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Rape Case, A French Youth Takes On Dubai  
User currently offlineFlashFlyGuy From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

The rape of a 15-year-old French boy in a remote patch of desert outside of Dubai has raised questions about how the country's legal system treats foreigners.

Story here

Amazingly (but not surprisingly I suppose), the victim also faces a jail sentence. The treatment he received all round stinks.

If this had happened to a kid of mine, they'd definitely want to be wishing the cops got to them, before I did.

Please ensure you fully read the linked story before you add your  twocents ...

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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

IMO the law needs to be revised. They dont believe that that males could be raped. This story taints the image of a progressive and modern UAE.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2547 times:

Lot of things are cooking in UAE, the strike amongst asian laborer, remember this youngster comes from a rich and democratic country, how about if he came from a poor and undemocratic country?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2528 times:
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Well the landscape has come into the 21st century, the mentality and mind set is still very much in the past. Maybe they talked with Iran which has no homosexuals.


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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2504 times:

There is a reason Micheal Jackson now calls the place home. Much goes on under the radar.

User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

It is well known that the tribal Pashtun people in parts of Pakistan have, shall we say, a preference for little boys - is the UAE the same?


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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 1):
This story taints the image of a progressive and modern UAE.

Very well said. What an awful story.



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User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 5):
There is a reason Micheal Jackson now calls the place home. Much goes on under the radar.

That is Bahrain, and he is there on the invitation of the ruling family and not because of anything else.

Cheers


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 3):
if he came from a poor and undemocratic country?

He then would have been thrown into jail, and the attackers would have been realeased with a financial penalty for misbehaviour.
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
a preference for little boys

15-years olds are NOT what I would call "little boys". The problem possibly is that homosexuals in "traditional" areas are oppressed, and then may develop intense "desires" somehow exploding at a given time. Such does not excuse criminal actions, but has to be taken note of.
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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
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Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
Maybe they talked with Iran which has no homosexuals.

Homosexuality is illegal in the UAE, but then the UAE is far from being alone in that respect. It's not great, but that's the way it is.

While the initial response of the authorities was unforgivable, at least the case now seems to be going through the legal process.



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User currently offlineFlashFlyGuy From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
a preference for little boys

15-years olds are NOT what I would call "little boys".

I think what Pyrex meant to say is probably 'minors' or 'young boys'. My 15 yo nephew couldn't be called 'little' as he towers over all of us at 6'2"...and we aren't short arses either.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
While the initial response of the authorities was unforgivable, at least the case now seems to be going through the legal process.

True, but then you have all the ones that have happened in the past, where the victims have not been able to speak up. Whether through fear, or if they have, they've ended up jailed....

It needs people like this boy and his family to speak up.

EDIT:
In addition I should add, I'm sure it's not happening to just young boys in Dubai, it can happen to any man. Just that this time it was a young boy and he's letting the world know.

[Edited 2007-11-04 04:35:32]

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
Well the landscape has come into the 21st century, the mentality and mind set is still very much in the past. Maybe they talked with Iran which has no homosexuals.

...and the landscape of 21st century A.net is still mired in stupidity... sarcastic ...

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
It is well known that the tribal Pashtun people in parts of Pakistan have, shall we say, a preference for little boys - is the UAE the same?

Well known? ...Got proof?



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2186 times:
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Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 11):
True, but then you have all the ones that have happened in the past, where the victims have not been able to speak up. Whether through fear, or if they have, they've ended up jailed....

I believe countries like the UAE and Qatar are slowly moving forward in respect to matters like this.

I'm not defending them on issues like these, but equally "westerners" have to accept that our standards do not always apply. When in Rome, and all that.

I have recently completed a 9-month project in Dubai. I loved the place, and it has much to commend it. There are many frustrations however. One has to learn to adapt and accept the cultural differences.



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User currently offlineCakentennis From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 1):
This story taints the image of a progressive and modern UAE.

