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Driving While Latin, Floridas' Newest Crime!  
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

its 1230 AM and I am sleeping because I have a stage check tomorrow for a flight course, I get a call from a friend, he has been pulled over for speeding, he sounds worried, he tells me to go to his house and get his passport and I20 immigration form and bring it to an apartment complex in Melbourne, Florida. I do so and when i get there I see 4 cop cars, a police dog and my friend seeing his 60K dollar Mercedes being ripped apart.

The reason? the dog barked! apparently the infallible K9 nose decided he was smuggling cocaine, he has been there for about 1 hour and the police "cant find his license in the system". They have both been searched from head to toes and nothing but a bag of Doritos has been found in the car. The cops take his camera and say that there are pictures of my friends with coke in it, Bullshit, they are just trying to force them to "confess". As soon as I get there with their passports and my lawyer aunt on the cell phone they say sorry for the inconvenience and leave him a warning for speeding. The car had its floorboard and side panels damaged and it is now 130 am.

The police went out of their way to try and scare them, intimidate and humiliate them, they were yelling out loud how bail was gonna be 15K dollars and how they were gonna charge them with everything in the book and how they knew that there was cocaine in the car because the dog was never wrong.

The reason for this madness? my Friends are Latin and were coming back from a weekend of clubbing in Miami, driving a Mercedes, therefore they HAD TO BE drug dealers. He has never ever done coke in his life let alone had it in his car and the pictures in the camera which I saw with my own eyes just should them having a good time at a club in MIA. Now they are left with a damaged car and a humiliating experience.

Just a story from this little redneck town of mine. Untill when will we tolerate this police state of ours? cops in the US have too much power and this country is turning into a dictatorship no better than Venezuela or China. When did freedom and private property become expendable rights in the war against terrorism?

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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Sounds horrible, what did they exactly do to his car? Was your friend speeding? Why did the cops check him for coke?


"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Just a story from this little redneck town of mine. Untill when will we tolerate this police state of ours? cops in the US have too much power and this country is turning into a dictatorship no better than Venezuela or China. When did freedom and private property become expendable rights in the war against terrorism?

You were going so well until you started spewing this BS. If the dog seriously smelled cocaine, then it should be investigated. The cops should also have to pay for the damaged car since they were wrong. Their interrogation techniques do seem off, but no reason for you to go spouting off about racist cops. You have as much evidence as them being racist as they have about your friend having coke.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
cops in the US have too much power and this country is turning into a dictatorship no better than Venezuela or China.

That's quite the stretch.

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
my Friends are Latin and were coming back from a weekend of clubbing in Miami, driving a Mercedes, therefore they HAD TO BE drug dealers

Or it could be because the drug dog hit on something. I'm not saying that what the police did was right, I don't know all the details, but let's not jump straight for the race card.

I've had my car searched by the police too, and I'm about as "white" as they come.


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
cops in the US have too much power and this country is turning into a dictatorship no better than Venezuela or China.
That statement is taking this a little to far.

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
When did freedom and private property become expendable rights in the war against terrorism?
What does this have to do about terrorism?

Anyway back to the story. It sounds horrible, I have had a few friends in these bad situations before with cops, most of the time small town cops doing things like this and its horrible. The story sounds bad, and it sounds like the cops had no reason to go crazy. If the dog smelled something than they had all the right to search the car, but the way they did it was not right. I hope someone got some badge numbers and names? Make the Department pay for the damage and if they dont threat to sue the city with discrimination of something, that will make their ears go up a little bit. Just as much of a right as the cops had to search the car because of the dog you have a right to take down names of the officers. Some officers will try to intimidate people. I myself have never experienced this much, and in the small intimidation I have received in the past I dont react much to it and just talk to the officer in a respectful manner and keep my cool, I think most of the time this will help deter behavior from Police Officers like what happened to your friend.
Now if they were stopped back in Miami by Miami/Miami Beach/County police they probably would have just given a speeding ticket and they would have been on the way. But they did have problems finding their license in the system which is a problem you may want to check out. But it is obvious these cops were looking for a big bust and not just another speeder.

