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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Think that it is time to start a new F1 thread. The other one reached about 225posts.


We can have this thread until the 2008 season begins.

Here we can discuss everything about F1, from the 2007season to things that will happen in 2008.

Hope this thread will survive and be good.

Best regards:

B747forever.


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Little turbulent with the Australian GP:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071101092432.shtml



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

So what do we know so far!?

We know that the Ferrari line up is done deal for 2008.
The same goes for BMW, and for Mclaren we know that Hamilton is.
Have any other teams actually confirmed their line up yet? It is a bit early, so no rush really.

D.C will probably hang on for 2008 with RBR, although I really dont know what he is doing in F1 anymore. He most have a rock solid sponsor with lot of cash!

Much depends on what Alonso will do, and many teams are on stand by until they know.
Strange as it is, I can actually see him going to Toyota. They have never really had a driver that came from the top of the grid and had a lot of knowledge, and maybe Alonso is just what they need to be able to show some real pace.
They sure have the financial stability to improve.
Thoughts on that one?


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071101091454.shtml

This article seems to suggest that Ron Dennis will only let Alonso depart from McLaren as long as he joins a team without the backing of a major engine maker. So this would rule out Renault, Ferrari, Honda and Toyota. If this is true, and this is a very big IF, this leaves only Williams or Red Bull.

But to be honest, could Ron Dennis really be this unfair as to only allow him to leave to one of the lessor teams?



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
This article seems to suggest that Ron Dennis will only let Alonso depart from McLaren as long as he joins a team without the backing of a major engine maker. So this would rule out Renault, Ferrari, Honda and Toyota. If this is true, and this is a very big IF, this leaves only Williams or Red Bull.

Sounds like bullshit to me. If another team wants him, they can buy him out.
Why even keep a driver that might not even want to be there!? What would his contribution be to the team anyway.


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting Sudden (Reply 2):
Thoughts on that one?

I really doubt that Alonso will go for Toyota. More likely to go for Renault.

But if Alonso will get a really high salary from Toyota offered, I think he will go for them.



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User currently offlineTango29 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting Sudden (Reply 2):
Strange as it is, I can actually see him going to Toyota. They have never really had a driver that came from the top of the grid and had a lot of knowledge, and maybe Alonso is just what they need to be able to show some real pace.
They sure have the financial stability to improve.

If Alonso has any sense he won't go to Toyota, i would say that by the start 2008 he will be back in
a Renault, but hey its F1 so anything can happen........



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_2836068,00.html

Rumors that Rubens Barichello will be demoted down to Super Auri.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 4):
Sounds like bullshit to me. If another team wants him, they can buy him out.
Why even keep a driver that might not even want to be there!? What would his contribution be to the team anyway.

I'm not quite sure I believe these rumors until Ron Dennis himself says something to the press.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 7):
Rumors that Rubens Barichello will be demoted down to Super Auri.

Please dont give this driver any more F1 seats. Think is better for Rubens if he just stop to drive in F1,



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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Think is better for Rubens if he just stop to drive in F1,

Why? Rubens is a quality driver with buckets of experience... He's easily matched if not beaten button this year in a car that has been less than competetive!!



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

I was just going to start this thread...Anyway..i'm sure this will only be Part 1 of the Off Season Thread....

I'm starting to think that Alonso might end up staying at McLaren....which would definitely be interesting.

Alonso's Manager has said that Alonso can't be forced to leave...De La Rosa has made suggestions that he does think Alonso's leaving. I don't know if Alonso wants to leave right away...

All in all...I hope it all gets resolved soon because it seems that there's a lot of stuff behind what Alonso does.

I think once that is solved....Everything else will fall into place.

P.S. Does anyone else feel we're going to get at least one Indian Driver at the Spyker team?


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting Sudden (Reply 2):

D.C will probably hang on for 2008 with RBR, although I really dont know what he is doing in F1 anymore. He most have a rock solid sponsor with lot of cash!

RBR have confirmed their 2008 line up. Renault and Toyota are the only manufacturer teams to hold out on their line ups.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 10):
P.S. Does anyone else feel we're going to get at least one Indian Driver at the Spyker team?