That made me laugh. It can't be tainted, if it doesn't exist.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 13):

how about the perception of a progressive and modern UAE  Big grin



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2079 times:
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What a travesty. I wish the boy all the best, and if that were my kid, if he tests positive for aids or not, i'd sue the government of Dubai for everything they're worth, not to mention the perpetrators. I hope the perps do get the death penalty, they've effectively ruined that kid's life, not to mention potentially sentenced him to die of aids. and its inexplicable for the physician to think that he engaged in consentual sex, when he was tricked into the car to begin with, betrayed by a classmate, and gang raped at knife point, there's something wrong with that doctor's head.


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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I didn't know UAE didn't accept homosexuals. And I've always wanted to go there. Guess I can't now.. The mindset of some people... The story said the Alex fled to Switzerland in fear of being charged. Can't they still go and get him and press charges? I hope everything turns out okay for Alex.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2043 times:
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Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16):
I didn't know UAE didn't accept homosexuals. And I've always wanted to go there. Guess I can't now..

Well, as long as you don't walk around with a neon sign that says "I'm gay!", I'm not sure how anyone would know. They don't actually ask you when you arrive at immigration. If you did go, I'm fairly certain that you wouldn't be the only gay in the UAE. wink 

Despite this story, the UAE is very tolerant. As long as you don't ram your gayness down people's throats (IYSWIM), I'm fairly sure you'd be fine. yes 



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
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This happens in many places, no only in the UAE. I can think of some countries in LatinAmerica where a similar occurence is plausible.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1993 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
Well the landscape has come into the 21st century, the mentality and mind set is still very much in the past. Maybe they talked with Iran which has no homosexuals.

...and the landscape of 21st century A.net is still mired in stupidity...

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad just told an audience at Columbia University that "Iran does not have homosexuals."

Happy now!

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hATGOzv6YSmgeMY1zdYbdpyrG2cw



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User currently offlineEmirates773er From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 13):

That made me laugh. It can't be tainted, if it doesn't exist.

What makes me laugh is how someone can pass judgements on stuff which he really has no idea about?



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Despite this story, the UAE is very tolerant. As long as you don't ram your gayness down people's throats (IYSWIM), I'm fairly sure you'd be fine.

Dubai has a pretty big gay scene only comparable to Beirut in the arab world, its a pity many people don't know about it yet pass judgements.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
They don't actually ask you when you arrive at immigration

Very true, and they also don't like to smile due to some reason.  Wink



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 10):
meant to say is probably 'minors' or 'young boys'.

no doubt about this !  Yeah sure  rotfl 
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
It is well known that the tribal Pashtun people in parts of Pakistan have, shall we say, a preference for little boys - is the UAE the same?
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Well known? ...Got proof?

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he possibly meant to say that "it is known that there are people in tribal Pashtun areas with a preference for young boys"
!  Big grin
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Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 13):
This story taints the image of a progressive and modern UAE.
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That made me laugh. It can't be tainted, if it doesn't exist.

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laughing is allowed, however, there SA) and Eagle Air/Arnaflug (Iceland)">IS a progressive and modern UAE, technology and business-wise, but it is the SAME country as the fairly traditional country which fairly late started into modernity
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Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16):
The story said the Alex fled to Switzerland in fear of being charged. Can't they still go and get him

NO, they canNOT as homosexual activities are NOT a crime in Switzerland and nobody will get extradited on such charges. And "go and get him" ?  scratchchin   scratchchin   scratchchin 
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Quoting Emirates773er (Reply 20):
he really has no idea about?

ideas yes, but based on prejudice and limited pieces of information
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Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 21):
Dubai has a pretty big gay scene only comparable to Beirut in the arab world, its a pity many people don't know about it yet pass judgements.

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I suppose that many locals are not exactly happy about the size of that "scene". Which may explain parts of the problem highlighted above.


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
And "go and get him"

By "Go and get him", I meant the UAE authorities would go and get the boy to be charged.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 23):
And "go and get him"

By "Go and get him", I meant the UAE authorities would go and get the boy to be charged.

