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Breaking News:German Vice Chancellor To Resign  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Just in: German Vice chancellor and Secretary of Labor will resign because of "family" reasons.
http://www.spiegel.de/

I hope his successor will not be Beck, I can not stand this guy........


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Okay, granted, Münte's wife is suffering from cancer and he no doubt wants to support here, but still, I don't buy the "family" excuse. If family were the reason, Münte would have resigned quite a while ago, not at a time when his fellow SPD comrade Beck is on an ego-driven power trip.

User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2734 times:



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
I hope his successor will not be Beck, I can not stand this guy........

Unfortunately this is the most logical step.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):

Indeed. Maybe it's both.


I wonder whether the coaltion will survive without Münte. I hope there won't be early elections or a change of coaltion.

pelican


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2731 times:



Quoting Pelican (Reply 2):
I hope there won't be early elections or a change of coaltion.

Same here. With the way things are going, we would likely be stuck with a coalition of incompetents (SPD), treehuggers longing for Tempo 130 (Greens) and some former Stasi workers that promise heaven yet have no f'n clue on how to even remotely finance it (SED, I mean PDS, I mean, Die Linke(n Spinner)).


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

According to Spiegel Beck is said to be his successor. Honestly the worst choice in my opinion but sadly the SPD has no other alternative. If I try to think of something positive I would say better Beck than Wowi..........
Although I am too young to remember but I wish the SPD had people like Helmut Schmidt - the only time I would have considered to even vote SPD.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
people like Helmut Schmidt

I personally much preferred Willy Brandt, whenever Helmut Schmidt was far more efficient. Unforgettable, whenever rather "conflict-hungry" was Herbert Wehner of course.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Steinmeier and Scholz are rumored to take over the offices of Muente:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,517032,00.html



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Well, it will be Scholz. I once saw this guy on the street in Hamburg when he ran for mayor. How to phrase it, OK, he has about as much charisma as a used condom.

I never had any simpathy for the SPD , Brandt became wise and an elder statesman in his final years, highly respectable, same as Helmut Schmidt. That goes without saying.

Muentefehring was the last defender of wisdom in the present row of head honchos of the SPD. Pity that he pulled the emergency handle and ejected from his position. Can't blame him, he is 67, financially settled and why should he still do this to himself? More time for his wife, especially since she seems to be very ill.

Now, Scholz becoms the ventroloquist puppet of many masters. He must be careful, to tune into the right voice. That will be the intellectually most challenging part of his new job.

Heavens, why can't we get a majority vote system like the British have?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2680 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
Heavens, why can't we get a majority vote system like the British have?

Giving us the only possible way a conservative majority could rule at this point, despite a stable and significant left-side majority?

That would be a travesty of democracy. Getting a CDU chancellor when the majority of the voters clearly wanted the opposite is bizarre enough (although she's doing a decent job overall).

And the only reason even that happened was that the SPD chose not to enter a coalition with Die Linke. In a majority system the smaller parties would mostly deflate and the voters would have to switch to the larger ones - only making the SPD stronger than the CDU again. Such a system would be democratically dubious, but the CDU/CSU wouldn't be any better off than they are now.

I wouldn't let the milk maids do the calculations if I were you...!  mischievous 


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

To be precise, Steinmeier is in line for Vice Chancellor and Scholz as Minister for Employment.

They need two guys to replace the last capable person they had.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2676 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Giving us the only possible way a conservative majority could rule at this point, despite a stable and significant left-side major

You are dreaming., But I have the same nightmare about a SPD majority rule. Only, your nightmare ois more realistic. No chance the SPD will pass the CDU in total votes for decades to come-.

But if the SPD has the opportiunity to form a coalition against the CDU with the Communists, they will take it,no matter what they say before an election. That would be a travetry indeed, the old East German Communist Party taking over the rest of the country, Nightmare is not a word for such a looming desaster, .