Doubt it. The new owner has expressed a desire to have an Indian driver, but not at any cost.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
Little turbulent with the Australian GP:

There has been talk the race will move to Queensland. The consortium interested has expressed a willingness to give Bernie what he wants.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
But if Alonso will get a really high salary from Toyota offered, I think he will go for them.

That depends if your motivation is money, ala Ralf. Toyota need to go have a long hard look at their structure. This is where the Japanese teams are falling over. The guys back in Tokyo aren't giving them the autonomy to go do what they do best. Race cars.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
Little turbulent with the Australian GP:

Bring back Adelaide's street circuit, used to love that Grand Prix.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 9):
He's easily matched if not beaten button this year in a car that has been less than competetive!!

Rubens has not beaten Button this year or even matched him. Button finished as 15th this yearn and Rubens as 20th. Button has taken 6pts and Rubens 0pts.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4021 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Alonso has officially left McLaren for the 2008 season, but no announcement has been made regarding which team he will join.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7074737.stm


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 14):
Alonso has officially left McLaren for the 2008 season, but no announcement has been made regarding which team he will join.

The media here reports that he wants to join a small team to leave a door open for ferrari. If this is true, it would rule out Renault. Austrian Media reports that he expressed interest to join Red Bull.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 14):
Alonso has officially left McLaren for the 2008 season, but no announcement has been made regarding which team he will join.

Here is the links from F1-live:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071102130518.shtml

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071102131232.shtml



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 14):
Alonso has officially left McLaren for the 2008 season, but no announcement has been made regarding which team he will join.

That's more like it!

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
The media here reports that he wants to join a small team to leave a door open for ferrari

Very unlikely as Ferrari have 2 solid drivers, where one of them is the champ. So would he then be driving for a small team until their becomes a seat free at Ferrari? Not likely.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
Austrian Media reports that he expressed interest to join Red Bull.

Why on earth would he join RBR? He is a champion, not a top midfield driver!

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

How disappointing. I hope McLaren have learnt their lesson regarding their equal status policy. Right now, after this season, I don't know what to feel about the team who I've followed throughout my F1 watching life and whether my support for them can continue.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
The media here reports that he wants to join a small team to leave a door open for ferrari. If this is true, it would rule out Renault. Austrian Media reports that he expressed interest to join Red Bull.

Lets be honest, Renault is going to be his best option if he wants to win a championship.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 18):
Lets be honest, Renault is going to be his best option if he wants to win a championship.

That is true. He will go for Renault. believe me.

Wonder who McLaren wants now, when Alonso has left the stall.



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 18):
How disappointing. I hope McLaren have learnt their lesson regarding their equal status policy

Ron Dennis still has his little boy Hamilton, so the only lesson learned would be to not hire any more champs.


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 18):
How disappointing. I hope McLaren have learnt their lesson regarding their equal status policy.

Well actually, Fernando's own words...

"I know there have been suggestions of favouritism within the team and people say a lot of things in the heat of battle, but in the end I was always provided with an equal opportunity to win."

Whether he is telling the truth or not remains to be seen but no doubt he will lay into McLaren as soon as he joins another team.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 21):
Well actually, Fernando's own words...

Speaking nicely about McLaren for the next 12 months was probably part of the agreement and is fairly standard for early terminations. When Alonso retires and he writes a book the truth about what happened, the spy saga, relationships with Hamilton and Dennis, will come out. These things all ways do, sooner or later.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 22):
When Alonso retires and he writes a book the truth about what happened, the spy saga, relationships with Hamilton and Dennis, will come out.

Cant wait until that book comes out.



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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 941 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Great news for Mclaren, Balonso fits well for Renault..

