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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Although quite critical towards Nicolas,I must admit his speech this afternoon in front of the congress was a great one !
He stressed friendship,partnership and indicated a more active role of France within NATO.
France would stand next to the US when it comes to fight terror ,but he also reminded the assembly the role the US must play when it comes to financial markets end environment.
He got several standing ovations- and I think he deserved it !

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/sarkozy-lamrica.html

[Edited 2007-11-07 10:00:41]


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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

I am enthused at the fact that he is improving the relations between France and the US again, but I wonder if in the process he should get so 'close' to the Bush administration, as it won't be there too long and it's not popular anymore. The next one might very well be a truly different one, which might appreciate that France has tied the knot again, but maybe not that it did it with the former administration.

On top of that, it'll probably create increasingly difficult relations with France's long time partners, (well, mostly Germany) whose governments still retain their distance with the White House.



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):

On top of that, it'll probably create increasingly difficult relations with France's long time partners, (well, mostly Germany) whose governments still retain their distance with the White House.

We have no distance between us and the White House except the physical one. Mrs. Merkel already did what SACKozy is trying to do now. Our relationship to America is good again.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
stressed friendship,partnership

In other words, he in a true "state-of-the-art" fashion did what is known "smearing the soap around the beard of ...." ! A perfectly amazing Sarko-Show again !  yes   yes 
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Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
should get so 'close' to the Bush administration

he has just amended some things, for instance the point that France was in NATO but did not participate in the actual command structure, or that France sided with Serbia and Russia against USA, UK, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Turkey and the Arab World in regard to the Kosovo Territory, that France had costs in Afghanistan but no say. But he kept much more of a distance than Tony Blair ever did and so is far closer now to Gordon Brown and Angela Merkel
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Quoting Jush (Reply 2):
Mrs. Merkel already did what SACKozy is trying to do now.

and managed to get home that "Bremen Turk" out of Guantanamo, something the Schroeder administration either was unable or unwilling to do. Now, the EU "big THREE" have a very similar position in crucial matters, and have a productive relationship with Washington, which is a good thing


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

I appreciate your comments ,but on this one I tend to give the man some credit...
Openly hostile to many of his measures,I nevertheless keep some "benefit du doubt" credit open for Sarkozy.
He's clearly much more emotion driven than Chirac and under stress to prove to his countryman that he can deliver even without Cécilia...
Being friendly to the US does not mean being hypocrite- and he re-stated that he's a good friend but an independent one.
So let's wait and see how he manages the French mess left by his predecessors.(starting from Mitterand and his absolute disgusting way of running France..)



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
Now, the EU "big THREE" have a very similar position in crucial matters, and have a productive relationship with Washington, which is a good thing

Yup, but I'm still waiting for the next US government, whatever it may be, to come around to see what'll really and concretely happen.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
Now, the EU "big THREE" have a very similar position in crucial matters, and have a productive relationship with Washington, which is a good thing

The main reason for that is not a big change in Europe, it's the fact that the Bush administration can't afford to ostracize the rest of the world any more and that Tony Blair has left office.

Take away the idiotic Iraq campaign in 2003 and the relationship would have been pretty much on the same level back then "even" with Schröder and Chirac in office.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
re-stated that he's a good friend but an independent one.

he did THIS in an admirable way ! Refusing the "either with .... or against" in a friendly and positive way ! His position that friends can have different opinions previously was rejected by GWB, but amazingly, GWB in a quite recent interview with the German TV station ARD stated that there were differences between Putin and him but that such is no hindrance for a productive partnership !
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
manages the French mess

the French "mess" is similar to the problems elsewhere in Europe, sometimes graver and sometimes less serious
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Quoting Francoflier (Reply 5):
the next US government, whatever it may be, to come around to see what'll really and concretely happen.

the next US government will first have to take over, and has NOT to "come round to see" bit will have to come round and tell. And we then will hear what concretely will happen under Hillary C...., sorry I mean however it may be !


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Does anybody have a link to a full video or transcript of that speech in French? I can't find any after trawling Google for a long time. There's one on UMP's page, but it won't start.

Anyhow, whatever you say about Sarkozy, you can't deny he's an outstanding orator. Chirac was too, but in a different way: very calm and composed, and somewhat patronizing. Sarkozy, on the other hand, is fun to watch even if you disagree with what he's saying... Petulant, energetic, and thought-provoking. Put Sarko and Dubya together and you have probably the best and the worst public speaker in the world in the same room.  Smile

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
The main reason for that is not a big change in Europe, it's the fact that the Bush administration can't afford to ostracize the rest of the world any more and that Tony Blair has left office.

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Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Take away the idiotic Iraq campaign in 2003 and the relationship would have been pretty much on the same level back then "even" with Schröder and Chirac in office.

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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Well, I think he did a good speech, as honest as a Politician can be.

He stressed the most important, I.e. both countries are allied, for they share a commonality of objectives.

He mentioned the specifics of France, and they will never change: that Country is firmly independent, and the US needs strong allies instead of merely folloowers of US Policy..