That is, why I rather take the remote risk of a SPD majority. After all, the CDU today is nothing more than a black painted SPD




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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2662 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
You are dreaming.

No. Just looking at the numbers.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
No chance the SPD will pass the CDU in total votes for decades to come-.

We'll see about that. But in a majority system you could indeed expect that most of the former Green and Linke voters would (have to) switch to the SPD to not have their voices discarded.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
But if the SPD has the opportiunity to form a coalition against the CDU with the Communists, they will take it,no matter what they say before an election.

Then why didn't they do that right after the last election? They had exactly that choice and yet opted for the grand coalition instead. Your reality filter seems to be a bit out of whack...

Bundestagswahl 2005 | wahl.tagesschau.de

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
That is, why I rather take the remote risk of a SPD majority. After all, the CDU today is nothing more than a black painted SPD

So you're voting NPD, or what?  eyebrow 


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2657 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
That is, why I rather take the remote risk of a SPD majority. After all, the CDU today is nothing more than a black painted SPD

so vote green!



10=2
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2651 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):

No. Just looking at the numbers.

which are in the margin of error. Don't count on your numbers.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):

We'll see about that. But in a majority system you could indeed expect that most of the former Green and Linke voters would (have to) switch to the SPD to not have their voices discarded.

The communists would never vote for the SPD and most of the Greens neither. Pretty safe majority for the CDIU.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
hen why didn't they do that right after the last election?

Mistakes happen and the last elections are yesterday's wine. I alway look forward, never back.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
So you're voting NPD, or what?

I would never vote for a Socialist party, regardless if they are red or brown. Look at my contributions here, I am pro American, pro Israel, I am what is defamed by leftists as "capitalist", in short,I am a liberal conservative.

Quoting Zak (Reply 12):
so vote green!

see above, Yellow.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
which are in the margin of error. Don't count on your numbers.

You're funny.

SPD+Greens+Linke = 51% of the votes,327 seats
CDU/CSU+FDP = 45% of the votes, 287 seats

The technical term for that is comfortable majority.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
The communists would never vote for the SPD and most of the Greens neither.

Rubbish. "The communists" are a tiny minority, even within the Linkspartei. And in a majority system you'll find that most green voters would switch to the SPD, but fortunately we won't see that happen.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
Pretty safe majority for the CDIU.

One can dream, sure...! Big grin

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
Mistakes happen and the last elections are yesterday's wine.

Rubbish. If any of what you're saying was even remotely true, the SPD wouldn't have sacrificed the chancellorship and gone with the CDU instead.

I know that your claim is the standard bogeyman propaganda from the right, but it's pretty unconvincing.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
I alway look forward, never back.

Which means you'll never gain experience, but your statements more or less prove that anyway.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
I would never vote for a Socialist party, regardless if they are red or brown. Look at my contributions here, I am pro American, pro Israel,

And of course you're got a monopoly on all that. Dang!  innocent 

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
I am what is defamed by leftists as "capitalist", in short,I am a liberal conservative.

Ah, the politically empty egoist's party for dentists, lawyers and real estate agents. Right. Almost forgot about Grinse-Guido's CDU appendix. Big grin


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2633 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
We'll see about that. But in a majority system you could indeed expect that most of the former Green and Linke voters would (have to) switch to the SPD to not have their voices discarded.

Well people vote for Ralph Nader, too  Smile



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2632 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
You're funny.

what are you then? Your figures are wishful thinking, that's all.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Rubbish. "The communists" are a tiny minority, even within the Linkspart

The "Linkspartei" are the communists. That is my opinion, to which I am entitled as long as this country is free. I might have problems once the Commujnists gain power again withe the helpü of the greens and the SPD dummies.

BTW young man - "rubbish" is probably what your write, but you are entitled to write rubbish. You are not entitled to defame my opinion as rubbish



Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
One can dream, sure...!

Go on dreaming. Assuming your blueprint, a lot of conservative greens and conservatoive SPD members would rather vote for CDU in a majority scenaria than taking the chance of communist rule. You have totally ignored that in your dreams.





Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):

Which means you'll never gain experience, but your statements more or less prove that anywa

The one does not rule out the other, you should be old enough to know that. It shows again that idelogy is the enmemy of wisdom.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):

And of course you're got a monopoly on all that. Dang

of course not, you are entitlked on your opinion. Only, the conclusion that the NPD is right from the CDU is dead wroing. Ask Mr., Mahler,who had no problems to cross the thin border line between extremists parties and is now with the NPD. A small step for him, on the far left side of the spectrum. The NPD is a extreme left party, anto American, Anti Israel, Anto Globalization, Anti Capitalist, you name it. All phrases which are the standard repetoire of other extreme left parties. Even the appearance of the strom troops is very similar.

Nothing I would ever stand for, I hate them as much as I hate the communists. They are the same breed.

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Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):

Ah, the politically empty egoist's party for dentists, lawyers and real estate agent

..........and you would put them into detention camps, once your ideology takes power in Germany.

We had this all before and people like you don't even realize that you are the ones who are repeating history.



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2632 times:



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):

I hope his successor will not be Beck, I can not stand this guy........

 checkmark  dude, how right you are. Beck is so unbearable.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2591 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Ah, the politically empty egoist's party for dentists, lawyers and real estate agents.

You know, the Greens could be sneered at as another party for top earners, just like the FDP. Where I live, roughly 70% of the residents graduated from a university, one out of four who buy a condo for EUR 3,000+ per square meter, doesn't even need to borrow on mortgage. We have Europe's largest organic-food supermarket plus at least two more and two farmer's markets that focus on organic food. This borough "rents" policemen and nurses from other districts, because affordable flats are rare. At the same time, locals join the church and apply their kids for yoga, violin and cello lessons (rather than football) - often immediately after they were born, because demand is high. And in this Latte-Macchiato / Bionade - Ghetto for the wealthy, the Greens/Alliance 90 take more than one out of three votes.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
treehuggers longing for Tempo 130

Frankly a speed limit ... so what? Care to trade problems?

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
I might have problems once the Commujnists gain power again withe the helpü of the greens and the SPD dummies.

Not sure if supporters of the Greens/Alliance 90 are so fond of the socialists. Alliance 90 was the civil-rights movement opposing the SED which ultimately brought down the wall. Do you have an idea how much the Greens/Alliance 90 battle against the socialists to honor those involved in the resistance against the SED regime here in Berlin?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9536 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2571 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 18):
opposing the SED which ultimately brought down the wall. Do you have an idea how much the Greens/Alliance 90 battle against the socialists to honor those involved in the resistance against the SED regime here in Berlin?

I don't and don't want to have too much insight in the Green Party. I know that they managed to kick out most of the B90 civil rights activists, hence they have little to say in the Green party any more. My "absolute and top favorite darling of all", Claudia Fatima Roth, is one of these radical socialists who do not allow any other opinion except their own. She will have no worries teaming up witht the communists. That castrate joint party leader was a former member of a West German communist party, so he has no objections either.

These two (especiallyClaudia darling) call the shots and if it takes a hysterical outbreak.

The peopl,e who started the resistance against the SED regime are best taken care of in the CDU.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2564 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
what are you then? Your figures are wishful thinking, that's all.

"My figures" are the official election result as publicized by the state electoral commission.

If that is "wishful thinking" to you, you're pretty far out in lala land.  hypnotized 

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
The "Linkspartei" are the communists. That is my opinion, to which I am entitled as long as this country is free.

Oh, you're so courageous...!  Yeah sure

In actual fact, the Linkspartei is a mishmash of quite a number of things, most of them actually quite conservative ex-GDR fossils, fishing for the protest votes of those who see themselves as socially underprivileged. The communist platform is minority even among them. Most of their words and actions are populist much more than socialist, let along communist.

