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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

With assertions of the rights of Palestinians to reclaim land in Israel expected to arise at an planned Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, Md., a Jewish advocacy group has scheduled a meeting in New York on Monday to call attention to people it terms “forgotten refugees.”

The organizing group, Justice for Jews from Arab Countries, says it is referring to the more than 850,000 Jews who left their homes in Arab lands after the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948.

“This did not occur by happenstance, as is sometimes said,” said Stanley A. Urman, executive director of the group, a five-year-old New-York-based organization. “In fact, we have found evidence that there was collusion among the Arab nations to persecute and exploit their Jewish populations.”

To back the claim, the group has reproduced copies of a draft law composed by the Arab League in 1947 that called for measures to be taken against Jews living in Arab countries. The proposals range from imprisonment, confiscation of assets and forced induction into Arab armies to beatings, officially incited acts of violence and pogroms.....With the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the status of Jews in Arab countries changed dramatically, because most of those countries either declared war on Israel or supported the war to destroy the new state.

The group cites United Nations figures showing that 856,000 Jewish residents left Arab countries in 1948.

“This was not just a forced exodus, it was a forgotten exodus,” said Irwin Cotler, a former Canadian minister of justice who is scheduled to be the main speaker at Monday’s program to open the campaign on behalf of the Jewish refugees.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/05/wo...ml?_r=1&ref=middleeast&oref=slogin

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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
“This was not just a forced exodus, it was a forgotten exodus,” said Irwin Cotler, a former Canadian minister of justice who is scheduled to be the main speaker at Monday’s program to open the campaign on behalf of the Jewish refugees

 thumbsup  Good for him, then. If that's the history of it (which it plainly is), then it's time to more openly recognize it and allow it to be interjected into the Palestinian debate. The only arguments after that then, are the same old, inaccurate ones . . .

- Jews started the violence!  hissyfit 

- It wasn't Jewish land in the first place!  hissyfit 

The only things then that can be done with this information are -

- Allow the Jews to move back to their old places in the Arab world, and allow Palestinians to move into Israel.

- Ignore it, and have the Palestinians press on for their own niche in sovereign Israel.

- Deflect it, and tell what big, bad Israel is doing to oppress the Palestinians.

- Accept it, and have Jews remain where they are and offer the Palestinians places to go (in place of properties forced from Israel long ago) - and even offer them to stay as close as possible to Jerusalem in such a deal.

And which of these would happen? Certainly not the last - the Palestinians are hard-core stuck on getting Israeli land. The first wouldn't, either, of course (but was introduced tongue-in-cheek to help cover remaining "conceivable possibilities"  tongue  ).

It'll be ignored. And if this information is strongly presented in the face of the Palestinians and their supporters, it will likely be deflected.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

If youre a Jew, and a land for the Jews opens up in a land tied to Jewish culture and tradition, what Jew is going to do, be left behind? not too many of them did. Most Arab Jews (Mizrahi Jews) left for Israel, unfortuantely theyre usually of the lower social status in Israel, how many "Mizrahi" Jews can you name that have been in the highest levels of Israeli Government? I'm not going to deny that Arabs didnt want the Jews out after the creation of Israel, but the majority of Mizrahi Jews are quite satisfied in Israel. They'd rather live in a country such as Israel instead of living in a Muslim majority country.

I will admit tho, I dont know to what extent the Jewish populations of the Arab world were kicked out.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 2):
I will admit tho, I dont know to what extent the Jewish populations of the Arab world were kicked out.

But you still can comment on Mizrahi Jews?

You asked a question and here's your answer:

Prominent Mizrahi Politicians

Professor Shlomo Ben-Ami, former Israeli minister of Foreign Affairs and diplomat
Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, current Israeli minister of Infrastructure, former minister of Defense and Israel Labor Party chairman
Rabbi Aryeh Deri, former leader of Shas Party and minister of Internal Affairs
Dalia Itzik, current Knesset speaker
Avigdor Kahalani, former minister of Internal Security and decorated IDF tank commander
Moshe Katsav, former President of the State of Israel and minister of Transportation
David Levy, former minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister
Shaul Mofaz, former Israeli Minister of Defense and chief of the IDF General Staff
Yitzhak Mordechai, retired IDF general, former minister of Defense and minister of Transportation
Yitzhak Navon, fifth president of Israel and former minister of Education
Amir Peretz, current parlement member and former Israeli Minister of Defense, Labor Party chairman, and chairman of the Histadrut
Silvan Shalom, former Israeli minister of Foreign Affairs, minister of Treasury and Deputy Prime Minister
Meir Sheetrit, current Israeli minister of Internal Affairs and former Deputy Prime Minister, minister of Treasury and of Education



Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 3):
But you still can comment on Mizrahi Jews?

Yes, because I clearly know the different between that and Ashkenazi.

Quoting Windshear (Reply 3):
Prominent Mizrahi Politicians

Thanks you did answer my question, but I'm still left wondering why there isnt one who has been PM?  scratchchin 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi#Mizrahim_in_modern_Israel, There is a portion of this article which I recall, it is backed up by sources even tho it is wikipedia, quite interesting really.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 4):
Thanks you did answer my question, but I'm still left wondering why there isnt one who has been PM?...
There is a portion of this article which I recall, it is backed up by sources even tho it is wikipedia, quite interesting really.

Sorry mate, I do not quite follow you...  boggled 

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 982 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
With assertions of the rights of Palestinians to reclaim land in Israel expected to arise at an planned Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, Md., a Jewish advocacy group has scheduled a meeting in New York on Monday to call attention to people it terms “forgotten refugees.”

All very fine, but I don't get what the relevance of anti-Semitism in Arab countries is supposed to be in the context of the current situation in Palestine.

It's very good to commemorate this part of Jewish history - although the name "forgotten refugees" is a bit OTT because this is a relatively well-known period, which I'd expect any well-educated person to be at least aware of - but scheduling a conference on it to coincide exactly with a ME peace summit looks very much like playing that old, old victim card for no reason other than to stir the pot.

And why would Jews from the Middle East be the "forgotten refugees"? I'd expect far less people to know of the exodus of Ethiopian Jews and Operation Salomon, or of the pogroms that continued in Eastern Europe well after WWII ended, or of the thousands who left Poland in 1968 and the ex-URSS after 1991. Anti-Semitism is not and never was an exclusively Middle Eastern phenomenon. Pointing an accusing finger at Arabs an apparently no-one else at this conference seems a thinly-veiled attempt to derail the Annapolis meeting. Self-pity is deeply ingrained in our culture, but never is it more annoying when it's used for short-term political goals when an oppressor du jour needs to be chosen.


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