Simple things to try to keep things like this from happening (I am not saying that your friend acted in a disrespectful manner I am just saying this for reference of anyone else while where on the subject)
Dont speed ?
Always act in a respectful manner
Try not to act nervous.
If the officer wants to search and you dont have anything to hide than let him search. ( if you have something to hide hopefully know one ever does you do have the right to not let him search)
At night always turn on your interior lights.
Turn your engine off once your stopped
keep your hands in sight the whole time.
Have important papers in easy to access places.
But dont let the officer intimidate you into saying something you did not do, you have rights just like the officer does.

But remember the type of cops which did that to your friends is a major minority. Most cops will not act like that and are just tyring to do their job, but these bad experiences are horrible to hear about, I hate it when some cops do things like that.
(of course much of this comment is based that the story you said is the truth and not exaggerated at all)

[Edited 2007-11-11 23:22:16]


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

As for the race card, what race is Hispanic? Isn't that an ethnic background? Like European?

If the dog smelled cocaine, the police have probable cause.

One thing here, for certain, we are relying on heresay and word of mouth. None of us were there to witness either side. As for damages brought about by the PD, if there was probable cause (the dog sniffing cocaine), should the PD have to remit for said property loss? Just a question being thrown out there.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 4):
Simple things to try to keep things like this from happening (I am not saying that your friend acted in a disrespectful manner I am just saying this for reference of anyone else while where on the subject)
Dont speed ?
Always act in a respectful manner
Try not to act nervous.
If the officer wants to search and you dont have anything to hide than let him search. ( if you have something to hide hopefully know one ever does you do have the right to not let him search)
At night always turn on your interior lights.
Turn your engine off once your stopped
keep your hands in sight the whole time.
Have important papers in easy to access places.
But dont let the officer intimidate you into saying something you did not do, you have rights just like the officer does.

Try not to act nervous ? With some beefy trigger-fingered PTSD neanderthal nutjob with a big gun yelling at you about how he's going to jail your ass ? Yeah, right...


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
Try not to act nervous ? With some beefy trigger-fingered PTSD neanderthal nutjob with a big gun yelling at you about how he's going to jail your ass ? Yeah, right...

That right there is quite the assumtion that you're making. Maybe we should hear both sides of the story before we go calling law enforcement PTSD neanderthal nutjobs. Just a thought.

Edit - I thought that I'd add this. The whole premise of this post is that the police made inaccurate assumptions about this gentleman. How is what you just said any different?

[Edited 2007-11-12 00:16:23]

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 7):
How is what you just said any different?

I don't have

a) powers of arrest
b) a gun

with which to back my statement up by force if necessary. Those two things make any argument very one sided.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
The reason for this madness? my Friends are Latin and were coming back from a weekend of clubbing in Miami, driving a Mercedes, therefore they HAD TO BE drug dealers.

You know this for a fact?


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):

This is called heresay. It is more of a rant than anything.

And I am hispanic. This hasn't happened to me, and I have gone up and down the coast.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Luisca I understand your frustration, it is not a nice feeling to be painted with one brush. But I think you painting all cops with the same brush is just as wrong and just as irresponsible. I think in all likelihood your friend was unlucky to run into a cop with a stick up his ass who decided a forceful performance was in order to make his point. That's just my 2 cents.

As somebody who get more than his fair share of love from the Dept of Homeland security every time I enter the states I only take issue with the agents who are brash and unprofessional. It is simply not appropriate or fair to make broad sweeping statements, although I will admit that such thoughts have crossed my mind on certain occasions.

YOWza



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Untill when will we tolerate this police state of ours?

 sarcastic 

Credibility lost right here.

Any objectivity you may have shown is now crap.

Anything further you spew on this topic is tainted.

Any further discussion on your rant is unwarranted and a complete waste of time.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
Untill when will we tolerate this police state of ours?

Even though this country has its faults its nowhere near to becoming a police state. In terms of olice corruption countries like China, Venezuela and Russia are FAR worse than us.

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
The reason for this madness? my Friends are Latin

But you said that the police dog barked at the car ? Does that mean that the dog is also racist and is taught to bark at every hispanic that it sees



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
Does that mean that the dog is also racist and is taught to bark at every hispanic that it sees

Or every Mercedes?

 sarcastic 

"Good Boy, it's a Mercedes, go get it Spot, go get it!".


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3695 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Police profile and they had probable cause. Get over it. And trying to turn it into a racial thing is a no-go. As a white male, I've been profiled and harrassed(in my mind) several times. Go cry somewhere else.