But for a hardened ideologist such as yourself that is apparently 1:1 identical to all of them to the last one being fanatical communists hell-bent on killing everybody else.  crazy 

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
BTW young man - "rubbish" is probably what your write, but you are entitled to write rubbish. You are not entitled to defame my opinion as rubbish

You can't even survive being called out with unfounded claims without whining about being "defamed"? Grow up!

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
Go on dreaming.

It was your dream that the CDU would easily win the elections... Big grin

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
Assuming your blueprint, a lot of conservative greens and conservatoive SPD members would rather vote for CDU in a majority scenaria than taking the chance of communist rule. You have totally ignored that in your dreams.

You were dreaming. And "communist rule" would most certainly not be an option in a majority election between CDU/CSU and SPD.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
The NPD is a extreme left party,

Rubbish. Strong emphasis on nationalism and racism are by definition features of the extreme right and are both obviously present in the NPD.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):


Quoting Klaus,reply=14:
Ah, the politically empty egoist's party for dentists, lawyers and real estate agent

..........and you would put them into detention camps, once your ideology takes power in Germany.

We had this all before and people like you don't even realize that you are the ones who are repeating history.

Are you mad? I demand you to provide even the slightest evidence (quotes!) for your accusation that I would ever consider or even allow anything like that to happen!

Since you are unable to provide any such evidence, I demand a retraction and apology!

You're exposing yourself to an outright embarrassing degree here.  yuck 


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2554 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 18):
You know, the Greens could be sneered at as another party for top earners, just like the FDP.

There is no problem with earning a lot of money - as long as it's seen as an opportunity and obligation to contribute to the common good instead of just prioritizing oneself above everything else.

And especially since they ditched the last vestiges of the previously existing civil rights party when they jumped ship from Schmidt to Kohl, the FDP has progressively degraded to a lobby party which has exactly one agenda: Cutting down taxes for the wealthy, and to hell with everybody else.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2548 times:



Quoting Zak (Reply 12):
so vote green!

Voting green is the same as voting for the Linkspartei: High Treason.

All the greens have done during their 7 years as SPD coalition partners was nothing except for getting us out of nuclear power. Getting out of nuclear power at this stage is IMO an error. Germany has one of the safest nuclear power facilities in the world, and apart from isolated incidents, like Krümmel, there is no need for us to stop using such a reliable source of energy, and even go back to fossil fuel powerplants like carbon powerplants, that are much more harmful for the environment than a properly built and fully secure nuclear powerplant. Yes, it's dangerous, but if it was for the Greens, one of those reactors could cause a Super-GAU at any time, and that's simply not true. Not to mention, it was the Greens who wanted us to pay minimum 5 Mark or 5 Euros per litre petrol. They wanted to jack up prices before oil even cost almost $100 a barrel. All those goddamn treehuggers did was nothing productive. NO MORE ROT-GRÜN!

As for Steinmeier becoming Vice Chancellor, IMO it was not unexpected. Usually it is the Minister of Foreign Affairs who gets the position of Vice Chancellor, though with Münte, an exception was made.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2538 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
Voting green is the same as voting for the Linkspartei: High Treason.

The fanatics are out in full force, apparently. You should definitely look up the current and historical implications of that bizarre and highly undemocratic statement.  yuck 

Your own lack of information can't be the only explanation here.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2537 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
All the greens have done during their 7 years as SPD coalition partners was nothing except for getting us out of nuclear power.

Maybe you should read a newspaper from time to time.
And they didn't get us "out of nuclear power".

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
... and fully secure nuclear powerplant. Yes, it's dangerous, ...

When do you think are you going to make up your mind?
Do you consider the term "Restrisiko" an euphemism or not?