Good job, in my opinion. The over-emotional times of 2003 are over.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Quoting Toast (Reply 8):
Does anybody have a link to a full video or transcript of that speech in French? I can't find any after trawling Google for a long time. There's one on UMP's page, but it won't start.

http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?...ticle34416&theme=14&sous_theme=16#



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User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):

Merci!  bigthumbsup 

It's only 2 short excerpts, but it gives a good idea.

Sarkozy is one of the very few politicians I'd like to translate for. His rhythm is just right and there are no "WTF?" language blunders that make interpreters panic.  Smile


User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 5):
Yup, but I'm still waiting for the next US government, whatever it may be, to come around to see what'll really and concretely happen.

I needn't worry if I was you, if it is Hillary who wins the 08' election, I guess that the ties with France would be far better or the same with Sarkozy, since Hillary is almost on the same political ideology (she is Center, more or less center right). I guess that the only thing depending is Sarkozy attitude towards the new President which I tend to guess it would be the same or perhaps better with Hillary who really has some good intentions in the environment and other subjects that Sarkozy has disagreements with GWB.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21522 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

I understand he spoke in French, so did he have a translation running?

-Mir



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User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
I understand he spoke in French, so did he have a translation running?

Yes. Notice the 2-second delay between the end of his sentences and applause. I'm pretty sure he could have done it in English, but a) he has a heavy accent and could risk a language mishap (even though everyone in Congress must be used to Pidgin English after 7 years of Dubya  duck  ), and b) he might face some heat at home for not using French when abroad. Frogs still like to think French is the international language.  Smile

How many members of Congress understand French? Probably a handful only, and those who do had to keep it secret until recently.  Wink

It's good to see the era of Freedom Fries and Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys draw to a close. I hope the folks who encouraged that childish hysteria feel like the fools they are...


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Quoting Toast (Reply 14):
I hope the folks who encouraged that childish hysteria feel like the fools they are...

Nope , if it was not for us their would be no reason to "rebuild relations". Forget the freedom fry gang , that is just a handle put on to those who felt betrayed by the French. Chirac and his government backed down in face of Saddam's blackmail possibility and pressure from "immigrants" in french cities. Sarkozy has shown some courage in exposing the threat the immigrants pose to France and is at least trying to address it from what we read.

Iraq will stabilize and France knows it , I am a little pissed that they are now deciding to jump on for the ride but I am glad they are.Our people have bled and died for Iraqi freedom , now watch how everyone will line up... hell even Hillary stands to turn her yes vote on its head.



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User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Chirac and his government backed down in face of Saddam's blackmail possibility

And it turned out France was right and the US was wrong. "Freedom Fries" discretely disappeared from Congressional menus long before Sarkozy was elected.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
pressure from "immigrants" in french cities.

So you're saying that part of the anti-French hysteria was due to the in-depth knowledge Americans have of French internal policies, and their disagreement with them?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Our people have bled and died for Iraqi freedom

Nope,they died for Dubya, Rummy, and Dick. It's amazing there are still people around who believe otherwise.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
I am a little pissed that they are now deciding to jump on for the ride but I am glad they are

No, they're not. France will not send troops to Iraq.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Iraq will stabilize

By the time that happens, both Dubya and Sarko will be distant memories. But that's another thread...


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Quoting Toast (Reply 14):
(even though everyone in Congress must be used to Pidgin English after 7 years of Dubya ),

The delay to decipher Jorge Bush's speech was probably greater than Sarko's.  Smile

Quoting Toast (Reply 14):
It's good to see the era of Freedom Fries and Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys draw to a close.

Never. They're still and always will be cheese eating surrender monkeys. But I dig Sarko. France needs someone like him to shake them up a bit lest France become irrelevant.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
And it turned out France was right and the US was wrong



Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
Nope,they died for Dubya, Rummy, and Dick.



Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
By the time that happens, both Dubya and Sarko will be distant memories

Speculation. Let's stick to the facts in this thread.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Chirac and his government backed down in face of Saddam's blackmail possibility and pressure from "immigrants" in french cities.

Chirac backed down to common sense. People of Arab origin in France of course did not like to see a western attack onto an Arab country, and particularily the French citizens among them (some 50%) used their influence, just as anybody else.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Sarkozy has shown some courage in exposing the threat the immigrants pose to France

He never said that THE immigrants pose a threat, he however is against illegal immigration, and he has given the job to implement improvement schemes in immigration-dominated suburbs to a minister of Arab origin. He already as interior minister has been active in this field, and this with the support of President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin.

Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
Iraq will stabilize
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By the time that happens, both Dubya and Sarko will be distant memories. But that's another thread...

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The future of course always is speculation. And so, my speculation is that the USA will withdraw in 2009-11, that the old Iraqi officer corps will get reinstated into their commands, that the parties banned at present will be re-allowed, that an Iraqi general will take over "to save the nation" while promising elections within 6 years and 2 months, and will send the clerics back to the mosques. Thereby stabilizing Iraq within the presidential term of Mr Sarkozy ! But of course, this is just what my crystal-ball says !
 Big grin


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