Yes yes, but HOW do you think they could GO and GET the boy ? when he is in Switzerland.  confused   confused   confused   confused   confused   confused 


25 Flygut : Sick. 15-year-olds ARE "boys" to much of the world, and no urge to take forcible advantage of a 15-year-old (or anyone else), no matter what the loca
26 Tsaord : This is just sad. Sad that this had happened to him. One of the men tested HIV positive, they identified them from sperm from inside him??? OMG. His w
27 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : 15years olds of course are BOYS, also to me. I did not imagine that somebody would take that remark so deadly serious - - A) there cannot be any excu
28 ME AVN FAN : In this I am rather pessimistic. I think it was good that the boy was evacuated out of the UAE. I like the UAE in many ways, but here, the negative s
29 Post contains links Aeri28 : The age of sexual consent in many countries average around 15 years old. Seems to be 15 in France, quite a few places it's 14. Even in the US, there a
30 ME AVN FAN : but the matter above was NOT about "consent" as the boy did NOT agree with being raped. While it of course is only too obvious that this doctor menti
31 Post contains images LAXspotter : and
32 ME AVN FAN : and his idea apparently is that the boy GAVE his consent to being raped by the three persons, and THIS is what the lawyers of the three accused of co
33 Cakentennis : Touching. That's what I was talking about. They're modern as far as technology and infrastructure are concerned. But they're ridiculously backward in
34 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : That regrettably is the case. The Arabian Gulf area since the 1960ies made unbelievable progress in regard to infrastructure and technology, but not
35 Post contains images Cakentennis : Prejudice ? yes, a little. However, limited information? I disagree, I could argue that your repartee was prompted by the American flag next to my us
36 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : no, but, well, possibly a little had you had an Omani flag next to your username, it would have been different
37 Scbriml : They have different views and values to others, that doesn't make them "ridiculously backward". It just makes them different.
38 ME AVN FAN : - "different" may be, but I would call it "very conservative and traditional", even if that to some people may be "apologist-minded", some people who
39 Scbriml : Yes, it is conservative and traditional. I respect that and their right to be thus. What frustrates me is people who can't accept that and have the s
40 Post contains links and images ME AVN FAN : sure, and THIS here is the standard taxi to the hotel : - - and here Dubai International Airport with the latest in technology : - [Edited 2007-11-05
41 Post contains images Leezyjet : Think you hit the nail on the head there. It isn't just with homosexuality, also with gambling and drinking and other things that a good Muslim isn't
42 Emirates773ER : And why should you be shouting about your sexuality from the roof tops in the first place? Every state has a right to follow its culture, tradition a
43 Post contains links Cakentennis : The authorities specifically advised the French boy against pressing charges. Of the three that raped him, one was H.I.V +. He fled to Switzerland to
44 Cakentennis : I was figuratively speaking. Contrary to what you imagine, I'm not going to march in with the rainbow flag yelling "I'm fabulous."
45 ME AVN FAN : at least drinking is allowed in all UAE emirates except Sharjah, on Bahrain, in Qatar and in Oman. - and if every state follows its culture, traditio
46 Post contains images Scbriml : As the victim himself says "They tried to smother this story." The authorities tried to discourage him and raised the possibility of charging him as
47 Max999 : The Dubai government and its related entities always markets itself as being tolerant, open, and progressive. And it's true to some degree...you go to
48 Post contains links Windshear : I am sorry mate, but you are in the deep end on this... Beirut?! I think it is a joke to read stuff like this, there are absolutely no gay rights in
49 LAXspotter : big difference, seriously big difference. Since the inception of this nation, it has been laid out in the 1st amendment that government shall not imp
50 Emirates773ER : I would be in the deep end if I said gays have rights in dubai. Read my post again, I talked about a "big gay scene", rights have nothing to do with
51 Max999 : I used the word imagine...so it's a hypothetical. I could have used country XYZ for this example. Now this XYZ country has no guarantees of religious
52 LAXspotter : agreed. On another note, although keeping in line with this discussion, there are countries where public displayal of affection is illegal, and If I'
53 Max999 : You're right...Dubai is not the only country in the world where being gay is illegal. Such laws can be a reflection of cultural values, but it does n
54 Post contains images LAXspotter : Frankly being straight should be illegal in countries such as India and China
55 Windshear : I disagree entirely, I think the lack of the latter in your sentence, rules out the first... Boaz.