25 B747forever : Cant say it is so good news for McLaren. Maybe without Alonso in the team Hamilton wont be as good as he was this season.
26 Emrecan : Hamilton is the biggest nominee for next year's title. He never had a good relation with Fernando this year. If a good friend of him -like Kubika- wi
27 B747forever : Kubica is goin´g to drive for BMW next season. So no Kubica or Heidfeld for McLaren. How can you says so??? What makes him the biggest nominee for t
28 Cornish : I'm not convinced about the small team side of things, but at the same time I really can't see the logic in him going to Renault for just one season
29 Waterpolodan : We'll see, but I really, really hope you're wrong. If he does end up at Ferrari, I hope Massa gets into another winning car as he's too talented to b
30 Sudden : I for one dare to say that Hamilton will not have as great of a season that he just had. Several reason to why, Kimi and Ferrari have now been able t
31 BlueElephant : Well I can't say i'm completely happy that Alonso is leaving McLaren, because above everything else, he is a very good driver. But I don't think his p
32 B747forever : ' If it happens that Massa has to leave Ferrari to give Alonso place, I think he can go for BMW or even McLaren. But I really really hope that Massa
33 Post contains images B747forever : You are so right, so right. Agree to 100%. And another thing welcome to my RU list.
34 Post contains links B747forever : Sutil for McLaren??? ¨ http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071102160622.shtml
35 Waterpolodan : I doubt that same sort of situation would occur, Kimi is much too removed from any personal politics for that to happen, and I think Alonso would dee
36 Cornish : maybe not, but he has a seasons worth of telemetry and far more importantly a season's worth of actual experience on those tracks in an F1 car - wort
37 B747forever : maybe not, Todt son can take over the team.
38 Cornish : not a chance. I'm not sure you realise how powerful de Montezemelo is in the Fiat empire. as for Todt's son it is more likely that we will take over
39 Legoguy : Funny that. Hamilton has not had access to Alonso's telemetry data for the latter half of the season and seems to have outpaced Alonso since, only to
40 B747forever : Okey, but you never know. That sounds better.
41 Cornish : oh all sorts of things can happen in F1 that we didn't expect of course. But only someone with the surname Agnelli has more influence at Ferrari than
42 Jamesbuk : No, I think Alonso's beef was that a rookie was beating him whilst if a seasoned driver was beating him I think he would be ok with it - like wheneve
43 B747forever : I really hope that we can see Jean Todt next year too, at least.
44 Legoguy : As far as I remember, Fisichella rarely beat Alonso. To Fisichella's credit he did win the Australian Grandprix however that was at the start of the
45 B747forever : Hopefully we will see Kimi win again. Hopefully.
46 Sudden : If you are refering to my post I am guilty. And no, I am not ruling out Hamilton, but in a way my mind tells me that he have been able to profit from
47 LTU932 : I'd love to see Adelaide make an F1 comeback, but if Melbourne is out, Gold Coast, which also has a street circuit, would most likely replace Melbour
48 Waterpolodan : Red Bull would be pretty stupid to keep DC and get rid of Mark Webber under any circumstances... Webber did things with that car that it had no right
49 LTU932 : Yes, but since DC has apparently extended his contract, with the possibility of Alonso joining, it's more likely that Webber, and not DC, is out.
50 BA757 : Do you have a crystal ball or something? How on earth can you say that at this stage? Yes likely he will be a contender for the championship, but he
51 B747forever : No he doesn't have any crystal ball or something. He just guess. As everyone guess that Hamilton will win the WDC next year. Another thing BA757, why
52 Boeing74741R : I think it's something to do with him not recognising the fact that McLaren were thrown out of the 2007 F1 Constructors championship over spygate, an
53 B747forever : That has to be the right answer. But sorry BA757, Ferrari is the winner this year. Better luck next year.
54 Legoguy : I wish I did have a magical ball, but alas, I am just speculating. Kimi dominated the later of of 2007 and I do not believe Hamilton will have learnt
55 StealthZ : A return to Adelaide would be awesome but Queensland would be OK but it would not be on tthe Gold Coast street circuit, the current proposal is for a
56 Moo : Most people do not consider Ferrari the winners of the Constructors Championship simply because they did not win it on merit - they were awarded it b
57 Bill142 : It probably is good news for them as there will, hopefully, be some stability in the team. I don't think so. Once again it's open. McLaren won't have
58 Swiftski : How is Singapore going to work? Floodlights or lights on the cars?
