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"Dog" - Caught Using The N-Word  
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/01/dog.chapman.ap/index.html

"Television bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman has apologized for repeatedly using a racial slur in a profanity-laced tirade during a private phone conversation with his son that was recorded and posted online."

*rant*
OK.. why is this news? If he had used the N-word during an interview or while the show was being taped, then i can understand why this would be news. But it was during a private conversation! I'm not defending his choice of words, I'm just incensed that the National Enquirer is taping private conversations and putting them online for the world. Granted, he's a celeb; but that doesn't negate his right to privacy. What he says in a private conversation is only between him and his son; full stop.
*end rant*

So what say you? Are celebs fair game at any time, or do they deserve to live private lives like the rest of us? Does his use of a racial slur change your opinion of him?

Edit: I don't even really like the guy or his TV show. I think his wife is disgusting and I find their "in your face" Christianity offensive. But it just irks me how people's private lives are open to scrutiny and in the public domain.  twocents 

[Edited 2007-11-01 09:29:04]

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User currently offlineUnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Nope, I still think he is a great guy for what he does.

The National Enquirer can f*ck off. He is the one who should be pissed off at the Enquirer.

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
But it just irks me how people's private lives are open to scrutiny and in the public domain.

Glad to see I wasn't the only one who felt this way.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

I don't like that the National Enquirer is taping private conversations, but I'm not going to excuse what the guy said. Fact is, that he was saying it in private to his family means he honestly believes it. He wasn't saying it to impress anyone, he was saying it because he didn't think there was anyone around to stop him from saying how he felt.

Now that I know how he feels, I won't watch his show. Yes, I am not watching his show because I don't like his views, and I don't like his racism.


Now, as for the National Enquirer, if he loses his show, I think he should sue them.



EDIT: Oh, and I don't buy his after-the-fact apology one bit.

[Edited 2007-11-01 10:30:14]


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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

At least in Florida it is unlawful to record telephone calls, maybe the same applies elswhere in the US.

Whatever he said on the phone is nobody's business but his own.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
Whatever he said on the phone is nobody's business but his own.

What if he had said on the phone to his kid, "remember that missing guy from a year ago? I killed him."

Should he not be tried for the murder, just because a tape surfaced that showed he did it? (Think about that Las Vegas child rape case that just happened last month.)



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Should he not be tried for the murder, just because a tape surfaced that showed he did it? (Think about that Las Vegas child rape case that just happened last month.)

Unless you had a warrant to record the calls, they are inadmissable, no matter what he said.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 5):
Unless you had a warrant to record the calls, they are inadmissable, no matter what he said.

Not true!

If the police record your calls without a warrant, they are inadmissible. If a private entity records your calls, they may be admitted! The fourth amendment only covers governmental action. That's why Linda Tripp's telephone conversations with Monica Lewinsky were admitted in Bill Clinton's trial. (But afterwards, Tripp got NAILED by Maryland for breaking the wiretap laws.)
 yes 



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

I heard the tape just now. To me its sounds like a father giving his son advice.. period. Now remember, this father comes from a rough life, has been a Sgt of Arms in a motorcycle gang, is an x-Con.... he's no Saint. How do you expect him to talk in a private conversation...?


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

This has been one of the lead stories in the local news here in Honolulu. I was actually very surprised to hear this coming out of his mouth as I have known him for years and in all of my dealings with him, I have always found him to be a very polite, well mannered person. He flies with HA almost exclusively. His wife however is the polar opposite. I could tell you all some incredible stories, but I probably shouldn't, she's an HA frequent flyer too!  Smile

More on Dog's dilemma from todays Honolulu Newspaper:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...71101/NEWS01/711010370/1001/NEWS01

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

D L X - I understand why you feel the way you do. And I don't blame you for not watching the show now. But you have to admit, the Enquirer crossed the line. Decent human dignity is something of the past. Why can't we respect each other enough to let people be what they are; people. Not everyone is perfect all the time. And what I say in my home or during a phone call is MY business and I expect it to stay that way. This bullshit paparazzi tactic of invading and exposing personal lives to make a buck disgusts me.

Hey tabloids - f*ck you! Get a real job that benefits society rather then pandering to the lowest form of voyeuristic human tendencies.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 9):
But you have to admit, the Enquirer crossed the line.

In fact, I *did* state that! It was the first thing I said.  Wink (Reply 2.)

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 9):
Not everyone is perfect all the time.

I don't see Dog Chapman being a racist as being a simple imperfection. Especially considering his line of work.

