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Your Opinions On Kosovo  
User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1751 times:

Just wondering what are your opinions about future status of Kosovo?

cheers

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1745 times:

I don't know the situation too closely, but my impression is that it's screwed-up either way.

The declaration of independence is only a matter of days after the election, it appears.

The nationalist idiots on both sides have created the current mess, but neither of them will contribute anything positive to a resolution.

Majorities and minorities in the entire region must find ways to a new peace, and that will require them to look the pain on the other side and the atrocities on their own side in the face. I don't get my hopes up, though.

Regional chauvinism still seems a strong if not even dominant force in the whole area, and it will only lead to more poverty and more tears.


User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 1737 times:

I agree with you.

Technically the best thing would be if the Kosovo remains in Serbia, but the peace is the most important think. So if the majority of Kosovars support independence, i will too (which is the case, de facto).
Kosovo is like a cancer. If Albanians don't agree with Serbs, maybe the best thing would be independence. But that could cause problem for other countries, such as Spain (Catalona and Basquia), Cyprus (T. Cyprus which is independent) etc.


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

From where I'm standing, the short-term future of Kosovo looks bleak indeed. It will declare independence sooner or later, possibly even within the next few weeks. Serbia, backed by Russia, will try to do everything it takes to stop them. On the other hand, outright war doesn't seem likely as Serbia has had quite enough of it alrealdy, plus witness how they let go Montenegro with relative ease. Embargoes, political bullying and maybe low-key guerilla warfare is what I'd expect for some years to come.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 2):
But that could cause problem for other countries, such as Spain (Catalona and Basquia), Cyprus (T. Cyprus which is independent) etc.

I don't think so personally. First, Kosovars don't care about their potential effects on other independence movements. And I highly doubt the "if they can, we can too" argument would be decisive in pushing any European region toward declaring independence. Dozens of new countries have been created in the world during the decades of devolution/independence movements in Spain/Belgium/N.Ireland/Kurdistan/Wherever, and none of those events was ever used as an argument to further their cause.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

I think Kosovo is ready to explode into another war !! The Albanians once they get independance will try to form a union with Albania and then try to upset the status quo in the FYROM ''The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia''. In turn the hot heads in FYROM will try to claim land in Greece and it all will become rather nasty and confrontational. Thats why Greece is so against any country calling itself ''Macedonia'' when there are two Macdonia's. One in Greece and one in the Former Yugoslavia. The international community need to regognise these issues before referring to places as ''Macedonia''.

The Balkan issues/problems are far from over. My only comfort is that Serbia is now in a different political Era and I dont think the stomach for another war is there. Greece is NATO and EU and is guranteed its borders and assistance from its allies. Albania / Kosovo can be controlled if it gets out of hand . I also see Bosnia splitting up again into a Muslim part and a Republika Srbska which will annex itself to Serbia.

Lets look at this post one year from now and see if any of my predictions are right !!!!

The other option is to split Kosovo into Serbian and Albanian parts !!! The other is that the EU will offer Serbia entry talks as a carrott to give up Kosovo!!



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1694 times:



I couldn't resist, even if I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the area.  wink 


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1691 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
I couldn't resist, even if I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the area.

Haha I have seen that video , its brilliant , at least you can laugh when there is all this crap going on !!!



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User currently offlineKunoichi From Denmark, joined Jan 2007, 796 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

My dad came home in July after spending half a year there.

He's now been ordered to go there again in August 2008, for 6 months. I'm finding it very hard to stay objective - but at the same time, I'm grateful that he's not being shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistan as he really doesn't have a say in whether he wants to go or not (unless he wants to lose his job, he can't say no). We're having a shitload of briefing meetings on the status there, and I feel I've got pretty good knowledge about the whole thing - still, it's getting personal, and the only thing on my mind is:

"It's so damn stupid".  Sad

Sorry. I was just told today and this topic jumped at me.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1682 times:



Quoting Kunoichi (Reply 7):
He's now been ordered to go there again in August 2008, for 6 months

Well the crunch time will come when Kosovo declares self proclaimed Independence without an agreement in December !! We will know within weeks if the sh@t is going to hit the fan .