59 LTU932 : Not to mention that had McLaren not been disqualified, Ferrari would have won the WCC by points anyway. In the end, Ferrari proved to the world that
60 Jamesbuk : Lights on the cars would consume too much weight and would be unaerodynamic + fans can see better with huge floodlights, really its going to be like
61 StealthZ : You think? Total WCC points achieved by McLaren was greater than Ferrari if you include Hungary which would have been appealed and possibly won. Howe
62 Swiftski : See as a formula 1 fan i hope it is fantastic, as it has the potential, im just worried about little things; complains that "an area" of the track "w
63 Post contains images Springbok747 : Yeah would love to see F1 back here, but it won't happen. It'll most likely go to the Gold Coast after 2010. I can't see our government shelling out
64 Post contains images BlueElephant : Guys...I think i'm finally figuring out whether Alonso and Hamilton...was better.... This Video Helps me clear it up... Enjoy
65 Post contains images OHLHD : OK, I will predict a back to back from Kimi It will be interesting to see where Alonso will be next season. Renault is the most likely candidate I thi
66 Springbok747 : Most likely place he will end up would be Renault. But he may go for Red Bull for a season, before heading to Ferrari. I really cant see a Kimi/Alons
67 Bill142 : He says that as he's about to release a biography which he's going to want to sign for people. Talk about pathetic timing.
68 LTU932 : OK, maybe I was wrong, but the fact is that in the end, Ferrari as a team was more consistent than McLaren, especially in the final two races. At lea
69 B747forever : That is what I also say. The McLaren fans cant accept this. Has said this too. If Toyota offer Alonso a really big salary, then maybe he can go for t
70 Boeing74741R : Regarding McLaren and Ferrari, after doing a bit of number crunching and assuming that McLaren kept their points from Hungary and that they were still
71 B747forever : He will remain as Champion. Even if BMW and Williams are guilty. McLaren and Hamilton has said that they dont want to take the win from Kimi off trac
72 Moo : Why not? I don't want Hamilton to win the DC that way, and if the appeal does go in McLarens favour, I think you will find that many 'McLaren fans' w
73 Boeing74741R : Oh yeah I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is that there are fans who moan about McLaren losing the constructors off the track and they may be o
74 BlueElephant : Yeah you're right...But think of it this way...the Appeal will probably be thrown out because even if there is the slightest possibility of Ferrari g
75 Sudden : I will stick my head out and say it would work. Both are experienced drivers that knows what it takes to win races, as well as being champion. Not a
76 B747forever : It will be a Champ vs Champ issues if Alonso goes for Ferrari. And I think that it will be a disaster. You cant have two Champs in the same team with
77 Jamesbuk : How do you know? Personally I think it would work for the reasons Sudden mentions. I don't believe Alonso would accuse Ferrari of any mal-practice if
78 B747forever : Okey, Alonso acted as a he did because Hamilton was a rookie and beat ed him. Why I say that it would not work with Kimi/alonso in Ferrari is because
79 Jamesbuk : Contradict yourself much? Why would it be a disaster? Alonso was fine at Renault (Untill he realised he was leaving then acted up a bit) Basically wh
80 B747forever : Has to agree with you. It wont be a disaster for Ferrari if Alonso goes for them. But I still like Massa/Kimi better.
81 Post contains images Legoguy : Did Fernando have anyone who could easily have challenged him for Word Championship status at Renault? Sadily not, as good as Fisichella was, he was
82 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Yeh to be honest I think Ferrari do have the best set up, Kimi as the race winner, Massa as the guy who sets the car up, and aims for some Team champ
83 Legoguy : I can indeed see where you are coming from and mostly agree however I feel that Alonso would not like having a team mate faster than himself so I wou
84 B747forever : But I think we have 3 teams that can win the champion ship. Still I cant imagine a BMW driver to win the WDC.
85 Post contains links B747forever : Hamilton says that he would like to see either Nico, Sutil or Kovalainen as his partner. http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/07110316393
86 Post contains links B747forever : Red Bull, Renault, lead chase for Alonso http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071103141209.shtml
87 Post contains images Kaddyuk : Massa is a WDC possibility!! Look at his performance this year, he's not just a back bencher who is simply there to support kimi, he's out for a title
88 Sudden : What a bunch of bull#hit! He can talk all he want as it does not matter to him who his team mate will be. As Rons little baby he will get first shot