56 Cakentennis : Ha! I second that notion. I'm sure Karan Johar will be the first to jump on the bandwagon. That one sentence proves what I'm talking about. Please ex
57 LAXspotter : I agree, the french boy is the victim and the UAE should take the right path to pursue and prosecute those criminals.
58 Max999 : Hahahaha Good one. China's half way there already with its one child policy.
59 LAXspotter : youre right its not, it is prevalent in every society, but the perceptions and acceptance of those people in societies is different
60 Scbriml : I wasn't telling them, I was telling you. You're complaining about the UAE's "ridiculously backward" attitude towards gays. You can simply chose not
61 Emirates773ER : Not entirely true, gays were scrutinized in the US during the 60's, does that mean that there was not a "gay scene" going on there at the moment. As
62 LAXspotter : good precisely, easy as that.
63 CJAContinental : Horrible, horrible story, my sympathy with the kid involved.
64 Cakentennis : I don't understand how this changes anything. Fine, for the sake of simplicity, let's assume I choose never to visit. Does that change the fact that
65 Tsaord : So the concensus here is that this young man was raped and the men should be prosecuted even though it may be unlikely?
66 ME AVN FAN : - The boy DID like how things are in the UAE, up to the moment he got abused, and had to make some negative experiences with that doctor and the judi
67 Windshear : This is quite laughable, because actually it is... At least in my country the media have had numerous reports about these dancing boys, our troops in
68 MD11Engineer : Since it seems to be impossible to get justice through the legetimate way, due to the bias of the judge siding with the locals and traditions, what w
69 ME AVN FAN : if sufficient money was around, the victim would have got evacuated. In bad cases, particularily with girls, there would be a danger that the father
70 Post contains images Moo : Extraordinary Rendition?
71 Scbriml : Let me make myself clear. My comment was certainly not aimed at Alexandre Robert, he is the victim of a horrible crime, he has nothing but my full sy
72 Scbriml : You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as am I. My only issue is with you calling the UAE "incredibly backwards" because their values and beli
73 ME AVN FAN : Absolutely impossible ! In case he would violate Swiss criminal laws, he would be punished and then sent out to France, as he is a French citizen. Ne
74 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : while "Europe" is NOT the same in all places. There are many "things" you can do in Britain but rather abstain from even trying to do in Greece, or S
75 Moo : I got the distinct impression that Extraordinary Rendition did not necessarily include the cooperation of the state from which the subject is taken,
76 ME AVN FAN : In short, you talk about a forced abduction by the UAE Mukhaberat out of Switzerland. Beside the point that such things are not exactly easy in Switz
77 Moo : While my original post was in jest, why not? Other countries are doing it after all........
78 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : No, they do not. Israel did similar things, in case of Israeli citizens they regarded as spies, and in case of WW-II war criminals / Holocaust crimin
79 Moo : What the hell do you think the US has been doing recently?! Where did you think the recent emergence of the term 'Extraordinary Rendition' came from?
80 ME AVN FAN : I of course know what the USA has been doing relatively recently. But they did it where they had/have their own military bases or/and even troops. Be
81 MD11Engineer : Well, back in the 1980s, Nigerian enforcers tried to kidnap a former oil minister out off London by drugging him and sending him back for interrogatio
82 Moo : What does that have to do with anything? And how does that stop another country acting in a similar manner with regard to 'a very important matter'?
83 MD11Engineer : It makes it easier to kidnap somebody and bring him out off the country if you have an airbase of your own, where the local police and customs can't
84 BigTom : But this happens to be the UAE, not Iraq or Afghanistan, where you have people running around with guns. UAE law is pretty hard on armed crime here a
85 ME AVN FAN : Quite a lot. US folks can get somebody in German to a US base, and up up and away with him without any German control involved. - sorry, is this supp
86 Moo : Oh ffs, I'm seriously regretting getting involved in this at all. At least other people have a sense of humour...
87 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Oh sure, they certainly purchase such things in Ebay !
88 Tsaord : Thats not what I think. I do not see how you came up with that. I do believe he was raped and the offenders should not just walk free, if at all poss
89 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - You wrote : and it looked as if you judged the statement of the boy to be "unlikely". And that of course was the reason for my question, WHAT you r
90 Tsaord : Exactly. I do not live in that place but from reading that article and reading post here, it gave off the impression that the courts in UAE weren't r
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