Quoting Kunoichi (Reply 7):
"It's so damn stupid".

Your right but we cant ignore this as it has the potential to de stabilise the whole Balkan region again .



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

I don't actually expect major hostilities to break out after the declaration of independence - it will probably "just" be a continuation of the debilitating hostility between the various groups living next door to each other, with the finger-pointing, the grudges and separate incidents of violence continuing for at least a generation more.

The EU foreign ministers have just warned against impatience on the part of the kosovars, and I do expect the EU to help in the stabilization, but without the emergence of actual goodwill between the population groups I don't see a good future for the region.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

This obviously is an emotive subject and time will tell what happens in future. But my ideas and thoughts are in no way to disrepect Albanian members as they have the right to their views also as long as they are respectful of me and other Anet members.

[Edited 2007-11-19 17:02:01]


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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
The declaration of independence is only a matter of days after the election, it appears

Election has nothing to do with independence, other than prove that Kosovo is able to hold free and democratic elections. Independence will not be declared before Dec 10 and even then (whenever the actual date might be), it will be with the approval of the US and most of the EU.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 2):
Technically the best thing would be if the Kosovo remains in Serbia, but the peace is the most important think. So if the majority of Kosovars support independence, i will too (which is the case, de facto).
Kosovo is like a cancer. If Albanians don't agree with Serbs, maybe the best thing would be independence. But that could cause problem for other countries, such as Spain (Catalona and Basquia), Cyprus (T. Cyprus which is independent) etc.

Although I don't agree with what you think is best, it's refreshing reading this from you, if you're indeed Serbian.

Quoting Toast (Reply 3):
From where I'm standing, the short-term future of Kosovo looks bleak indeed. It will declare independence sooner or later, possibly even within the next few weeks. Serbia, backed by Russia, will try to do everything it takes to stop them. On the other hand, outright war doesn't seem likely as Serbia has had quite enough of it alrealdy, plus witness how they let go Montenegro with relative ease. Embargoes, political bullying and maybe low-key guerilla warfare is what I'd expect for some years to come.

I think you're spot on. But I'll add that the status quo is worse.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I think Kosovo is ready to explode into another war !! The Albanians once they get independance will try to form a union with Albania and then try to upset the status quo in the FYROM ''The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia''.

Kosovo will not explode into another war as this would only happen if Serbia attacks after a declaration of independence, and I don't think they will. And there is nothing to suggest that Albania and Kosovo will unite. First of all there is no desire from either side of the border. And I know this for a fact since I interact with Albanians more than anyone else here. Secondly, the international community would never allow it.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
In turn the hot heads in FYROM will try to claim land in Greece and it all will become rather nasty and confrontational. Thats why Greece is so against any country calling itself ''Macedonia'' when there are two Macdonia's. One in Greece and one in the Former Yugoslavia. The international community need to regognise these issues before referring to places as ''Macedonia''.

This is completely off topic. Macedonia's name is in no way or shape related to Kosovo.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Albania / Kosovo can be controlled if it gets out of hand .

And why would Albania or Kosovo need controlling? Albania has only projected stability in the region (which can't be said about certain other countries) in recent years. Trust me, if Albania wanted to mess up the fragile stability in the region for its advantage, it could easily do so.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
The other option is to split Kosovo into Serbian and Albanian parts !!! The other is that the EU will offer Serbia entry talks as a carrott to give up Kosovo!!

That's the worst solution ever. I'm sure you know there is a significant Albanian populated area in the south of Serbia near the border with Kosovo. By your reasoning this area should be allowed to become independent with Kosovo then. This exchange of territories, which is exactly what you're describing, is very risky.