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
I don't have

a) powers of arrest
b) a gun

with which to back my statement up by force if necessary. Those two things make any argument very one sided.

I wanted to know where you get off calling all police PTSD neanderthal nutjobs?

If your answer to that question is because you don't have the power of arrest or a gun, then this whole thread just reached a whole new comical level.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 16):
I wanted to know where you get off calling all police PTSD neanderthal nutjobs?

That is exactly how they come across when they are aggressive and abusive. If a policemen feels he has to search my car, fine, that's his job, but there is no necessity whatsoever to become verbally abusive or threatening, as it appears they did in the case described above. Do the job, if there are grounds for arrest, no doubt they will do so, but there's no need to get aggressive about it.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
its 1230 AM

So it was obviously dark. No way the cops knew your friend was Hispanic when he was first pulled over.

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
The reason? the dog barked! apparently the infallible K9 nose decided he was smuggling cocaine, he

And? Who knows if the dog smelled residue from inside the car that was left by someone who does or did do cocaine that rode in the car? Those dogs have incredible sniffing capabilities and can pick even something that small up. I'm sure the dogs make mistakes, but you still have to assume that if he's barking, he smells drugs (well, that's assuming his "I found drugs" signal is to bark. For some it's to sit or laydown, etc.) Hell, you're a pilot- "Trust your instruments."


Quoting Mham001 (Reply 15):
Police profile and they had probable cause

And it may not have even had anything to do with the guy being Hispanic. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case with this one, as the cops were probably on a power trip, especially during interogation, but if you're first pulled over for speeding and the drug dogs sniff something in your car, then there's a good chance that you're smuggling drugs. Not 100%, but it can't be ignored.

It's also time we stop with this "stop profiling and be politically correct" bullshit. Like Ron White says "They were stopping all the cars driving down that particular sidewalk, and that's profiling. And profiling's wrong."


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting Luisca (Thread starter):
The police went out of their way to try and scare them, intimidate and humiliate them, they were yelling out loud how bail was gonna be 15K dollars and how they were gonna charge them with everything in the book and how they knew that there was cocaine in the car because the dog was never wrong.

The reason for this madness? my Friends are Latin and were coming back from a weekend of clubbing in Miami, driving a Mercedes, therefore they HAD TO BE drug dealers.

Believe it or not it happens to honkeys too. How old is he? If he's pretty young and driving an expensive car early in the morning, it probably would have happened to anyone.

BTW, its latino.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

I'm sure next time they will obey the posted speed limit.

User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 20):
I'm sure next time they will obey the posted speed limit.



Quoting WellHung (Reply 20):
Believe it or not it happens to honkeys too. How old is he? If he's pretty young and driving an expensive car early in the morning, it probably would have happened to anyone.



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 18):
And? Who knows if the dog smelled residue from inside the car that was left by someone who does or did do cocaine that rode in the car? Those dogs have incredible sniffing capabilities and can pick even something that small up. I'm sure the dogs make mistakes, but you still have to assume that if he's barking, he smells drugs (well, that's assuming his "I found drugs" signal is to bark. For some it's to sit or laydown, etc.) Hell, you're a pilot- "Trust your instruments



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 15):

Police profile and they had probable cause. Get over it. And trying to turn it into a racial thing is a no-go. As a white male, I've been profiled and harrassed(in my mind) several times. Go cry somewhere else.

All I can say is I hope it doesn't happen to you, the humiliation of standing in the cold for 2 hours while your car is being ripped apart for no good reason, even if their initially was suspicion there was no reasons to drag it on like this.

It is daytime now and I am no longer tired and angry, just angry, I have spoken to my friends again and they say that the whole thing started with the cop performing the traffic stop, who happened to be a K9 unit. while performing the traffic stop he was really aggressive, asking things like how can you afford this car?, what does your dad do?, were are you coming from?, and then he asked them to step out of the car, searched them, then let the dog into the car, that is when he barked on the passenger seat, he started harassing the Passenger about how he was gonna throw him in jail, to just try to harass him into a confession, then he told the passenger that there were pictures with coke in the camera and to tell him were it was. The police officers in the backup cars were laughing apparently enjoining the power trip he was going on.