89 B747forever : That is what I also think. The have better race chance with their team, where they can race for win.
90 ScrubbsYWG : falvio was quoted as saying they are awaiting a response from Alonso in response to an offer they gave to him.
91 B747forever : Do you have any link??? Think that all teams that are interested in Alonso has give him offers. Now all wait on Alonsos decision.
92 LTU932 : Nico however is the most likely to go to McLaren, even if it's just for the publicity stunt of finally having a German driving for the Silberpfeile.
93 B747forever : Almost forgot that young man. He has a really bright future in F1. If he can bring a Torro Rosso to a fourth place, he can bring a McLaren to a first
94 Boeing74741R : Alonso will go to Renault, it's almost a dead cert.
95 B747forever : That is the biggest chance, but you never know. Maybe Alonso goes for RBR???
96 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Denial can be so blissful I hope you're right, I think that if he has a reliable car, he's Kimi's equal, and I'd love to see him win a championship a
97 Jamesbuk : Absoloutely, just a shame he was out shone by Hamilton, getting all the attention... B747forever, why dont you think BMW will be contenders? whats yo
98 LTU932 : No. He needs to mature more. Give him some time. No, I said "even if it was just for a publicity stunt". I know Nico has been driving outstandingly t
99 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/41408/
100 Egmcman : Depends if BMW will let him go there. I think he's more likely to rejoin BMW when a seat becomes available and by that time he will have experience o
101 Post contains images BA757 : Oh I know, I am only playing. That's exactly it. Which they would almost certainly have. Mclaren should NOT have been excluded from the Hungarian GP.
102 BA757 : Yes of the drivers championship. They didn't win the constructors. It was a gift from the FIA.
103 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : here's part of 'racecar engineerings' story on the secrets of the f2007. Lots of details of the ferrari tire gas, which wasn't only co2, as was rumore
104 B747forever : Gift or not gift. The WCC belong to Ferrari this season. I cant imagine a BMW driver to win the WDC. To hard competition. They can affect the WDC but
105 Post contains links B747forever : McLaren will release their 2008car in January. FIA will do everything they possibly can to make sure that neither of the McLarens has any element of F
106 Post contains images Scbriml : That in itself is a huge challenge. The FIA simply doesn't have the expertise to do this, and there's no way McLaren will allow anyone from Ferrari n
107 B747forever : Maybe FIA has not any expertise. But I think that someone from Ferrari has to be with FIA when they control the car.
108 Egmcman : Not many people know this but he BMW training academy driver he is a formula BMW champion . BMW have invested in him I doubt they would want to see h
109 StealthZ : You are kidding, aren't you? The FIA have made a rod for their own back here, there is no way they will be able to separate original design work and
110 Sudden : FIA might not have the knowledge, but as Bernie said himself in another article, they will use expertise from outside. That will simply never happen!
111 B747forever : What do they mean with outside???
112 Jamesbuk : I'd guess maybe an old F1 car designer from a few years back or someone who was in F1, mechanically. Rgds --James--
113 B747forever : A old F1 car designer is not always not the best. Think if that designer tells later other teams about the new car. This is not good for McLaren.
114 Post contains links B747forever : Nico not going to McLaren: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071104142746.shtml
115 Jamesbuk : Hence why i said an "old f1 car designer" meaning an F1 designer who was in it a few years ago and is no longer in F1. This is all just speculation r
116 B747forever : But he/she can still tell about the McLaren car, even if this person is not in F! now days. He can just go to Ferrari for example and tell everything
117 Jamesbuk : Well then so can anyone who looks through the car! because they are still going to have mechanical knowledge to know whats what... Rgds --James--
118 B747forever : We will see what FIA is going to do. It will be really interesting.
119 Moo : And that's what an NDA is for - McLaren aren't going to let *anyone* near the inner workings of their car without a cast iron guarantee that their in
120 Boeing74741R : Oh yes they did, whether it was a gift or not McLaren got thrown out of the constructors and it will stay that way - FACT!
121 B747forever : Thank you for that Alex. Ferrari won the WCC. You need to realize that.
122 Moo : They were awarded the WCC, which is entirely different to winning it.
123 Sudden : So what you are saying is basically that if Mclaren had won it, they would have deserved it!? Correct? Mclaren were discluded from the WCC for valid