Quoting Kunoichi (Reply 7):
He's now been ordered to go there again in August 2008, for 6 months.

He's your dad and obviously you'll be worried, but I don't think it's a big deal. I don't think violence will erupt in Kosovo and UNMIK/KFOR forces are quite safe.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
I don't actually expect major hostilities to break out after the declaration of independence - it will probably "just" be a continuation of the debilitating hostility between the various groups living next door to each other, with the finger-pointing, the grudges and separate incidents of violence continuing for at least a generation more.

Most likely yes, but I really think that the leaders of the Serbian community can do a lot to help speed the integration of their people in Kosovo. Unfortunately when you call for the boycott of elections, which are supported by the UN, you're not doing anyone a favor.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
The EU foreign ministers have just warned against impatience on the part of the kosovars

No one will declare independence without silent approval from the US and most of the EU.

[Edited 2007-11-19 18:04:58]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1602 times:



Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
Most likely yes, but I really think that the leaders of the Serbian community can do a lot to help speed the integration of their people in Kosovo. Unfortunately when you call for the boycott of elections, which are supported by the UN, you're not doing anyone a favor.

Certainly not - the question is whether there will be a competition for the most chauvinistic rethoric from either side or one for the clearest sanity... I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm open to be convinced otherwise.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1592 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
the question is whether there will be a competition for the most chauvinistic rethoric from either side or one for the clearest sanity... I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'm open to be convinced otherwise.

Neither am I and I still stand by my post . We will wait 12 months and see what really happens.

Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
And there is nothing to suggest that Albania and Kosovo will unite

Thats brilliant news indeed if true.

Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
This is completely off topic. Macedonia's name is in no way or shape related to Kosovo

Its part of the wider Balkan issue on territorial claims . Just do a search and see the links . By the way nice to see a level headed post from you .



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1566 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
Its part of the wider Balkan issue on territorial claims . Just do a search and see the links . By the way nice to see a level headed post from you .

Macedonia has name problems, but those problems have nothing to do with Kosovo issue. Greek Macedonia is a Greek periphery (their administrative division). Greek ethnic borders are ''clean'' and apart from the name of Macedonia they don't have any border disputes (with F.Y.R. Macedonia).
There is a large Albanian population living in western Macedonia, and that is what is the issue in Macedonia.

Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
Election has nothing to do with independence, other than prove that Kosovo is able to hold free and democratic elections. Independence will not be declared before Dec 10 and even then (whenever the actual date might be), it will be with the approval of the US and most of the EU.

Hashim Tachi won the elections. He promised independence to Kosovo.

Serbian gov thinks that the best status for Kosovo is total autonomy (such as Hong Kong to China).

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
Thats brilliant news indeed if true.

Unless the politics change, altough i think that Kosovo will never become part of Albania, and that Albanians wouldn't like it. They are same religion and they speak the same language but they are still different. You can't unite Germany and Austria, or New Zealand and UK...

Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
Kosovo will not explode into another war

I agree with you. There will maybe be protest by Serbian Kosovars (they live in northern Kosovo, and in Serbian ''enclaves'' around Kosovo.

Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
it's refreshing reading this from you, if you're indeed Serbian

Yes, i am a Serbian, but i always look forward to brighter and peacful future  bigthumbsup 

Cheers


User currently offlineKunoichi From Denmark, joined Jan 2007, 796 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1555 times:



Quoting TIA (Reply 11):
He's your dad and obviously you'll be worried, but I don't think it's a big deal. I don't think violence will erupt in Kosovo and UNMIK/KFOR forces are quite safe.

I know - there were absolutely no issues when he went there, back in febuary, and it's not so much him, getting hurt I'm worried about as much it's the fact that he'll just be gone for half a year and won't really be home for more than a week in total (if we're lucky) during that time. I can live without my dad just fine (I'm 21 and moving out), but he's my mother's husband after all, and I can't help "hating" Kosovo a little for taking him away from her. Especially with issues as trivial as the ones they have there (yes, I think it's trivial. I really do think the entire thing is stupid and they're just idiotic and stubborn). I don't get why people such as my dad has to get dragged into it, as selfish as it sounds...