When I showed up with his passport they magically found his DL in the system, even though they have given him a ticket before, apparently at about 1 am the backup cars finally got tired and were telling the police officer that had made the stop that it was enough, to let it go. He finally gave up not before yelling that they might have won this time but that he would catch them and then came the comment, they think they can come into this country and just break our laws and not get caught.

Take it how you want it.

[Edited 2007-11-12 12:59:55]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2494 times:

Sounds like you got a hard-ass cop on a bad day. There's no justification for that sort of treatment, but it happens, and making references to a police state is taking things way too far.

At least you and your friends didn't let yourselves get dragged into his game.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

You friends shouldnt have been speeding, that way he could have avoided this fiasco. I think the police have every right to search your car if the Dog sniffs something, and hopefully they reimburse your friend, your friend should have sped in the first place.  Smile


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
All I can say is I hope it doesn't happen to you, the humiliation of standing in the cold for 2 hours while your car is being ripped apart for no good reason, even if their initially was suspicion there was no reasons to drag it on like this.

I live in Florida. It was not "cold" last night, even at 1230 AM, even up here in DAB.  sarcastic 

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
All I can say is I hope it doesn't happen to you, the humiliation of standing in the cold for 2 hours while your car is being ripped apart for no good reason, even if their initially was suspicion there was no reasons to drag it on like this

Really? About a year ago, a post-it note with a bomb threat was found on my dad's plane. The entire aircraft was detained and questioned for several hours. He didn't describe anyone on a power-trip, which I think is the only issue in your story, but point is, the suspicion for a bomb was there and thus had to be handled seriously and fully resolved.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
while performing the traffic stop he was really aggressive, asking things like how can you afford this car?, what does your dad do?, were are you coming from?,

All fair questions as far as I'm concerned when there's a young person with a suspicion of cocaine.


Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
he started harassing the Passenger about how he was gonna throw him in jail, to just try to harass him into a confession, then he told the passenger that there were pictures with coke in the camera and to tell him were it was. The police officers in the backup cars were laughing apparently enjoining the power trip he was going on.

You see, you have a legitimate complaint here, and I think you should follow up on this part.
But as far as the thread is concerned you've lost your legitimacy and your credibility by stereotyping police officers in the manner you have, when I'm sure on more than one occasion, that cop has dealt with real drug dealers, seen their profile, etc.


