Diamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 64 Posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5666 times:
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
... American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board. ... By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier ... According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy ...
So how does this sort of thing happen? New stealth capabilities of the Chinese? Or were the Americans asleep on the job?
Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5628 times:
LOL. They know they were just sending a message to the US. I suspect the USA will not be the only "superpower" for much longer. Not saying that we will all be at war, but some other countries will gain a little "stroke".
Rara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 1964 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5557 times:
A recurring theme in a.net threads about Chinese military power is the quick use of the words "war" and "threat". Can't see at all where this is coming from. First of all, the Chinese military budget is ridiculously low compared to the American one. Second, virtually never in their history have the Chinese been militarily aggressive to outside forces.
If there's anything like a military threat between the US and China, it's surely coming from the US and not vice versa.
Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13605 posts, RR: 63 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5502 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9): Quoting CactusHP (Reply 5):
Submarines are very difficult to detect, even with the US's technology
A Diesel-Electric...?? Please....!!!
A diesel-electric sub running on batteries is much quiter than a nuclear one. The same applies to the hydrogen fuel cell powered ones of the German navy. The only drawback is that a diesel-electric sub needs to surface after some time (depending on the capacity of the batteries and the speed) and to start it's noisy diesel engine to recharge the batteries. A nuclear sub can stay under water for a much longer period of time.
UH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5450 times:
Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
So how does this sort of thing happen? New stealth capabilities of the Chinese?
Not new technology... but certainly new audacity and determination, two highly sought after qualities for military leaders such as sub commanders.
Diesel submarines can be very quiet, especially when they are operating at very low speeds, or drifting. The Song class is similar, in many design features, with the Russian built Kilo class (which China, Iran, Libya, India also own).
I would say it was a mix of complacency on the part of the American commanders, and cunning and audacity on the part of the Chinese.
If the battle group was on a war footing, and aggressively conducting ASW... then it would have been much harder for the Chinese boat driver to slip through the screen. But nonetheless, I hope this reminds people that we should not underestimate the Chinese. They are advancing rapidly, and their goal of a blue water navy, that can project power beyond their territorial waters, is apparently moving ahead rapidly, as well.
PSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5417 times:
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 1): Interestingly, this story is nowhere to be seen either on BBC or CNN. Wonder why its not being reported there.
It might create a panic on Wall St. not to mention a political fiasco.I looked at some Chinese stocks today and they dumped big time today.JRJC,CTDC,YTEC,CSUN for example.I not sure if it had anything to do with it.
There goes the cheap labor.
Quoting Blackbird (Reply 13): But the Chinese is a great threat that we should give more attention to...
UH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5405 times:
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 18): Hmmm... maybe not such a bad idea to keep those S-3s around in the ASW role.
Not only is retiring the S-3 a bad idea... we're not even fielding a proper replacement for it.
We're also building only one Virginia Class per year. It's unlikely we'll be properly replacing the Ticonderoga Class, and the Zumwalt may face cost increases and project delays. We also need to start fielding a replacement for the MK-48 torpedo and the AGM-84 Harpoon.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16560 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5388 times:
Quoting Rara (Reply 7): First of all, the Chinese military budget is ridiculously low compared to the American one.
The Chinese Government is obviously not as open about what it actually spends on military and intelligence, many Chinese companies are mere fronts for the Chinese military so it's impossible to have an accurate accounting of there budgets.
Quoting Rara (Reply 7): Second, virtually never in their history have the Chinese been militarily aggressive to outside forces.
Half a million Chinese crossed into Korea to fight United Nations forces.
As for this sub incident, as many know Carrier Battle groups are not only surface ships but also accompanied by 1-2 attack subs. It's quite possible this Chinese sub had someone behind them for quite some time, and they did not want them to know it through surfacing or press releases.
UH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5328 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 20): It's quite possible this Chinese sub had someone behind them for quite some time, and they did not want them to know it through surfacing or press releases.
But the problem with this assumption is that typically the US sub will make its presence known prior to the enemy sub entering weapons range of the carrier. They will harrass the contact, and make life generally uncomfortable... attempting to scare them away.