Come on -- do we really want racist bounty hunters? Let alone should we celebrate them?!



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
I'm just incensed that the National Enquirer is taping private conversations and putting them online for the world.



Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 1):
The National Enquirer can f*ck off. He is the one who should be pissed off at the Enquirer.



Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
I don't like that the National Enquirer is taping private conversations, but I'm not going to excuse what the guy said.

Uh folks, the Enquirer didn't tape this call. They mere "obtained" it from a source, which could be just about anyone.

Mike Walker of the National Enquirer, during his weekly "The Gossip Game" segment on "The Howard Stern Show", said that the tabloid got the tape from the son.

I have to think that this situation has been an ongoing one between Dog and his son, so the son started taping the calls just in case he had something he could pretty much use against his dad in the Court of Public Opinion.

Honestly, I was more surprised by Michael Richards' use of the n-word than I am by Dog The Bounty Hunter's use of it.


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 9):
Not everyone is perfect all the time.

I don't see Dog Chapman being a racist as being a simple imperfection. Especially considering his line of work

I'm not excusing that. All I'm saying is that for all we know it could be a one-time lapse in judgment. I sincerely doubt that it is; it's probably indicative of something more.

Either way though; I think incidents like this are best left to the people directly involved. Sh*t like this has no place in the media.


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I have to think that this situation has been an ongoing one between Dog and his son, so the son started taping the calls just in case he had something he could pretty much use against his dad in the Court of Public Opinion.

Well that changes things a little bit. Now my frustration is placed evenly with the Enquirer and with Dog's son. The son has no business taking private matters public and the Enquirer has no business broadcasting it to the world.

[Edited 2007-11-01 12:11:02]

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
Uh folks, the Enquirer didn't tape this call.

They still shouldn't have posted it, in my opinion. Public disclosure of private facts.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
Honestly, I was more surprised by Michael Richards' use of the n-word than I am by Dog The Bounty Hunter's use of it.

Yeah, no one would have suspected Richards was a raving lunatic racist before his episode. But that in no way excuses Dog, does it?



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Even the title of this thread shows the problems we face today. Caught? Caught using the "N-word?" He can say whatever he pleases and should not be "caught" saying it.

Although I can honestly say I have never heard of the guy before, never watched his shows, I can say that it's too bad his career is likely ruined over what he believed to be a private conversation between himself and his son.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
Uh folks, the Enquirer didn't tape this call.

They still shouldn't have posted it, in my opinion. Public disclosure of private facts.

I'm glad we both agree on that point.

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
Honestly, I was more surprised by Michael Richards' use of the n-word than I am by Dog The Bounty Hunter's use of it.

Yeah, no one would have suspected Richards was a raving lunatic racist before his episode. But that in no way excuses Dog, does it?

Absolutely not. I never said it did. But honestly, since this was a private exchange; I don't think it has any business being a topic of discussion as to whether he should even be "excused". It's a private matter that should have stayed private, and not open to discussion/condemnation from the rest of the world. But now that it's in the public arena; he absolutely should face the same heat as anyone else.

My point is that there is a big difference between shouting "N*gger, it's a n*gger!" in a crowded comedy club; then between two people in a private phone conversation.

[Edited 2007-11-01 12:16:45]

User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 17):
Even the title of this thread shows the problems we face today. Caught? Caught using the "N-word?" He can say whatever he pleases and should not be "caught" saying it.

You're preaching to the choir amigo. I agree with you 100%. I merely tried to paraphase the title of the CNN article as descriptively and concisely as possible.


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 19):
merely tried to paraphase the title of the CNN article as descriptively and concisely as possible.

Oh I know, nothing against you. For loss of words, it just sucks we have to phrase things this way.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 20):
Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 19):
merely tried to paraphase the title of the CNN article as descriptively and concisely as possible.

Oh I know, nothing against you. For loss of words, it just sucks we have to phrase things this way.

Yeah, I hear ya. My libertarian leanings really wish for a day when citizens of this country will starting taking responsibility for themselves and their own well-being, and stop compensating for their own shortcomings by prying into the lives of others. "If I don't feel good about myself, at least it will make me feel better to see that others f*ck up too."


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 13):
All I'm saying is that for all we know it could be a one-time lapse in judgment.

As in, he woke up and said "I'm going to be a racist today", got taped being a racist, then his judgment kicked in again, and he was no longer racist? I don't buy that.

Again, it's not his use of the word that bothers me nearly so much as the thoughts he expressed.
"I'm not taking a chance...not because she's black but because we use the word n---er sometimes here. I'm not going to take any chance ever in life of losing everything I've worked for 30 years because some drunken n---er heard us say n---er and turned us into the Enquirer magazine...I'm not taking that chance at all never in life. Never..."