25 Luisca : let he who has no sin cast the first stone, who hasnt been cought speeding before? It was 68, my definition of cold![Edited 2007-11-12 15:39:57]
26 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Me. Zero traffic tickets to my name, knock on wood.
27 LAXspotter : Well never speed, that way you dont have to go thru a whole lot more. I try not to speed on "Deserted" interstates where the police will have a easie
28 WildcatYXU : And doing a pisspoor job. Surprisingly, the cop members will defend him as always. This is your idea of dealing with speeders? Well, mine is differen
29 FlyDeltaJets87 : *sigh* Sometimes I wish people would read all of your post before responding.
30 Post contains images LAXspotter : huh me too, but thats because I'm obsessed with getting excellent mileage in my car
31 AA61Hvy : I understand sometimes the cops go over board, but look at it from their perspective-they need to know what's exactly going on. So sure they will ask
32 Post contains images LAXspotter : same shit happened to my dad. Those bastards are at the most unexpected corners at the oddest hours.
33 FlyDeltaJets87 : Yeup. My dad got pulled over in East St. Louis at the early hours of the morning, as he'd have to commute to his office in downtown St. Louis from Be
34 Post contains images LAXspotter : one word: tachometer, look @ it carefully. The problem with me is I cant afford to drive 70 because everyone is going 80 in these parts, but in the L
35 FlyMIA : Well the officer has all the right to ask you to step out of the car but thats it. Unless he can smell or see something from the window as long as yo
36 DC10extender : Are you serious? No really, are you kidding? If anything, police officers in this country have too little authority. We are absolutely nothing like V
37 LAXspotter : jesus, that accusation comes fast. Although I do not agree wtih his stereotyping of cops, I dont see how is comments were anti-american.
38 DC10extender : Basically, he said America is a corrupt police state that is turning into a dictatorship. I don't know about you but that seems anti-American to me.
39 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Credibility and objectivity is pure opinion of the other person. Youre credibility and objectivity in my opinion was lost when you became a cop. Yea
40 Nuori5084 : A cop bashing thread! I've finally joined so I can now defend my minority here. If there was a dog called; then there's suspicion on the officer's par
41 Post contains images FlyMIA : No really i am serious, besides for me disagreeing with the low speed limits in this country and the cops that give tickets for someone going 12 over
42 Mike89406 : If I was your friend I would definatley go after damage compensation for the car damage thats the least he can do.
43 LOT767-300ER : Actually the majority is 99% authority rear kissers, 1% people who dont kiss authority rear. I had a K9 bark at me in immigration (Agriculture) in Bo
44 Post contains images Sovietjet : is it really necessary to pull someone over for supposably bright lights
45 Nuori5084 : Or until it's convenient for them. Dogs are well, animals. They do have an appetite and will go for food. They aren't perfect, but a darn close when
46 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : Who knows? I witnessed on this god green earth in the passengers seat when my buddy got pulled over in a V6 Camaro in Hoffman Estates for having too
47 Miamiair : Another Po-Po bashing rant, how droll. I see your white polar bear ass getting tossed in the clink if you use deadly force without justification.
48 Post contains links Luisca : Quoting Nuori5084 (Reply 40): Let me clear this up: Reasonable suspicion: I am following a car and I observe the diver is failing to maintain their la
49 Miamiair : You got caught, quit your bitching. I got caught speeding in Georgia, got a ticket, I paid the fine; I didn't come here and whine about it. What is a
50 CaptOveur : I know this is totally out of the realm of possibilities.. However, what do you think the chances are your friend, or one of his friends had cocaine i
51 Luisca : No, they have been my friends for a very very long time, I even have acces to their apartment, I have never ever seen them do coke. It was new. The o
52 CaptOveur : a police dog is a highly trained animal not likely to break its training over a snack.
53 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I see LOT7678306830892098234908ER has chimed in with his anti-law enforcement bullshit as expected. Glad you could join in - I was wondering what happ
54 CaptOveur : make it against the law. The cops you hate so much can't write a ticket for something that isn't against the law. Also, if the law is weak, confusing
55 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : But yet you say this in the thread starter. Okay. Now when I think of police states, I certainly think of abuse of power and corruption. Um, accordin
56 LH423 : Because the US Constitution wasn't written "No Illegal Search and Seizure...unless you have nothing to hide". Sorry, but if you want to search my veh
57 Shadez : The problem with speed limits is that they are enforced in some places and not in others. On my drive from South Florida to Daytona going 80 in a 60 i
58 Maverick623 : Unless the dog "hits" on a scent from your car. Those questions are fair and are often used to trip up suspects later. And you're right: the person s
