ShannoninAMA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5183 times:
In light of the thread about Germanys Great beers, i thought america's pissy beers deserved a thread too.
Quoting Top Ten Selling Craft Beers:
1 Sierra Nevada Pale Ale
2 Samuel Adams Boston Lager
3 Blue Moon White
4 Samuel Adams Seasonal
5 New Belgium Fat Tire
6 Samuel Adams Light
7 Shiner Bock
8 Widmer Hefeweizen
9 Samuel Adams Brewmasters Collection
10 Redhook ESB
11 Pyramid Hefeweizen
12 Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale
13 Redhook IPA
14 Alaskan Amber
15 Deschutes Black Butte Porter
1 Pale Ale
2 Seasonals
3 Amber
4 Amber Lager
5 Wheat
6 IPA
Not bad either..
However, heres where it goes to piss.
Quoting Overall, Top Ten Selling US Beers:
1 Bud Light
2 Miller Lite
3 Budweiser
4 Coors Light
5 Corona Extra
6 Heineken
7 Natural Light
8 Michelob Ultra Light
9 Busch Light
10 Miller High Life
ArmitageShanks From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2003, 3074 posts, RR: 20 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5174 times:
CasInterest From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1179 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5159 times:
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1): Notice how none of those craft beers you mention are in the top selling beers? Does that say something awful about American beer tastes?
Umm, let's see, I like craft beers, however when I am drinking a lot, I usually reach for a Miller Lite.
Every dipidy dip snob forgets how much tailgating events and parties/ clubs evolve around cheap beer.
LHMARK From United States, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 62 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5154 times:
First off, Blue Moon is not a craft beer. It's Coors.
Next, the craft beer segment is growing at around 11% annually while the other beer segments shrink, but macro lagers like Bud have a considerable head start, seeing as how craft beers only entered the picture at the beginning of the '80s.
I'm curious to see what the future holds.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
CasInterest From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1179 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5146 times:
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 4): Next, the craft beer segment is growing at around 11% annually while the other beer segments shrink, but macro lagers like Bud have a considerable head start, seeing as how craft beers only entered the picture at the beginning of the '80s.
I think craft beers will go a long way. The days were people "graduated" to liquor are kind of ending.
I would much rather drink a beer than pour a drink.
The older people get the more sophisticated the beers get. Some days I'll reach for the local, some days I reach for the miller lite(usually after 2 of the locals).
I believe that would be the poor college kids who will get drunk off of anything with alcohol in it. I mean, after your BAC has passed 0.10, who cares what you are drinking. (Not that I have personal experience with that level.)
TSS From United States, joined Dec 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5113 times:
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1): Notice how none of those craft beers you mention are in the top selling beers? Does that say something awful about American beer tastes?
What it says is that most Americans drink beer to get drunk, not because they like the taste. The major American beer manufacturers (you'll notice I didn't call them "brewers"...that was not a mistake) know this and that's why they keep churning out the same watered-down ditch liquor year after year. When you see an American drinking what you know to be swill-in-a-can and you ask him "Why?", most of the time his answer will be "Because it's cheap and it gets you drunk". For most folks in the US, beer having a non-gag-inducing flavor is a tertiary consideration at best.
Quoting CasInterest (Reply 3): Every dipidy dip snob forgets how much tailgating events and parties/ clubs evolve around cheap beer.
...And my point is made.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
LHMARK From United States, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 62 Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5090 times:
Quoting TSS (Reply 9): What it says is that most Americans drink beer to get drunk, not because they like the taste. The major American beer manufacturers (you'll notice I didn't call them "brewers"...that was not a mistake) know this and that's why they keep churning out the same watered-down ditch liquor year after year. When you see an American drinking what you know to be swill-in-a-can and you ask him "Why?", most of the time his answer will be "Because it's cheap and it gets you drunk". For most folks in the US, beer having a non-gag-inducing flavor is a tertiary consideration at best.
What it also says is by the time regional craft breweries like Sierra Nevada and Sam Adams set up shop, the big nationals were already brewing millions of barrels per year. It takes a great deal of time to retrain the tastes of a nation. Plus, the smaller brewers don't expect to be in the top then by sales volume, so they don't structure their growth plans with that goal in mind.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 1649 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5076 times:
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12): Isn't most US beer 4% whereas most Canadian stuff is 5%?
That's a big misunderstanding. Mainstream beers in the USA usually have around 3.5 % of alcohol. However, it's measured by weight, not by volume as here in Canada. 3.6 % m/m is roughly 5 % V/V
Falstaff From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3670 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5020 times:
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 4): Next, the craft beer segment is growing at around 11% annually while the other beer segments shrink, but macro lagers like Bud have a considerable head start, seeing as how craft beers only entered the picture at the beginning of the '80s.
