I also heard that the trying of this case was at the DA's discretion and that he decided to proceeded with this case according to the letter of the law.

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 2):
Rent a porno instead. The lighting is better, the cinematography is often superior and, face it, the cast is much more attractive than you

Never a truer statement said on Anet  Big grin



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 4):
Cut the overdramatic hyperbole. This case is about the age of consent and a law that is an attempt, perhaps an overzealous or misguided one, to protect minors from sexual predators. I am NOT saying this guy is a predator, but the fact is that each of their ages were on the wrong side of the law (and the fact that he videotaped the thing didn't help.)

The whole thing was caused by it not being coitus but fellatio, read the facts of the case, also Yfbflyer said it all:

Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 5):
I thought that the reason he got the harsh sentence was due to a quirk in the state law regarding fellatio. Had they engaged in regular coitus there would not have been a problem. I also heard that the trying of this case was at the DA's discretion and that he decided to proceeded with this case according to the letter of the law.

And remember that when the law was changed so that he could be freed; but the DA appealed this decision and kept him in prison.

What ever happened to personal responsibility, it is the parents of both of these kids responsibility to teach them so that they are not so blatantly irresponsible about their sex lives, but the law should have nothing to do trying to regulate consensual sex. Of course my statement doesn't apply to sexual predators, minors should be protected from these; but the Georgia Law was exaggerated, and the DA was a vindictive radical that fought to the last minute to keep him in prison.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 2):
He did serve two years.

Yes he did.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 2):
That's quite a lot of time to heap on what was essentially a horny 17-year-old with an opportunity.

I agree.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 2):
I don't think anyone rational could argue that his debt to society has been paid.

Not really. This case got to be more than just about this poor bastard.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
This case was just another example of the Born again Evangelical Jihadist taking over this country.

Stop the insanity. Imagine what you'd think if it was your sister or daughter.

Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 5):
I thought that the reason he got the harsh sentence was due to a quirk in the state law regarding fellatio.

The law had been changed in cases of intercourse, but the sodomy originated law (which had been changed to avoid prosecuting homosexuals) was not modified prior to the crime.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
The whole thing was caused by it not being coitus but fellatio,

No...the whole thing was caused by a minor committing a crime by having sex with someone that our society deems too immature to exercise good judgement.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
And remember that when the law was changed so that he could be freed; but the DA appealed this decision and kept him in prison.

THe state attorney general worked to prevent any precedent being set that would be used by real predators who are currently imprisoned for raping children. By definition if you have sexual intercourse with someone incompetent to make good decisions you are committing rape. The definition of statutory rape was met here.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
the law should have nothing to do trying to regulate consensual sex.

OK...so if a 9 year old decides she wants to have sex we shouldn't prosecute a 30 year old who takes her up on it?

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
Of course my statement doesn't apply to sexual predators, minors should be protected from these; but the Georgia Law was exaggerated, and the DA was a vindictive radical that fought to the last minute to keep him in prison.

the Georgia law failed to foresee a teenager videotaping sexual acts with a minor and having that be considered ok. you'll have to excuse the legislators who passed this one since they were trying to protect minors.

Are you saying it's ok for 15 year old girls to have sex? I won't ask if you like 15 year old girls, but you can see where the thought process will head. Stop excusing Wilson for committing a crime, and start worrying if real predators will use the precedent set by the State Supreme Court (who are elected...not appointed...and that played a part I'm sure) to claim that their sentences are cruel and unusual. At the least it's going to cost the state millions for wasted court time....at worst it's going to set free predators who will (and child predators are almost always incorrigible) attack more children.

Take a look at that and get past the righteous indignation.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
Well, the facts are what they are, and he did have sex with a 15 year old.

Actually, if he had had actual sex with her, he would have been guilty of no more than a misdemeanor.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 4):
This case is about the age of consent and a law that is an attempt, perhaps an overzealous or misguided one, to protect minors from sexual predators.

Absolutely not. The law was a left over from the sodomy laws and wasn't protecting anyone here.

Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 5):
I thought that the reason he got the harsh sentence was due to a quirk in the state law regarding fellatio. Had they engaged in regular coitus there would not have been a problem

If they had engaged in intercourse, the most he could have been charged with would be a misdemeanor carrying no more than 12 months in jail and no registration.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):

Stop the insanity. Imagine what you'd think if it was your sister or daughter.

Imagine what you'd think if it was your son, Susan Powter.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
Are you saying it's ok for 15 year old girls to have sex?

But it would be naive to think that 15 year old girls don't have sex nowadays, seeing how kids start ealier as each generation passes by.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
OK...so if a 9 year old decides she wants to have sex we shouldn't prosecute a 30 year old who takes her up on it?

No, but wilson was also a minor, and only 2 years older than the girl

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
Are you saying it's ok for 15 year old girls to have sex? I won't ask if you like 15 year old girls, but you can see where the thought process will head. Stop excusing Wilson for committing a crime, and start worrying if real predators will use the precedent set by the State Supreme Court (who are elected...not appointed...and that played a part I'm sure) to claim that their sentences are cruel and unusual. At the least it's going to cost the state millions for wasted court time....at worst it's going to set free predators who will (and child predators are almost always incorrigible) attack more children.

How many people have had girlfriends in high school that were a year or 2 younger? WILSON WAS A MINOR TOO. If a 22 year old man hits on a 15 year old he should go to prison, but a 17 year old? please... Stop being so self righteous and acting like you never went to high school.

All I am saying is that the government has no right or reason to regulate sex between consenting individuals of the same age group, it is up to the parents of Wilson and this girl to educate their children to make the right decisions. Was what they did stupid? YES, was it criminal? NO

[Edited 2007-10-26 17:06:37]

[Edited 2007-10-26 17:08:59]

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
Having sex with a 15 year is wrong according to our laws and mores, even if you're 17.

That depends on the state. In some states, it's perfectly legal. Regardless, a 17 year old boy and 15 year old girl are about equals. The events are as much her "fault" as his.

[Edited 2007-10-26 17:44:04]

User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Well I'm glad he is free. I do not think he deserved to serve prison time because this minor got head from another minor just two years his junior and they were both teenagers.

I think they should have been smarter about this whole situation. BOTH OF THEM and anyone else involved. They had oral sex. SO WHAT!

12 year old girls are now getting pregnant. Teens out here are doing things so much worse than giving someone head that he had to sit in jail. The DA was just being overzealous and I can't believe the courts let him go that far.

I'm sure they treated the girl like the pretty little victim too.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
The whole thing was caused by it not being coitus but fellatio, read the facts of the case,



Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Absolutely not. The law was a left over from the sodomy laws and wasn't protecting anyone here.

Am well aware of the case, living in Georgia and having a relative who is a judge in this state.

Yes, the law in question is/was about fellatio. However, this case is not about two adult guys sucking each other's dicks. The reason this is even a case is because it involved a girl who was not of the age of consent, and a male who was.

The distinction between fellatio vs coitus: it could be argued that fellatio is forcing someone to do something for your pleasure against their will, which would be modus operandi of pedophiles. Of course, common sense dictates that a pedophile could force coitus as well, but then that would bring a rape charge, vaginal tearing, possibility of pregnancy, etc. so the perpetrator would be more likely to engage the child in oral sex (which could not be proven by physical examination) vs. intercourse.

Now, of course the law that spurred Wilson's case did not account for the possibility of consensual teen fellatio, which has since been addressed with new legislation, so that we may make a better distinction between teen lovers and creepy pedophiles.

My comments in the above post were more addressing Luisca's assertion that this is about religious nuts trying to punish people for having sex, which is why I said it was about age of consent and pedophilia, not sex in and of itself.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
Well, the facts are what they are, and he did have sex with a 15 year old.

The girl admitted she was coming on to him, not the other way around. They're both minors, and I'm sure the last thing on his mind was "Oh wait, let me see your ID."

Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 5):
I thought that the reason he got the harsh sentence was due to a quirk in the state law regarding fellatio.

That would be correct.