59 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Yes I was waiting for about angry replies...on time as usual from the other side. Jailed? Meh....thats not my thing. I dont know about that, I got a s
60 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : And who defines "open road"? The driver? The cop? The state, in "so many cars per minute passing through a point on the highway?" You're just asking
61 Maverick623 : Not illegal in most jurisdictions. Again, not illegal unless you're doing less than the minimum speed on a freeway, which only a handful of states ha
62 CaptOveur : They wouldn't pull you over for bullshit unless they were looking for something else. Vehicle profiling is the only thing more common than racial pro
63 Post contains images LAXspotter : , yep happened to my African-American friendd (18yr old) got pulled over for basically driving his dad's jaguar in Westchester area of Los Angeles, a
64 AirframeAS : Me too, I'm totally the same way. I mainly do it to conserve as much gasoline as possible. My friends go anal when I do 70 on the freeway. They usual
65 Post contains images MaidensGator : The OP's description is double hearsay.... Only thing OP witnesses is the cops saying sorry.... Cold???? In MLB???? Come on.... The dog alerting is p
66 Post contains images LAXspotter : The problem is that over here in the Inland Empire,CA specially on the I-10 between LA and San Bernardino everyone drives at 80 and trying to drive 6
67 Post contains images AirframeAS : What kind of a car do you have? I have a 2005 Ford Focus ZX4. And it hasn't even hit 30,000 miles........yet!
68 LAXspotter : Toyota Camry 2003 V4, almost 90,000 Miles. Yep, I need fuel economy.
69 Post contains images AirframeAS : Get a sexy looking 2005 Toyota Corolla Sport.
70 Post contains images LAXspotter : Nah, I'm looking toward a full-size Toyota Avalon, but I'm unemployed Back on Topic, how are the speeds in the PHX area? without too much congestion?
71 Post contains images AirframeAS : People here drive like they just came from California and drive recklessly going 90. I still maintain my speed of 70 anyway in the middle lane. I cou
72 Luisca : No I dont know anything about them, your point?
73 Jpax : Screw the topic, how was the stage check?
74 ANCFlyer : You prattle on like your an expert on them, what should and shouldn't alert on, what happens if they do or don't alert . . Oh, here's a news flash -
75 LAXspotter : can any cop verify my logic in that reply?
76 Post contains images Viaggiare : with a distinct proclivity for spoiled rich kids driving extravagant toys.
77 LH423 : For sure. I'm not doubting that. I was just responding to the old "if you have nothing to hide" comment someone made. Sure, it may make things easier
78 Nuori5084 : What's your question here? Don't give any tickets on eight-lane freeways? Pay more attention in the number 1 lane. Just because someone got away with
79 LAXspotter : thanks, that really helped, but how do you single out thousands of cars all going 80 tho?
80 Nuori5084 : No problem. By means of radar, pacing, air unit, etc.
81 LAXspotter : so how high is the speed where you give tickets, 1 over , 5 over?
82 IFEMaster : Pure speculation. The rest is unfortunate, but it happened. You need to get over it. And your friend does to.
83 WildcatYXU : And that qualifies you to the title of king of the stupid. There is a very good reason to go with the flow. It's obviously not legal. But it's common
84 Post contains images LAXspotter : he doesnt care, he's a Cop . Besides, I'd rather drive 65-70, the fuel savings are astronomical when compared to driving @85MPH.
85 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Someone draws the short straw. So then why do you start a post ranting about an event that started because of what the police dog did if you don't kn
86 Post contains images LAXspotter : damn it , by the grace of God it hasnt happened yet , when it does I will post Its bad enough having your friends in the car driving on the Highway.
87 Post contains images FlyMIA : Completely agree with that. I will always go with the flow of traffic when I am on the highway its just he safe and comon sense thing to do.
88 Itsjustme : My educational background tells me 12:30am to 1:30am equals 1 hour, not 2. Makes me wonder what else about this supposed incident you have embellishe
89 YOWza : I picked up on that too but in his defense he never said that that is when it all ended. YOWza
90 Sovietjet : +1 I completely agree. Let's say you have the person going 55mph in the lane where everyone is going 80. So someone sees him, brakes suddenly because
91 Shadez : Yep, it's more dangerous to go slower then the rest of the traffic. Accidents happen when people are going two different speeds and don't see each oth
92 Nuori5084 : Freeway traffic vs. city traffic isn't quite enforced the same. 15+ MPH usually on freeway and 10+ usually on surface streets. It all depends.
93 Nuori5084 : Wow. I'd expect to see something this mature from a kid and not someone allegedly in the "36-45" age range. Then again, nothing surprises me anymore!
94 LAXspotter : thanks, and thats good I never go beyond those speeds anyway, I'm a conservative driver
95 FlyMIA : Everyone speeds that is a given fact. When I drive on the highway and see cops most of the time they are doing 75-80mph in a 55zone even though they
96 Shadez : I find my self smart enough to know how fast I should be driving. I will not put myself in a position to be harmed. I set my own speed limits based o