124 Moo : Of course, what's the problem with looking at why the WCC exists? Its there to denote who builds the better car and that was not what happened in thi
125 B747forever : Is it not all about that. Being the better constructor???
126 Moo : Yes, and there's no way you can say that was Ferrari - add up all the constructor points McLaren would have had by the end of the season, and they be
127 B747forever : You cant say that McLaren was the better constructor, when they had so much info about the Ferrari. What do you know, maybe McLaren was so competitiv
128 Moo : That wasn't the belief of the FIA, otherwise they would have banned McLaren from continuing to supply cars for the 2007 season to Alonso and Hamilton
129 Sudden : What a bunch of bullshit! Sorry but that is just what it is. Look at what you are typing and you might figure it out. If Mclaren would have been allo
130 Moo : You can have your own opinion, but mine is far from bullshit. Ferrari were awarded the championship purely because their only comparable competitor w
131 Kay : Really? and what about the strategic mistakes that have plagued all mclaren races since forever including this year? for example, the fact that they
132 StealthZ : What about the team that actually cheated in a Grand Prix, won that Grand Prix, were caught out cheating yet were not penalised. What about the theam
133 Post contains images Cornish : " target=_blank>http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...shtml I'll let you off as you are young, but I think I need to help you with some translation o
134 Kay : The fact is that mclaren cheated in a major way during the spy scandal. The world council had to disqualify the team, because the scale of the scanda
135 Cornish : Including key Ferrari staff mind you. and nothing ever actually got proved that McLaren itself cheated and used Ferrari information on its cars. Even
136 Kay : I meant the constructors points. I really doubt that the world is so unfair that McLaren didn't have more to it than this. They did decide to strip a
137 StealthZ : Kay, You failed to address a couple of key issues yet choose to expand on others. The penalty for McLaren. Large, perhaps excessively so. I am not dis
138 Cornish : So did I. If McLaren hadn't been banned, by my calculations it would have finished McLaren 218 and Ferrari 204. constructors pointas are awarded iden
139 BlueElephant : As Cornish has already Explained....If McLaren was caught for cheating...then so was Ferrari...In my Opinion....it's like this... Ferrari Gives McLar
140 Kay : When reading both of your statements, two ideas (assumptions? facts?) appear to me: 1- the technicalities of the spy case are hard facts that are avai
141 Post contains images B747forever : That is great, thank you. So we can still see Nico in McLaren next year. That is really great.
142 Cornish : you forgot however that almost everybody who has ever appealed against an FIA decision has seen their punishment INCREASED. McLaren could conceivably
143 B747forever : How can you be so sure??? Now when Alonso has left McLaren, they dont have two top driver in the team that can collect point to the WCC as Ferrari wi
144 Cornish : Nothing's guaranteed, but I really hope so. He's really justified a ride in a top team with his drives this year. Mercedes would be happy as he is Ge
145 B747forever : That is right. It will be really good for McLaren if they has a German in the team.
146 Post contains images Sudden : Hunt him down tiger! Aim for the sky! Sudden
147 Post contains links B747forever : BMW hopes for a race win next season. But in a few years they think that they can win the WDC: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/07110
148 BA757 : I have been saying that since the start of all this... it takes two to tango, right? I do too. I highly rate Rosberg, and in some ways was surprised
149 Post contains links B747forever : Schumacher back in a F1 car: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071106092650.shtml
150 Waterpolodan : Cool! Glad to see him back on the track, I'm suprised he hasn't tested a car any sooner (besides his demo laps in the F2004 during the 60th anniversar
151 B747forever : Wow, 3seconds is really much. Hope that Schumacher is not so much slower. And he shouldn't be so much slower because he drove for a year ago.
152 Jamesbuk : No bias here or anything, but Mika was out for 4 or 5 years before he had his test again, the cars were alot more electrical therefore its a complete
153 Post contains images Waterpolodan : As an interesting note, MS just tested the Ducati MotoGP bike, and despite bike racing being a completely different skill set than F1 (other than know
154 B747forever : Wow, that is really great. MS has still racing blood in his veins.
155 Scbriml : Not bad, but of course (as we all know), the last couple of those are the ones that separate the best from the rest, and are the hardest to make up.