It would be just as damning if he said "black person."
"I'm not going to take any chance ever in life of losing everything I've worked for 30 years because some drunken black person heard us talking about black people and turned us into the Enquirer magazine."

Tim Storey thinks he's not a racist. He's going to have to do a much better job apologizing to convince me.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 17):
Caught using the "N-word?" He can say whatever he pleases and should not be "caught" saying it.

No one is saying he can't say it. But you will be held accountable for the things you say and do. Freedom of speech does not equal immunity from retribution.

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 18):
My point is that there is a big difference between shouting "N*gger, it's a n*gger!" in a crowded comedy club; then between two people in a private phone conversation.

Not in result -- both actions disqualify you from mainstream entertainment.

It's not punishing the word he used -- it's punishing the racist beliefs he holds.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

I think Dog the Bounty Hunter is the biggest fake on TV....a total set-up, hate the show and stopped watching it after a few tries BUT that does not excuse their taping of phone calls and even though he is minor celeb, I think such people should be allowed to live normal lives.

User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
But you will be held accountable for the things you say and do.

What's there to be held accountable for? Is it because he said a word in private which some looney is offended by?



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 22):
I think Dog the Bounty Hunter is the biggest fake on TV....a total set-up, hate the show and stopped watching it after a few tries

Again, I'm with you on that one. It's a pretty piss poor show. The worst part of it is his wife's tits.. I mean, GEEEZUS!  yuck 


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 23):
What's there to be held accountable for?

His beliefs... that's why A&E is pulling his show. That's accountability. If you do something out of line with societal expectations, you pay the consequences. You have the right to say it, but you'll pay for it.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 23):
Is it because he said a word in private which some looney is offended by?

Wait... are you saying you're not offended by what he said?