97 Shadez : See, thats my point. I wish cops could see the difference between a safe 72 and an unsafe 72. It all depends of the surrounding elements.
98 WildcatYXU : Cut it, please. I'm probably in the age of your father and i most likely have 10 x more driving experience than you have, except I don't have your fa
99 LAXspotter : it saves gas be happy. Going at 55 and going at 75, means a 30% reduction in fuel efficiency. Lets say you get 20MPG at 55MPG driving a Chevy Tahoe,
100 LOT767-300ER : It really is useless to argue with cops in the USA/Canada so give it a rest. The reason why the whole world laughs at American drivers is because of o
101 Post contains images LAXspotter : Rhetorical Question? Key Word: Montana, wouldn't be applicable and possible in Los Angeles
102 WildcatYXU : How about driving a more fuel efficient car? Anyway, the real killer is the city driving, not highway. My fuel economy goes to hell when my car doesn
103 Post contains links LAXspotter : I beg to differ. Your driving in the city can only fluctuate about 5-8%, but when youre driving on the Highway your fuel efficiency can fluctuate fro
104 Post contains images Sovietjet : Yea I hate the robotic attitude most, basically not looking at the situation before deciding what should be done, instead repeating the same old shit
105 WildcatYXU : Oh Jesus! You want to argue with my car's fuel economy display or what? BTW, the rule should be the same as with the aviation: use the right equipmen
106 LAXspotter : yes, my age factor really talks about my intelligence or knowledge about somethings. I guess a 55 year old Janitor could know more about mathematics
107 FlyMIA : At 55 I get about 17mpg so yea at a steady 75 I will get around 13-14 its not to bad. My family would not drive SUVs if we could not afford the fuel
108 Post contains images LAXspotter : Thankyou for understanding , BTW what kind of SUV is it? You should actually get around 18-19MPG Highway at 60-65MPH, unless its an Excursion
109 WildcatYXU : Your age factor talks about your experience. And while I don't doubt your intelligence, experience simply comes with years. Sorry, that's just life.
110 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Ivan are you living in the same apartment complex still? I remember parking last time on the side there but dont remember any garages? Anyways I will
111 Post contains images LAXspotter : okay, agreed BTW, I'm very familiar with that car, it used to sell as the Maruti Esteem in India, what is the speed limit on the highway in Italy?
112 Nuori5084 : I am done debating semantics. You win! That's right (I am 23) you're old enough to be my father; yet I should know more criminal law than you ever wi
113 Luisca : Read my post... It ended at 130, it started around 1130, I got there at around 1245 after I picked up my friends documents. All of you people out the
114 LAXspotter : Yeah, pretty much my questions were about the way officers like to think. Like you said anything 10 over on the highway, and youre caught. Most peopl
115 WildcatYXU : It was trough Austria and Italy, Austria has 130 km/h (now they have some areas with 160 km/h), Italy has 110 km/h on free highways and 130 km/h on t
116 Post contains images Sovietjet : Yea I'm still in the same spot. You probably didnt see them. Every house has its own garage. The Subaru is fine, I got hit in my second car...2001 Ni
117 Nuori5084 : Not all officers think one way or another. Some are lenient, others not so. Others, well it depends on the day and is up for interpretation. I am kno
118 Post contains images FlyMIA : Well honestly I dont think I ever cruised at 55mph in my life. Its either traffic or cruise at 70. I guessing I would get about 17-18 at 55 with crui
119 AeroWesty : The cop would have been correct, as you caused an obstruction to the flow of traffic while backing up. I went through nearly this exact same scenario
120 Sovietjet : Maybe, but there was more than enough clearance to go through without even noticing I was there because not even half my car was out, it's just that
121 AeroWesty : It doesn't matter. The law says (in most states, I'm told, though we could look that up if someone wants to make an issue of it), that the person bac
122 Sovietjet : I know it doesn't. I'm not picking on you, I'm just saying that laws like that(if x then y no matter what) are stupid and unfair and there should be
123 Post contains images N710PS : Doubtful, I would say it was more the dog that set off the alarm. Being a semi local to Florida I can tell you there are plenty of the latin druggies
124 CaptOveur : 5 hours of paperwork because some burnout buys a dime bag. It is even worse if you disassemble someone's benz because Fido alerted on something you c
125 Post contains images Viaggiare : That's wicked, dude. If the rest of us could only be like you, there'd be no reason whatsoever to even have laws, traffic or otherwise. And law enfor
126 Aa757first : I hope your friend gets reimbursed for the damage to his car. Just out of curiosity, did the officer apologize or even recognize the damage they caus
127 LOT767-300ER : Like the Polish joke goes why always 2 cops walk together. One to talk, one to write. Obviously, your strong suit is not spelling/writting. God creat
128 Post contains images SW733 : Yeahhhh...sorry....same thing happened to me in Dodge City, Kansas. And I am as white as could be. Not gonna fly here. ...LOT, I like you and all, bu