Even if I do respect him and everyone else out there and in other conflict areas a great deal for going, it's still not nice when it gets personal.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1547 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 14):
Macedonia has name problems, but those problems have nothing to do with Kosovo issue. Greek Macedonia is a Greek periphery (their administrative division). Greek ethnic borders are ''clean'' and apart from the name of Macedonia they don't have any border disputes (with F.Y.R. Macedonia).

I was making the link that extremist ethnic Albanians that have in the past brought up the issue of a greater Albania with maps that claim parts of FYROM , Greece and Serbia !!

See here ::::Taken from strange maps!!

The Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians, an ancient Balkan people who preceded the Slavic populations surrounding their native territories. They presently have an independent nation - Albania, in their own language ‘Shqipëtar’, meaning ‘Land of the Eagles’ - but are also the majority in Kosovo, nominally still a part of Serbia but de facto a semi-independent state under UN tutelage. There are other significant Albanian populations in Montenegro, Serbia proper, Macedonia and Greece. This map shows the maximum extent of Albanian territorial ambitions - ‘Greater Albania’.




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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Can you please enlighten me regarding the purpose of putting that map up? Should I go and look for similar maps of Greek territorial claims and extremist groups? They are very easy to come by. And unfortunately all these Greek territorial claims don't even come from fringe groups all the time, but also from official sources.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 1520 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 3):
On the other hand, outright war doesn't seem likely as Serbia has had quite enough of it alrealdy, plus witness how they let go Montenegro with relative ease. Embargoes, political bullying and maybe low-key guerilla warfare is what I'd expect for some years to come.

I sincerely doubt Tadic will declare war to Kosovo, or endorse whatever group may engage in hostile actions in Kosovo.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 14):
Serbian gov thinks that the best status for Kosovo is total autonomy (such as Hong Kong to China).

I actually agree with that. Kosovo apparently became autonomous in 74, but then Milosevic took that autonomy away from them in 89. So in a way, the one who's to blame for starting this mess in the first place, was Milosevic. IMO autonomy is probably the better compromise for both, but I doubt it will be possible for both to maintain their union. Kosovo may seceed, but I'm confident that Tadic, who is a member of Djindjic's Democratic Party and stands for the opening of Serbia to Europe and full implementation of democracy and peace in Serbia, won't let this become a military conflict.

And if Kosovo does want independence, they should at least have the people vote on that in a Referendum, just as Montenegro did. If the people then vote for independence, then the democratic process will legitimise the decision of Kosovo to seceed, and maybe Serbia could become more willing to talk on the subject.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 1513 times:



Quoting TIA" class=quote target=_blank>TIA (Reply 17):
Can you please enlighten me regarding the purpose of putting that map up?

If we really want to close the real stroy I could always copy and paste replies from Kosovo Albanian members on a political web forum which their views are alot different than you claim your collegues intentions are.

Actually here goes :::

Quote 1

''We can get back some of our territories not by war but by politics. Did you know that the growth of the Albanian population in Macedonia(Skopje) is much greater than the growth of the Slav’s population. In 15 years 45 to 50% of Macedonia’s population will be Albanians. If our population forms only 1 party, we will win the elections and gain power. Then Macedonia’s Albanian Government should make a referendum in order to make Macedonia a part of Albania. We would win the referendum due to the fact that Albanians will be the majority of the population.''