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25 NoUFO : Yeah, ignorance is a bliss. I know of 2 (two) members who changed the party (weren't kicked out) and who are now members of the CDU. But yes, I haven
26 Pelican : What you forget is that with the current voting system every voter has 2 votes while in a real majority vote system everybody had just one vote, henc
27 NoUFO : Beck is further on the left than Steinmeier and Scholz. Maybe he thinks/knows that if he sticks to his ideals, while being a member of the federal go
28 Klaus : I don't - it was merely about the results of the last election. But even with the shifting numbers the operative result probably wouldn't differ all
29 LTU932 : That's an opinion. I'm not someone who preaches anti-democratic practices. Why do I consider the Greens and the Linkspartei traitors you wonder? Simp
30 Klaus : Which everyone shares who has half an idea of what treason actually means and what it meant in our history. Calling voters of a democratic party trai
31 NoUFO : Saying "I don't believe the Greens have the right answers" is an opinion. Saying "voting for the Greens (after all, and undoubtedly a democratic part
32 LTU932 : I am very well aware of our history. OK, I admit, I exagerated with using the terms "treason" and "high treason", but my exageration is more derived
33 Klaus : Obviously not - otherwise you'd been aware how exactly your talk of "treason" matched the way the nazis persecuted the democratic parties and their v
34 LTU932 : Yes I am, and as I said, I exagerated. Don't blow this mistake of mine any more out of proportion by indirectly comparing me with the Nazis. I'm the
35 Klaus : No problem - if you stop giving cause for it. I believe you when you say you exaggerated, but that particular kind of exaggeration just isn't innocen
36 Post contains links and images LTU932 : Then let's put it all behind, shall we? After all, we all make and learn from our mistakes. Anyway, back on topic, a few Pressestimmen on Münte's de
37 Post contains images Klaus : Okay. Rougher times? Most probably. That's what happens when the elections are approaching in a constellation such as this. I don't think, however, t
38 LTU932 : Maybe, but in the end, looking back, the SPD has become known to tear itself apart in very difficult times. They don't have a Willy Brandt or Helmut
39 ME AVN FAN : You may be right in a way, but in reality it is people of the former SED (Communists and Sowjetzone-SocialDemocrats) who transformed into leftist Soc
40 PanHAM : You are a radical socialist, you accept no other opinion except your own narrow minded extrem left. You are based on ideology, nothing else, no liber
41 Columba : Agreed, I think it is an error, too. We will still get nuclear power but only from France and Czech in a few years after the last German nuclear powe
42 PanHAM : indeed. Take out your dictionary and look the word up. It says EINBLICK . I am an outsider to the Greens, I would never vote for them. Why and how sh
43 PanHAM : Latest "Stern" poll - CDU 39% FDP 10% ttl 49% SPD 26% Greens 8% Communists 12% ttl 46% comfortable majority for a black/yellow coalition.
44 Post contains images Columba : Agreed. Another side which is usually not seen when talking about the closing of nuclear power plants is how many jobs are affected when you close th
45 PanHAM : Not only that. They have no workable answer on how to reduce CO² emissions without nuclear energy. Windmills are no workable solution and the vote
46 Columba : Agreed, Merkel would win the popularity vote against Kater Karlo (Beck) but I have the big fear that Steinmeier will be the candidate of the SPD for
47 LTU932 : Not to mention that Chernobyl used a graphite based reactor. AFAIK, graphite based reactors are banned in Germany for safety reasons. I agree that St
48 NoUFO : Say what!? I don't need a dictionary, but maybe you need a copy of the Knigge, since your parents apparently never told you not to make any assumptio
49 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...d/wolfgang-thierse_aid_139220.html This is truly an outrageous remark. Thierse has commented on Müntefering's
50 ME AVN FAN : maybe a SUFFICIENT majority, but "comfortable" ? OK, such things are mathematics. - You might also imagine a centre-left coalition of FDP, SPD and LI
51 Pelican : What are you smoking? FDP and Linkspartei in one coalition? For the moment I agree. But I dunno whether our electoral system will be that ideal if th
52 ME AVN FAN : Why not ? Here in Switzerland we have the Far Left Mrs Micheline Calmy-Rey as Foreign Minister and the Far Right Christoph Blocher in one coalition,
53 ME AVN FAN : I would not exaggerate. You now have a major right-side party (group) and a smaller right-side party, plus a major left-side party and a farther-left