156 Post contains links Bill142 : Looks like Prodrive won't be appearing next season http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071107093105.shtml If I were Dave Richards I woul
157 Post contains links Springbok747 : Williams have named their drivers for 2008 - Nico Rosberg and Japanese Kazuki Nakajima . So does this mean Rosberg will not go to McLaren? http://www.
158 Post contains links Bill142 : I think so. Kovalinen is shaping up as the favorite for me. Apparently Briatore has arranged sponsors willing to put up $90 million to secure Fernand
159 Boeing74741R : If it's come from the horses mouth then Hamilton will have to dream on before having Rosberg as a team mate.
160 B747forever : Think also that Kovalainen has the best chance to get a drive seat with McLaren. This has to be the right alternative. I really doubt that we can see
161 Post contains links Springbok747 : Renault 'close to signing' Alonso...no big surprise really. So Fisi is going bye bye. Does this mean Alonso will stay with Renault for more than a yea
162 Bill142 : One would assume so.
163 Post contains links StealthZ : 'McLaren offices raided in latest spy scandal twist' http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2868291,00.html This BS has gone far enough! Note to
164 Springbok747 : Agreed. Time to stop this crap. What the hell is going on at the FIA and at McLaren? Whats all this 'new evidence of cheating'? Have they already sta
165 Bill142 : I think the title has been exaggerated a bit. McLaren were always going to get investigated, it was part of the WMSC decision that the 2008 car be sc
166 Scbriml : Very possibly. The use of the word "raid" implies that people turned up without McLaren's prior knowledge, armed with a court injunction allowing the
167 Post contains links B747forever : Here we go. Renault in spy scandal also: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071108144139.shtml
168 Post contains links B747forever : De La Rosa wants to replace Alonso: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071108085628.shtml Can we really see De La Rosa race for McLaren
169 Waterpolodan : I doubt it, he's a solid #2 driver but I think Mclaren will be looking for another young gun like Lewis who has the potential to win races and champi
170 Scbriml : I would agree. However, not for the first time, McLaren's policy of driver equality has cost them the WDC. If either Alonso or Hamilton had been undi
171 Legoguy : I'd put my money on Kovalainen, Sutil, or Paffett. In fact I do not see why McLaren have not got Paffett in a race seat yet. IIRC the 2007 number 2 d
172 Post contains links Moo : " target=_blank>http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189....html OK, lets actually get some unbiased reporting on this shall we? http://news.bbc.co.uk/spo
173 Bill142 : I'm surprised this one took so long. McLaren made a complaint months ago.
174 B747forever : Did they?? I didn't know that. If they made a complaint months ago, then why did it take so long time before FIA started to investigate them???
175 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/sc...1-cockpit-zurueck_spid_462892.html (German only) Michael Schumacher is returning to the cockpit, but as an occa
176 Post contains images Scbriml : I'm pretty sure Raikkonen's response to an offer of help from Schumacher will be the same as before.
177 Post contains images LTU932 : Kimi probably doesn't have the experience driving F1 cars without traction control or any other significant driving aids, so he'll need that informat
178 Post contains links B747forever : Kovalainen dont want to be number 2, if Alonso goes for Renault and Kovalainen stays with Renault: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/0
179 Post contains images Jamesbuk : And Kovalainen thinks that Alonso will be happy being equal to a rookie - Again!?! Rgds --James--
180 B747forever : That is true. Really funny. But I dont think that Kovalainen can rule out Alonso.
181 Sudden : A valid point in my mind. Why should he want to play second role? He sure wants to make a name for himself, and that will not happen if he needs to s
182 B747forever : I think he will found the speed if Renault can give him a good car.
183 Post contains links B747forever : Little turbulent about the British GP: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071109102336.shtml
184 Post contains links B747forever : Lets see what Renault says about this new spy saga: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071109162217.shtml
185 StealthZ : Renault admit that their IT people loaded Phil Mackereth's floppy discs onto the Renault F1 file system.. a pretty big no no in any IT team I would be
186 Bill142 : And the time frame from when McLaren came into the information to being found guilty was about 6 months. Not holding onto it for 12 months before own
187 ScrubbsYWG : that quote about them loading it on seems so weird to me. Does that mean that people could not bring their own files into the file system at renault