Quote 2

''albania is independent…kosova will be soon…macedonia will one day be majority albanian and run by albanians…..thats three majority albanian states in the balkans….the U.S. is helping albaians out quite a bit…for their interests not just albanians, but what the hell, we’ll take the help. america doesnt want a slavic country to be dominate in the balkans cause that means russia will have its way in the balkans. research well and you will know what im talking about, (u.s. had war in kosova and macedonia planned out with albanians) the U.S. wants albanians to dominate in the balkans, the u.s. is setting up shop in albanian areas in the balkans for the rough times ahead…research research research… u will see what im talking about. now the world will see more war for the dwindling oil supply, but soon after countries will go to war for the water supplies, pick your allys, pick your enemys… im just so happy the U.S. supports albanians. by the way…what will these 3 majority albanian states do??? will they just be independent…or will the combine, to make 1 strong country with a stronger military and economy??? hmm???? i wonder? i also wonder if ppl in western governments already have something planned out??? dont be stupid, the fate of these countries were already planned before yugoslavia broke up. a greater albania is already in the works, its just that most people are so blind they cant see whats happening when its right in front of them. so…LONG LIVE THE UNITED ALBANIA''


If your interested TIA I can provide you with the website but I actually am confident you know most of the Albanian forums out there if you are active in your countries political and aspirational affairs.



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

I really don't need to look at what people write in an online forum to know what the truth is. As I said, do you want me to point out to you the claims of *some* Greek people? And they don't come from a nobody behind a computer screen.

Here is a comment from one of your enlightened clergymen (and please don't play the religion card with me, I'm Orthodox myself):
....Greek clergyman Anthimos, the hardliner Metropolitan Bishop of Thessaloniki, who said that parts of Macedonia belonged to Greece and "should be returned".
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setime...etimes/newsbriefs/2007/11/09/nb-10

Or do you want to talk about November 17 instead? How about Revolutionary Struggle which attacked the US embassy in Athens?

I can do this all day, because there is plenty of examples out there, and comments coming from a powerful clergyman or an attack on the a foreign embassy are a lot more dangerous to me than someone who runs his mouth on a forum.

However, I won't go up and down saying that Greece will annex part of Macedonia because I know that regardless of what *some* people might want to do, the vast *majority* won't support them. Hopefully, in due time you'll come to the same conclusion with regard to Albanians. Until then, I would recommend that you don't lose any sleep over Greater Albania, because it will never materialize.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
And if Kosovo does want independence, they should at least have the people vote on that in a Referendum, just as Montenegro did. If the people then vote for independence, then the democratic process will legitimise the decision of Kosovo to seceed, and maybe Serbia could become more willing to talk on the subject.

In a referendum, independence would win by something like 90% of the vote. That's why I think it's pointless. In fact, a referendum is being supported by a pro-independence organization in Kosovo exactly because it's certain that they would win.


User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 1495 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
I actually agree with that. Kosovo apparently became autonomous in 74, but then Milosevic took that autonomy away from them in 89. So in a way, the one who's to blame for starting this mess in the first place, was Milosevic. IMO autonomy is probably the better compromise for both, but I doubt it will be possible for both to maintain their union. Kosovo may seceed, but I'm confident that Tadic, who is a member of Djindjic's Democratic Party and stands for the opening of Serbia to Europe and full implementation of democracy and peace in Serbia, won't let this become a military conflict.

Serbs repeated same mistakes in last few centuries...innocent people suffered most, unfortunately. Even tough most of my friends support Kosovo to remain in Serbia, all of them know that there is no future for Serbs in Kosovo, or at least not in this decade. So, there is no reason for Kosovo to remain in Serbia. Democratic independent Kosovo is probably the best thing, altough i am not sure that this is possible in ex Yugoslavia. Independent Kosovo will also help Serbia to get closer to EU.
I only feel sorry for those Serbian Kosovars who live there and/or had to emmigrate from there. That's the reason that i am not 100% for independence.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
''albania is independent…kosova will be soon…macedonia will one day be majority albanian and run by albanians….

that could happen...don't forget issues in Skopje. Serbian tourist buses didn't go via Macedonia at the beggining of this decade because of fear of Albanian terrorist (they shot one bus).