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25 JetsGo : Society shouldn't give two shits what he and his son discuss in private. No, I'm not. I might if it was in public, but his conversation was not direc
26 D L X : I doubt you believe that. What you say in private is a reflection of how you actually think, and a reflection of what you would do when you think won
27 NIKV69 : True but he did exhibit some strange behavior. One of the time's he used the term nigger it sounded like it had some hate behind it. I mean I may be
28 Post contains images JetsGo : Then why did I say it? Should stay in private. And surely not be used by others so they can pass weak judgements. Look, between father and son, calli
29 D L X : Don't half quote me. Absolutely incorrect. You know, racist people tend to hide the fact that they're racists when they're in public, and for good re
30 Miamiair : I could care less what he said. Thankfully your litmus test is not society's standard.
31 JetsGo : The rest wasn't worth quoting/debating. It's really that simple. No, it does not. He is entitled to his beliefs. He was privately discussing this mat
32 Post contains images D L X : That's a nice buzzword, but what exactly do you mean by it? I haven't given a "litmus test." Never said he wasn't. But what you fail to understand is
33 Post contains images Jafa39 : I think there are some ODD hominems on this site
34 ConcordeBoy : Agreed. Why does the media go buckwild over that particular word. It doesn't make (inter)national news every time someone of any fame/prominence stat
35 D L X : Probably because with the exception of the last word, those words are hardly ever spoken. I don't think that you really don't know the answer to this
36 ConcordeBoy : and you base that assessment on what exactly?
37 D L X : Experience. Are you denying it? And does it matter to the thread? If so, show your facts.[Edited 2007-11-01 15:20:44]
38 JetsGo : I'm not failing anything here. If evidence in a court room is found to have been obtained illegally, it is no longer admissible to judge on. This dis
39 PIA777 : WHAT? He is a racist. I heard the phone call. he is a jerk. I use to like that show. I already stopped watching reruns of Seinfeld because of Kramer.
40 JetsGo : Listen to yourself, calling him a racist then completely bashing "rednecks" as a whole. Sounds completely idiotic. Thin skin?
41 ConcordeBoy : Uh no, try: "assumption, in the complete absence of tangible corroboration, for or against". Sure, why wouldn't it? And I'll fling that one right bac
42 LTBEWR : First of all, 'Dog' is a bounty hunter, a form of making money for someone that is Constitutionally legal, very unique to the USA and generally unacce
43 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Hmmm. I see three components of the term redneck. Red=color Neck+color=skin The third is your labeling people from the south as ignorant and racist.
44 Post contains images D L X : Whoa guy. This isn't court, so that's entirely irrelevant. And... wrong. As I said in reply 2, If the police record your calls without a warrant, the
45 LASOctoberB6 : Aww, geez.... It musta been a really slow day for news today... I really don't care enough for the guy to get all worked up about what he said and/or
46 Post contains images Kunoichi : Okay, just an observation... A LOT of black people and the people around them use the word frequently, in daily speak, while talking to each other, an
47 National757 : How is this news? I caught some rappers using the N-word, why isn't that front page news?
48 Post contains images AirframeAS : Indeed they did. Must be a slow day for them. Who REALLY released that tape is what I want to know. I'm not buying that his son sent it to the Enquir
49 Miamiair : Get off the soap box already. It is getting old. So now you are telling people how they have to act? People earn my respect by their actions, not the
50 D L X : What are you talking about? I've been consistent about this. And how can you conclude anything other than him being racist when he was saying how his
51 Miamiair : It's not a crime for him to think whatever he wants. That's his choice, and stop giving him crap about it.
52 D L X : Agreed. But, again, having the right to think whatever you want does not come with immunity. If other people don't like what you think, other people
53 Miamiair : Absolutely. He has, stop trying to change his mind.
54 Post contains images G5ive : A bounty hunter that uses mace.
55 Shep2 : Wow - what a blow !!!! Such a mean , nasty and cruel world this is. Why can't people quit calling each other bad names? Why can't everyone just get al
56 D L X : There you go speaking for him again. I think he can defend himself. My point was valid, and I've noticed you have nothing to say about it. Then what
57 Miamiair : Not arguing with you, and I only agreed to that one question. For the rest of the thread, I think you're full of it.
58 D L X : Like where? When I said that privately recorded tapes are admissible in court? When I said that he has a right to think what he wants? When I said A&
59 Miamiair : If it makes you feel any better, think what ever you want.
60 Paulc : would there be this situation if Dog was black. It seems to me that black people can get away with using it in conversation / song lyrics etc but whit
61 F9Animal : I am tired of the NAACP and other agencies jumping at every opportunity to highlight and make big scenes out of the word. Then we have "nappy headed h
62 Canuckpaxguy : I didn't know people actually still use the "n" word? G
63 Post contains images JetsGo : I knew Canada had some remote areas, but damn, how far out in the middle of no where do you live?
64 Post contains links National757 : Listen to virtually any rap song lately, and you'll hear it over and over again. One rapper is even naming his album after the N-Word. Where are the
65 D L X : So wait, let me get this straight. You guys are using rappers as role models? So, since rappers are doing it, you think everyone should be able to do
66 National757 : Not at all. Just trying to show the double standard that exists when discussing the N-word. It's not okay for "Dog" and others to say the word while
67 MD-90 : Your writing style suggests that you need to watch less/no television, period. As for me, I am not going to entirely change my beliefs about someone
68 Post contains links D L X : There's no double standard. Had Dog been a black guy, and said something racist about whites, A&E would have pulled his show just the same. It's not
69 Post contains images AirframeAS : Its is about the word. The black folk call each other the word, they never take it personally. When a white dude calls the black dude the word, a con
70 D L X : No sir, it is not about the word. Dog got canned because of the sentiment. Dog got canned because the things he said "you can't date a black girl bec
71 Miamiair : And you use it as a soap box. You cry and SD others post because you cry and whine. It gets old, give it a rest.
72 D L X : Of the two of us, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the one whining or crying. It's probably not worth asking, but do you have an intelligent argument abo
73 Post contains images AirframeAS : *Slaps forehead* Thanks for NOT anwsering the question. Once again (like in all the other threads) you dodge the questions. I want to know WHY its ok
74 LAXspotter : lemme try to take a jab at that. Where I went to to school Black people would always call each other that name, and youre asking for a beatdown if yo
75 Post contains images D L X : I already answered your moronic question. If you read the article, you'd see quite clearly that there are many people, including myself AND the NAACP
76 Post contains images AirframeAS : Thank you, LAX. That's anwsers my question completely. Something DLX cannot do which boggles my mind. That wasn't too difficult to do at all. That is
77 Miamiair : Then don't send me a PM. Say it here, or is your sack empty? This is going on ad infinitum ad naseum. Dog got canned because he said the "XXX" word.
78 D L X : AIRFRAME!!! Come on!!! The question wasn't "will this work!" The question was "why do black people think it's okay to use the n-word, but not okay if
79 AirframeAS : Uhmm, not it was not. You never anwsered one question of mine or anyone's directly. I told you, I said that I was only wondering. I just wanted to kn
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