Before WWII there were many different styles common in the USA. During WWII brewers were held to their 1940 production level as far as ingredients were concerned. Some brewers, like Falstaff, grew a lot during the war. The beer was lightened to stretch ingredients. The young people who who bought the beer eventually dominated the market and one by the one odd ball flavors disappeared until the 1980s. When looking at vintage brewery collectibles you can see this trend through advertising at the time. Large brewers did make some off brands for a long time. Some that come to mine are the Bocks made by most large brewers until the 1960s and Ale's such as Pabst Old Tankard. Some more flavorful brands were still sold. Hielemans Special Export, which was popular in Wisconsin (pre 1999 beer only). Ex is considered by many to be nasty, but many of the people who think that were the type that like light watery beer.
Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 18): THEY ARN'T EVEN BEERS, THEY ARE LAGERS! WHY DON'T POEPLE GET IT!
Lager a style of beer. At least it is to every brewer I ever met.
See what I mean about people not liking full flavor beers. Genny Cream Ale is a great ale, but many people who don't like it don't like ale.
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 16): Believe me, it could be worse.
Another huge problem in the USA for craft and import beer is that is doesn't always move on the shelf. This is also true for low end brands in many markets. The beer sits there for months or years and gets stale. Then people will have a negative impression of the beer. Last year I was at a bar in Chicago where the bar tender served me an Old Milwaukee that had expired four years previous. I told her about it and showed her the pull date on the bottle. The bar owner came over and told me that I had no idea what I was talking about because only A-B had born on dates. I said this is the expiration date. He said it was only a production code. You can't argue with people who don't listen so I walked out. There are beer store around me that sell old product daily. The oldest stuff I have ever seen was 8 years old.
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 14): That's a big misunderstanding. Mainstream beers in the USA usually have around 3.5 % of alcohol. However, it's measured by weight, not by volume as here in Canada. 3.6 % m/m is roughly 5 % V/V
US beer is measured by volume. Most US beer is 4-5% very few have less than 4% Only your lightest of the light will be less than 4% There are brands that are higher. The most popular US beers are 4-5%, this can be verified though any major brewer.
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12): Isn't most US beer 4% whereas most Canadian stuff is 5%?
No. For years people have said Canadian beer was stronger. That is false. Where this comes from is that certain states had laws about the percent of alcohol in beer. In some states only 3.2% was allowed so Canadian beer seemed more powerful. Some states only allowed 3.2% to be sold in grocery stores or at sporting events. These laws were up to states. To people living in those stated Canadian beer would seem stronger. To people living other places it would seem the same. Laws like that were still around as recently as the 1980s so many misconception still exist. States have different rules on beer advertising too. Michigan did not allow lighted beer signs until 2003. The only signs people saw in Michigan were for NA beers. Few Michigan people even knew about the law and just assumed it was like that everywhere. Indiana was like that until the 1980s.
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 4): First off, Blue Moon is not a craft beer. It's Coors.
I don't consider Sam Adams a craft brewer either. They brew more beer than Falstaff ever did and Falstaff was once #3 in the country. Today to be #3 you need to brew a lot more than in 1965. Sam Adams operates the former Hudepohl- Schoeling Brewery in Cincinnati, which is not exactly a micro. They also recently purchased the former Stroh (ex Schaffer) plant near Allentown, PA. This is a three million bbl plant opened in 1978. They have also contracted a lot of beer in the Highfalls (Gennesee) brewery in Rochester.
Redhook is partially owned by A-B and uses A-B nation wide distribution network.
As with the Brewmaster Collection the Seasonal line includes many varities.
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1): Notice how none of those craft beers you mention are in the top selling beers? Does that say something awful about American beer tastes?
Sadly yes. I made a promise to myself early on to pay for good booze and that carries over to beer as well. I'm pretty much exclusively a Sam Adams guy.
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12): I used to pick up a flat of Coors Extra Gold when I'd go south (from Canada) which IIRC correctly was pretty decent.
I remember when Coors wasn't sold east of the Mississippi.
Quoting Columba (Reply 21): Quoting ShannoninAMA (Thread starter):
2 Samuel Adams Boston Lager
my favorit US beer
Absolutely! I've always liked their stuff but I was sol on it when I visited the brewery in Boston. Turned out their webpage and phone recording giving tour hours was wrong and I showed up too late. One of their VPs took me around the place by himself and let me try whatever I wanted with no limit from the bar at the end of the tour. That right there made me a customer for life.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
CasInterest From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1179 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 20): That is false. Where this comes from is that certain states had laws about the percent of alcohol in beer. In some states only 3.2% was allowed so Canadian beer seemed more powerful.
Yeah,
they finally lifted this in 2005 here in NC.
Life is good now as we can buy Molson's XXX, Young's Double Chocolate, and all the barley's.
If you are ever in Raleigh go to the Flying Saucer. Over 200 beers on Tap. They have a gold plate they will put up with your name, if you can drink all the beers on the menu within a year,
Falstaff From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3670 posts, RR: 27 Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22): Rolling Rock was set up in m/m. I had to pay extra attention to it while calibrating the alcohol GC.