54 PanHAM : That's a good joke, indeed.. Now, Germany is not little cosy Switzerland with Heidi and Schoggi. You put two guys in there who would go AWOL in less
55 NoUFO : Very true. Thierse has often had difficulties finding adequate words. I didn't say you did but questioned your claim which I quoted above. I think we
56 Post contains images LTU932 : You cannot compare the Swiss federal system with the German federal system, it's just too diffierent. Apart from the fact that Switzerland has four l
57 Post contains images NoUFO : Same with Berlin's major Klaus Wowereit. When he came out, I disliked him as much as I did before. There's no such thing like "German way of thinking
58 Post contains images LTU932 : Every country has its own way of thinking, and thus different mentalities to different things. Germany is no different, or should we back off from su
59 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - Your statement proves the similarities, as Swiss people can get you "auf den Keks" with their declaring ALL THE time how very extremely different t
60 Beaucaire : It is sad that one has to go back to Brandt or Helmut Schmidt to find charismatic and capable statesmen within the SPD... Germany has definitely lot's
61 Columba : I agree what Dirk Niebel said today:"If the excuse is fine with Helmut Kohl it is fine and nobody should say anything because this only affect Mr. Ko
62 Pelican : Are you even aware of the fact that Switzerland has a completely different political system compared to the German one were the role of the governmen
63 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Wouldn't make much of a difference, as with such ministers, at least 1/3 of Germany's population would go AWOL and leave the country. I know I would.
64 PanHAM : Whoever has money and is young enough would indeed flee the country. The rest of us would be once more screwed by this, like our parents and grand pa
65 ME AVN FAN : - Sure I am aware of these differences. The German system is what I would regard as a "normal" system, while the Swiss one is rather peculiar in fact
66 Pelican : So how can you than suggest a coaltion with FDP and Linkspartei in it? The difference is the German government needs a constant majority in order to
67 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : I suggested it as a possibility, while I would NOT recommened ANY coalition with Mr Lafontaine and his leftists. - - Here comes the difference. Mr Ch
68 Post contains images LTU932 : There are similarities, but that's it. They're just similarities. As previously said, the Swiss federal system is much different from the German fede
69 DAL767400ER : Our government is already doing that by building Autobahnen everywhere in the former GDR that no one uses...
70 PanHAM : yes, in a different eay than you may think. Those people who could still afford cars are no longer here and those left could not afford cars anymore.
71 ME AVN FAN : - The Liguria Region is quite well off nowadays, so that this might be something for you. Or I might recommend Lugano in the Ticino, in Switzerland,
72 Post contains images LTU932 : Ticino wouldn't be bad, though I was thinking more, if I choose Switzerland, of places like Bern, Basel, Zürich or Luzern. Either way, if Italy or T
73 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - In the Ticino, there are many owners of houses and apartments with an EXTREMELY basic Italian, so that you there would be heavily above average, pa
74 Post contains images Klaus : Rubbish. The closer you'd actually look at my posts here and elsewhere the more you'd find that that is simply not the case. Your imagination is obvi
75 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : From HIS perspective you ARE a "leftwing-extremists" ! - - not "bizarre" really, it just is the positions of Franz Josef Strauss in numerous speeches
76 Post contains images Klaus : Which together with his other utterances allows us to triangulate his own position - there is not a big margin of error based on that! The same FJS w
77 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : He meant the C-D-U and the "Muenchen-CSU" but presumably does NOT know the CSU deep in the heart of Upper-Bavaria ! He would feel at home politics-wi
78 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...pd-kanzlerkandidat_aid_139575.html Interesting poll results. The people would rather choose Steinmeier than Bec
79 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Might be because the people asked in the polls are not all limited to just one party. I know I sure as hell would choose Steinmeier over Beck, it's t
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