Newsflash people, this happens all the time. Hell, I was 15 and my highschool sweetheart was 17 when we first did the deed. Where's the beef? Sure, maybe it was too young. Hell, later, looking back, we both agreed we were too young to realize what we were doing; we were just horny. We broke up in college, because...well...we were in the relationship for one thing... Kids (and as sappy as this sounds) don't realize what exaclty sex is...


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

So he was 17 when she was 15, why was that illegal? Sorry for my ignorance, he wasnt over 18 so I dont see why was it a crime?


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 11):
WILSON WAS A MINOR TOO.

Bingo.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
he did have sex with a 15 year old.

And, she had sex with a 17 year old. So what? It's usually not illegal. WTF.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 15):


Newsflash people, this happens all the time.

Duh.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
Are you saying it's ok for 15 year old girls to have sex?

Yes. It always has been OK since the beginning of time. And it is still legal almost everywhere on Earth. Including many US states. We're talking between minors here.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 13):
12 year old girls are now getting pregnant.

Oh my gosh, really? Oh wait, that's been true since the beginning of time. It is nothing new. (And, it's uncommon). Usually that's involving some bad man age 20-50 who is the daddy, which is a problem. But 15 year old girls have been moms since time began. It's socially a big problem but not physically, and if things are consensual then it's hard to say it's morally wrong either.

15 year old girls are often married, around the world. Of course we in the Western modern world think a 35-year old women is a good typical mom. In fact a 35-year old woman's child-bearing abilities are generally very damaged compared to a 15-year old. The 15-year old is going to have healthier babies than a 35-year old. Maybe we can say it's evil but that's the human race, perhaps evil, but it is what it is.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
But 15 year old girls have been moms since time began. It's socially a big problem but not physically, and if things are consensual then it's hard to say it's morally wrong either.

that is true, yet financially it is friggin impossible. When girls where getting married at that age, they were married off to men who were established in life. They had money to take care of the family, the girls who are getting pregnant at 15 now are eloping with boys their same age, kids who dont even know how to tie their shoelaces. Morally, who cares everyone has a different set of morals, what is right in one place is not in another, so you can throw that out. It all comes down to being able to provide for the children and the family. I'm not going to argue whether it is right or wrong for underage kids to have sex, but I will argue that it is WRONG for them to have babies which they obviously cannot support, and they will be a further burden on their parents.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 15):


Newsflash people, this happens all the time.

Duh.

Don't be an arse...


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 19):

Don't be an arse...

I was agreeing with you, but you don't have to like it. Up to you  Smile


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
so the perpetrator would be more likely to engage the child in oral sex (which could not be proven by physical examination) vs. intercourse.

Oh really? You are forgetting two huge factors. One, the victim is much more likely to be able to injure their attacker during oral sex. Two, this was consensual.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
it could be argued that fellatio is forcing someone to do something for your pleasure against their will

Excuse me? Fellatio is not generally done against anyone's will, and it wasn't done against this girl's will.



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Fellatio is not generally done against anyone's will

yeah, that would hurt  biting 



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

He doesn't have to register as a sex offender.

The vote was very snarrow in my opinion of 4-3.

But I saw something on MSNBC that his felony conviction was not overturned. He will be on TV Monday morning on the Today Show...I may be wrong about the show


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 23):


But I saw something on MSNBC that his felony conviction was not overturned.

The actual opinion was written in a rather strange way in that it essentially declares the old law as applied to Wilson's specific case to be unconstitutional, which essentially vacates the punishment



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25 Eaglekeeper101 : 17 year-olds are well known for maturity and common sense? Since when? Come to think of it, given the amount of common sense displayed over the cours
26 Post contains images 767Lover : LOL, you are completely missing my point. It really doesn't matter now anyway, because he's been freed, and there has been some progress made in revi
27 MD11Engineer : Just for a thought: In most societies adulthood is being defined by being able to take care of yourself and your offspring. In "primitive" agrarian or
28 Slider : But in this instance was the consequence greater than the act? I would argue yes, inclusive of my personal values. There is a very interesting though
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