RR is crap now. It is now made my A-B in New Hampshire. The latrobe brewery was sold to City out of LaCrosse, WI. AmBev sold the brands, but not the brewery to A-B. One more traditional regional is gone.
The RR sold in Canada was probably made by a Canadian brewer it used to be brewed by LaBatt. LaBatt owned Latrobe at one time. LaBatt tried to buy the Falstaff brewery in Ft. Wayne in 1990-91, but was turned down by the S&P company, which owned Falstaff at that time. Nearly all US beers sold in Canada are contracted to Canadian firms. There are some exceptions. Stroh Canada brands were sold to Sleeman who subcontracts some back to the City Brewery in LaCrosse. Some Pabst Canada brands are made by Lakeport. I think A-B stuff is brewed mostly by LaBatts. It used to be Molson, but with the Molson-Coors thing that has changed.
My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
26 KaiGywer: That's actually my favorite in cheap beer. Exactly, who plays beerpong with expensive beer? Not me Same as me. Cheap beers = get drunk. Real beers =
27 Garnetpalmetto: As one of those "dipidy dip snob"s you speak of, you can still have a tailgating event or a party with a half-decent beer. Yuengling, Rolling Rock (b
28 WildcatYXU: Ok, I have to make few corrections here. Firstly, it's Labatt, not LaBatt. Secondly, Rolling Rock wasn't sold in Canada at least at the time when Lab
29 DeltaGator: Sam Adams is now using the Latrobe brewery. I believe the group that owns the building now retains ownership of the structure but Sam Adams will be r
32 Graphic: The only significant difference between an Ale and a Lager is the temperature at which it is fermented.
33 Flipdewaf: Thats contradictory, lager isn't beer there are differences in the way its brewed but if we are forgetting this then my fave beer is bulmers, catch m
34 LHMARK: Not really. The two types use different yeasts that act on the beer in different ways. The fermentation temparature differs between ales and lagers b
35 Graphic: The only difference is that it's fermented in a chilled environment, everything else is the same. Besides, if Lager isn't beer, then neither is Pilsn
36 LHMARK: Bulmers isn't made from grain. It's made from apples. It's a cider, not a beer. Theakston's Old Peculiar is made from the same fundamental stuff as S
37 Jush: Don't worry this list is redundant as you have no idea how to make a proper beer. Regds jush
38 LHMARK: I, too, love German beer. Here's some American beers you would like just fine: Victory Prima Pils Brooklyn Lager Roosterfish Hefeweizen Pyramid Hefew
39 LH423: It's better that Bud! True story. I was celebrating Canada Day a couple of years ago and decided, what better way to celebrate the birth of Canada th
41 Falstaff: I was going by old info. When I was there Pabst products were coming from there. That brewery once brewed Amstel. Wow time flys. I am no expert with
42 Falstaff: There are plenty of German beers that are light. Americans can make good beer. A lot of our big brands are kind of bad, but a good brewer can brew a
43 LH423: But the recipe is still the same, no? Anyway, my point is I'll take a Molson or Labatt over a Bud any day. LH423
44 Falstaff: It is supposed to be. There is more to beer than just a recipe. The actual ingrediants, equipment, and water can make a difference too. The last Fals
45 SDLSimme: One American beer that I really enjoy is Anchor Steam. I have also tried some other beer but I can't remember the name of it. I wish I could though ca
46 Duff44: Those are my initials! I get teased about it because they're on tons of drawings I've done... Especially for me... I have an allergic reaction when I
47 CasInterest: No sense wasting a good beer after the first two and putting on weight to boot.
48 Planespotting: Yeah - they made an entire movie around that premise: Press play and wait for the song ... "East bound and down..." Remember when Schlitz was the #2
49 Falstaff: Schlitz was number one for years and AB knocked them down a peg in 1957. The Downfall of Schlitz was the continuous brewing process. The goal was to
50 DeltaGator: Smokey and the Bandit rules! Eastbound and down indeed. Do you know where the brewery was/is in Winston-Salem? I'm guessing the crappy industrial par
51 DeltAirlines: It looks like the brewery was on the south side of town, well past I-40. There's a small industrial park off of US-52 down there (it's pretty rural d
52 Falstaff: I can look up the address for you. It was on a street named just for the brewery; Schlitz dr. The brewery closed when Stroh left the brewing busines
53 Surfpunk: For regular, cheap beer drinking, I'll drink Miller High Life (The Champagne of Beers!), but my favorites are: 1. Summit Extra Pale Ale 2. Summit Wint
54 Srbmod: Of those on that list, I drink Sam Adams Boston Lager the most. Right now, I have a few Blue Moon Whites in the fridge (12 pack of it was cheaper tha
55 Falstaff: Tied houses have been illegal in the US since 1933. It was part of the repeal of the Volstead act. Sports venues are not really tied houses. The beer
56 DfwRevolution: That's..... odd I do think it's a tad overrated down here. Unlike Blue Bell Ice Cream, which you basically can't say enough good things about.
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