129 Phatfarmlines : I haven't. All of this could have been avoided had he not been speeding, especially early morning when the cops are out in full force and there aren'
130 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : Listen to me son. Its not my fault I drove a typical drug muscle car in High School. Ok but a test of your knowledge since you know HE good. Why is H
131 Nuori5084 : Arrests can be a pain in the "ass" depending on the circumstances. If I get into something at it goes beyond my shift, that's overtime and I am not c
132 VarigB707 : Over here in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, in Arlington, cops started raiding bars for possible DWI party goers. So, they had undercover cops inside the b
133 LOT767-300ER : Thats ridiculous! You cant leave the bar drunk? That does not make ANY sense.
134 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : This time on the front page of Yahoo from Bolingbrook. Sick. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071115/ap_on_re_us/police_officer_s_wife
135 Nuori5084 : " target=_blank>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071115/..._wife What's your point? There are bad apples in every industry. Yes, it's more shocking in th
136 Post contains images LAXspotter : , everyone seems to point out Cops as power hungry, robotic SOB's who are racist. Ofcourse they're going to be a few ones like that, but that is cert
137 LOT767-300ER : There is no point, except for the fact that this guy policed an area a stones throw away from my house and its scary.
138 BN747 : First off, Luisca, weren't you one of those guys a few years back saying 'racism and all that stuff' was over-blown and minorities were quick to make
139 Luisca : Yep, that was me, I used to live in a big city were I was the majority, now living in a redneck town in the middle of Florida I can see things a bit
140 Post contains images Miamiair : Want to know what this thread needs? Enough bitching and whining already!
141 BN747 : There ya' go...shut it down when the not-so-pretty truths emerge... ..a fresh heaping bowl of 'peachy-keen' anyone. Very cool of you to own up to tha
142 MaidensGator : That's crap, and I'm a member of Florida Bar. No police officer is going to let somebody go because they get a lawyer on a cellphone. They let him go
143 CaptOveur : So you drove a vehicle you knew would bring added scrutiny from the police, then bitch when you get the extra scrutiny. My advice is stop breaking th
144 Post contains images Sovietjet : Yea like that's going to do something. In a country where everyone complains about everything possible don't you think a ton of people haven't alread
145 BN747 : Smartin' up there Mr. Lawyer, no one said they let him go because a lawyer was brought online... what was 'brought to a screeching halt' -- was the b
146 Miamiair : You've been watching too much Law & Order.
147 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : You want me to drive 55mph on I-90? Dude if you want me to die...just say it plainly...dont write an essay on here. Tinted windows are illegal in Ill
148 N710PS : LOT, it seems like you have it out for the police no mater what along with those who support law enforcement. Get a grip already. As for the security
149 LOT767-300ER : Not really. My pure distaste for cops starts and ends with Chicago Suburban cops. Ive never had a problem in my life with any State Police, City or S
150 FlyDeltaJets87 : Then I have to ask why are you on here complaining about it now? It does suck and the posted speed limit may be stupid. But too many people (Read- yo
151 LAXspotter : dude, I need help on what qualifies as a Redneck town. Is it the cars that people drive, the mentality, or the lack of awarness of outsiders? Give me
152 Itsjustme : It's common knowledge ANCFLYER is on the job in Alaska which is quite a ways from Suburban Chicago yet you made this sweeping statement in response t
153 Sovietjet : I didn't complain about it. I'm not the one that mentioned the speed traps...LOT did, and I was just saying how complaining about them will get you n
154 MaidensGator : YOU said it.... I didn't see where the cops in this case engaged in any terror tactics. A Florida driver license indicates if you're an immigrant req
155 BN747 : Clearly I meant the the terror ended... Thank god my lawyer isn't as weak-kneed as you .. if that nonsense had happened to me, you'd better believe c
156 Nuori5084 : Bar busts are fun! Two drinks max per officer and not on my dime. Biker bar/stripper "parties" also make for an interesting time.
157 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : God did not create me a perfect man, neither did he create me with English as a first language. Secondly, as far as I am aware that would not be pick
158 CaptOveur : Ok so you would rather continue to be at the whim of the retired old farts who vote, and write letters, and even email the people who make the decisi
159 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Last I checked, "you're" has an apostrophe. You didn't put that in there, so the spell check should have caught it. In fact, I even checked it in thi
160 CaptOveur : Yeah, those criminals only stay in the city. They never pass through the suburbs when transporting their drugs, or go out to the areas with money to
161 Sovietjet : No offense man, but you're acting like the punk here, calling me out on stuff I didn't start(about the speed traps), and then taking it further to in
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