188 LTU932 : I don't know. Flavio seems to be a good friend of Bernie's, and both co-own a football club in England, so something tells me that Bernie will see to
189 Bill142 : The IT people probably didn't know what it was. They probably just ran the virus scanner over it and cleared it. Having a floppy disk does seem a bit
190 Post contains links B747forever : Hamilton admits that the tax issue in England is a reason for the move to Switzerland: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071110041733.
191 StealthZ : Many companies have very strict guidlines about introducing external files to their network and if allowed at all should require managerial approval
192 Sudden : This is so no news, and most likely the one and only reason that he left U.K. Just trying to cover it up by saying that the fans do not leave him alo
193 Post contains links B747forever : Oh no, is this really true?? I cant believe it: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071110182456.shtml
194 Post contains links B747forever : Klien also testing for Force India: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071110130455.shtml Who will get a drive seat of this two drivers
195 Springbok747 : At least he's driving a F1 car, so its not a bad thing. Ralf's options are limited now, where can he go? I don't think any of the top teams would wan
196 Bill142 : McLaren have already rebuffed an approach from his management.
197 B747forever : He can go for Force India. Think that it his only option.
198 Bill142 : It is. Every ones either full, chasing Fernando or don't want him.
199 Sudden : I go for the I hope Klien gets that drive over Ralf to be honest. Ralf have had time enough to prove who he is. Aim for the sky! Sudden
200 B747forever : That is what I also think. Maybe if it goes well for Klien with Force India we can see him drive for better teams in the future.
201 Post contains links B747forever : Will Button leave Honda??? http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071111143241.shtml Button; Hamilton may never win title: http://en.f1-liv
202 Bill142 : Why would you hang around at Honda if they're going to continue to produce crap? He has a point when it comes to Hamilton. The why Lewis talking, the
203 B747forever : That is true. For example from 2003 to 2004 with Kimi. The 2003 season was really good for Kimi and McLaren. But the 2004 season was a disaster. Will
204 Post contains images Bill142 : Well, no Fernando next year so who knows. Perhaps it will really show that his input into development was rather valuable. Or perhaps it was all that
205 Post contains links and images B747forever : You never know Hamilton says that he want to stay with McLaren for life: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071111150808.shtml
206 Bill142 : Will probably happen as well for two reasons: 1. Ron stands by his favourites. Look at how long Mika Hakkinen was with the team for. Even into retire
207 Post contains links and images Cornish : well this could be a reason why to stay..... Ross Brawn is on his way there http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7090180.stm Just t
208 Bill142 : This is excellent news for Honda. How long till we see a spy saga involving Honda? After all Stepney and Coughlan both approached Honda about jobs.
209 Post contains links B747forever : Trulli will probably stay with Toyota. That rules out Alonso. http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071112093558.shtml That is true. Ron i
210 Sudden : Indeed! This might be just what Honda needs, and we all know what Ross is capable of. I can see why he does it. At Ferrari the challenge is to stay o
211 Post contains links Scbriml : Todt replaced at Ferrari: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7090726.stm
212 B747forever : That is really sad. Will miss him so much.
213 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Brawn must be kicking himself, A few months ago he mentioned he would go back to Ferrari if Todt wasn't there anymore Ah well I never liked Todt to b
214 B747forever : Why????
215 BA757 : " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...6.stm Great news, anything that destablizes Ferrari I am all for. This is a big blow for Massa
216 B747forever : I really doubt that.
217 BA757 : Why????
218 Springbok747 : Why do you think Ferrari have been destabilized? Do you know the inner workings of the team? Won't happen anytime soon. If he does, Ferrari will have
219 B747forever : That is what I also think about. It will be a really hard job.
220 B747forever : Continue on the second part please that I have just started.
221 Sudden : First you write this, and now you write...... Why make a new thread? I can not see that anyone is connected via phone anymore!? Aim for the sky! Sudd
222 Post contains links BlueElephant : F1: Off Season Thread 2 (by B747forever Nov 12 2007 in Non Aviation) Thread number 2 has started.
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