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Hollywood Writers Launch Strike  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1194...62.html?mod=us_business_whats_news

"LOS ANGELES – Film and TV writers are set to launch their first strike in nearly 20 years following the breakdown of last-minute talks to stave off a walkout.

After meeting for nearly twelve hours in Los Angeles Sunday, talks between the union representing the writers and the team that negotiates on behalf of the studios broke down late Sunday night.
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"The strike will be felt most immediately in the world of television, where talk shows like "Late Night with David Letterman" and "The Tonight Show Starring Jay Leno" are set to immediately go into reruns. Next to be affected would be production of sitcoms and soap operas, followed by dramas.

On the film side, the impact of a strike would not be felt for months, but the strike could halt production for films that are slated to be release later in 2008.
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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

I like T.V. as much as the next guy, but I'd be hard pressed to find something I care about less than a strike in Hollywood...especially by the writers.

User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

I think it's time for a song:

It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 2):
It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

My TV remains unplugged so I don't think it'll affect me much Silly



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
Film and TV writers are set to launch their first strike in nearly 20 years following the breakdown of last-minute talks to stave off a walkout.

Its about time they went on strike. The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible. We need to support our brothers who write for "Cave Man"

As for its effect on me.... I couldn't care less.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible

Are they really?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

A "writers" strike will basically be career suicide for anyone who participates. Aren't would-be writers basically dime-a-dozen? Doesn't Hollywierd not only endlessly regurgitate old story lines but also have warehouses filled with unused scripts?

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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
reruns

 mischievous  Muuahahahahahahaha - even more than Tivo, reruns are the bane of the writers guild. The show will still go on (again and again . . . ).

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 2):
I think it's time for a song:

It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

 laughing 

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible

Are they really?

Define terrible. How relative is that? They're entitled to bother producers for only 2 Mocha's per day? They're not allowed to sit in a chair next to the director? They get bothered by technical crews to rewrite material to suit their lighting and sound effects? They can't afford to live in Santa Monica, so they reside in Burbank? Terrible? Cue the violins.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 6):
Doesn't Hollywierd not only endlessly regurgitate old story lines but also have warehouses filled with unused scripts?

I thought every waiter in Hollywood had a script...and given the proverb that an infinite number of monkeys in an infinite amount of time will reproduce all of Shakespeare's works, it seems like Hollywood could find replacements pretty quickly no? I don't understand who has the leverage here.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
, but I'd be hard pressed to find something I care about less than a strike in Hollywood...especially by the writers.

We agree on something..

Well, there is some good funny shows on BBC America, live sports don't need writers, history, discover, Law and Order reruns on TNT, and USA I'll be okay.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

IIRC, the guild went on strike and made a mess of my ST:TNG season 2....hmmm...

As long as it doesn't touch BSG I'm happy.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

I saw somewhere, that all the shows for this season have already been filmed. The only shows that will be effected are the late night and talk shows along with the soaps (god forbid)

User currently offlineDSMflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Conan touched on this on Friday's show, kinda satirizing it. Bummer if they go into re-runs though. Letterman/Conan et al already take enough time off as it is.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
The only shows that will be effected are the late night and talk shows along with the soaps (god forbid)

Two of my least favorite things in the world! Well with the exception of Passions, only because it's so ri-gawd-dam-diculous.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
LOS ANGELES – Film and TV writers are set to launch their first strike in nearly 20 years following the breakdown of last-minute talks to stave off a walkout.

....and in other news, a tree fell in the woods and no one heard it....


This self-importance of these Hollywood people crack me up. Yawn.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
This self-importance of these Hollywood people crack me up

I'd say that about any union but then again I've never met a union I liked, but I truly don't know anything about the writers' strike. It seems to me that the strike will cost the writers more than they can ever hope to gain, but again, that seems to be the case of 100% of all strikes.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
As for its effect on me.... I couldn't care less.

I'd feel the same if Colbert and The Daily Show weren't directly effected. While reruns won't be too bad to watch, it was always nice anticipating how they'd report on a particular current event. Bush is probably happy knowing he can give a speech and sound like a total loon without getting hammered by the late night guys.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 6):
Aren't would-be writers basically dime-a-dozen?

Not ones with talent.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 6):
A "writers" strike will basically be career suicide for anyone who participates.

Actually, no. The writers have a lot of clout in the industry, as evidenced by what happened in 1988. The producers had not anticipated a possible strike until April, which is why they are scrambling now.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
The producers had not anticipated a possible strike until April, which is why they are scrambling now.

I don't think so. I think they're somewhat depending on the public's support and I don't see this resonating with the general public. Other than the late night talk shows which have gone into rerun mode (and hopefully a death spiral in my opinion) sitcoms/dramas won't notice any impact for weeks and the film industry won't be affected for a year as studios have been stockpiling scripts. Add in the fact that the public will watch any sh!tty game show (Deal or No Deal) and an endless parade of crap reality shows and I'm not convinced they have much leverage here. I did read "Two and a Half Men" had to suspend production so cheers to that .

[Edited 2007-11-05 18:13:58]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
sitcoms/dramas won't notice any impact for weeks and the film industry won't be affected for a year as studios have been stockpiling scripts.

Actually, a lot of daytime TV is facing an issue right away, because of the hectic schedule involved and the inability to stockpile. Further, the studios really have not stockpiled much at all because they weren't planning on a possible strike until April, like I mentioned before. Further, it appears that some of the Teamsters are planning on honoring the picket lines, which could create havoc as well.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Further, the studios really have not stockpiled much at all because they weren't planning on a possible strike until April

That's pretty much the opposite of what's being reported...
"Studios Well Stocked for Strike"
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117975369.html?categoryid=1066&cs=1



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1326 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):

That's pretty much the opposite of what's being reported...

First, it appears to be a bit of a PR puff piece for the studios, but you also have to look deeper in there. There may well be a slow down in work as studios invoke force majeure clauses and terminate production deals for films in as little as a month.

Take a look at this more thorough evaluation of the situation

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/arts/television/20cons.htm



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25086 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
It seems to me that the strike will cost the writers more than they can ever hope to gain

That isn't what happened in the last Writers strike. I was there, and we didn't work for the period, but we came out of it with a much better contract. Much better.

And even with that better contract, the studios have still profited handsomely from the new ancillary revenues.

mariner



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
First, it appears to be a bit of a PR puff piece for the studios

WSJ, CNN, and EW are reporting the same thing. Plus the NYT article says the same thing:

"Meanwhile, moviegoers would not feel any immediate impact, because studios work a year or more in advance and have been stockpiling scripts to shoot in case writers walk the picket line."

Studios will eventually be affected but not any time soon.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
That isn't what happened in the last Writers strike.

The amount of material on tv that requires writers has fallen from 80-something percent down to the 60s apparently, and it seems like the public's appetite for reality crap is insatiable.

"“The View,” which uses union writers, would be thrown into more chaos than normal"

Wait remind me why this strike shouldn't go on forever Silly?



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Are they really?

I make $7.50/hr, and only work 15 hours a week. I can barely pay my car note, I am unable to live in California...
Don't preach to me about terrible. These stupid idiots can strike for all I care. It is their own funeral. Let them deliver pizzas for a living to try to make ends meet, and they'll realize just how good they had it.


25 Mariner : Um - a somewhat seperate issue? What the writers gained on the previous strike was about ancillary revenue. The affect on production costs was minor.
26 MaverickM11 : If the public substitutes reality TV for all or even some scripted shows during, and particularly after, the strike, it would be a very real problem
27 Post contains images Mariner : You only get the ancillary revenues if the show is made in the first place. But the decline in studio (written) production began yonks ago - when I w
28 MaverickM11 : No I was just joking that if during the strike people switch to reality and non scripted shows, all the writers will have to live off would be ancill
29 Jafa39 : If David Letterman was worth his salary he wouldn't need writers. Maybe now we will get some decent stuff wrtitten for films.
30 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Damn right!! It is amazing what happens to the actors when someone takes away their script.
31 Itsjustme : First, I hope you're not inferring that David Letterman is an actor. Also, If I understand you correctly, you believe all actors do is simply read fr
32 Airfoilsguy : I have been in Hollywood and seen first hand the appalling conditions the writers have to work in. Some writers are forced to write poolside with NO
33 LTBEWR : The key issues for the union writers is payment for media product later put on DVD's and the internet, something not well or at all covered by the rec
34 Luv2cattlecall : Great, so when my B6 flight out of JFK is delayed tonight, I'll have to watch a rerun of Colbert/Daily Show. I wonder if the compensation I get from j
35 Itsjustme : I don't know which writers you have supposedly seen "first hand" but I have friends who wrote for West Wing and who currently write for ER and their
36 Post contains images Halls120 : I doubt the majority of Americans know about - or even care - about this non-event. I'd like to see someone make the case for the poor oppressed writ
37 N1120A : Anyway, the Show Runners (writer/producers) have joined the picket lines. That halts a lot of shows that are currently in production. Hey, people like
38 Freshlove1 : It will be nothing. You can't be serious. If you don't like what's offered don't watch it. Compensation...LOL! you got to be kidding!
39 Post contains images Halls120 : Yes, i can see it now. Millions of Americans joining the oppressed, downtrodden Hollywood writers on the picket line in their quest for justice. I wo
40 Post contains images Jafa39 : I think you'll find he was
41 MaverickM11 : I bet you more Americans will care about this than Iraq, Darfur, subprime loans, the declining dollar, the farm subsidy bill, and Hillary Clinton com
42 Mariner : I've tried making the case, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of point, since (a) no one seems to care what it is really about and (b) no writers ar
43 FriendlySkies : Seems a lot of actors aren't crossing the picket lines... Some shows that won't be on after this week (there are many more, I read this on MSNBC): The
44 Post contains images LAXspotter : Can some give me a link to see what these writers are demanding and how their working conditions are? I saw a bunch of them picketing in front of Par
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