But, non of these have a lot to do with Albania. Most of Kosovo/Macedonia, Albanians were living there for generations.

BTW, i hope to visit Albania as a tourist one day. I planed to visit Saranda (Ionnian sea resort) this summer, but i didn't.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 1489 times:



Quoting TIA (Reply 20):
Until then, I would recommend that you don't lose any sleep over Greater Albania, because it will never materialize.

The best solution for Kosovo is autonomy with a view to EU membership with Serbia . This is the only stable solution. If Kosovo get full Independence then there will be a whole new can of worms opened. If Kosovo was going to get Independence and get on with their lives and work towards bringing up their economy and educating their people then I may support it . The fact is if and when they get Independence they will still need EU troops and they will probably start fighting between themselves again. Its all about power struggle in Kosovo and I wonder how long before Kosovo Albanian politians start in fighting also.

Wouldn't it be nice to see a pro European Kosovo with equal rights for all and freedom for all and protection for all places of worship . The only thing is I dont think it will happen in our lifetime but I would sincerly love to be proved wrong .

TIME WILL TELL



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 1487 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 21):
BTW, i hope to visit Albania as a tourist one day. I planed to visit Saranda (Ionnian sea resort) this summer, but i didn't.

You should. How were you planning on getting there? Obviously the easist way for you to get to Albania would be by flying JU BEG-TIA, but the drive to Saranda is quite long (~6hrs). Of course, an easier way would be to fly to Corfu and then hop on the short ferry ride from there. Or you could book a cruise that goes through Saranda.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 1481 times:



Quoting TIA (Reply 20):
Here is a comment from one of your enlightened clergymen (and please don't play the religion card with me, I'm Orthodox myself):
....Greek clergyman Anthimos, the hardliner Metropolitan Bishop of Thessaloniki, who said that parts of Macedonia belonged to Greece and "should be returned".
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setime...nb-10

Response from the Greek government totally rejected this. And you quote ''please dont play the religion card with me , im Orthodox '' is very mis guided by yourself!!! Good for you that you are Orthodox !!! Im Catholic ............



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25 TIA : No you wouldn't. The status quo is exactly the reason why they can't get on with their daily lives and that's exactly what independence would give th
26 LTU932 : Nevertheless, a democratic vote, with supervision of EU electoral inspectors, can help in a way legitimise their claim. It may seem pointless, but as
27 OA260 : Yes I would , I have stated that . We will see what really happens . I dont share your optimism. Also please clear up your allegation of me using the
28 AlexEU : That is probably the best, but in reality it's hard to achieve. Let's take Bosnia's example. They administratively split the country into Serbian par
29 TIA : And when has the Albanian government, or any leading Albanian politician for that matter, supported the idea of a greater Albania? And what you just
30 AlexEU : This thread is like a chat room. After i replied, 4 new replies appeared... But in this case, Serbs probably wouldn't support it, and it would be unfa
31 OA260 : KLA turned Politician and the power struggle:::: Mr Haradinaj is the third senior member of the KLA to have been attacked in recent months. One was gu
32 Post contains images TIA : I never said you played the religion card. I was referring to the future when I said don't play the religion card since I was talking about a priest.
33 CY319 : Kosovo is a land with very very rich Serbian history when it comes to churches, sights and culture. It would be an 'assassination' of the Serbian hist
34 Post contains images OA260 : Well Im glad you have said what you said and your view is your view and mine is mine. The one thing that we can agree on is that whatever happens we
35 TIA : Do you have any sources that these people have supported greater Albania? Please find me a source of any LEADING Kosovo politician that supports grea
36 PA110 : And it is those very sentiments that keep the Balkans in a state of perpetual turmoil. Although more people seem to be getting sick and tired of the
37 AlexEU : I just heard on news that Tadic and Kostunica are ''not happy'' because Albanian Kosovars rejected to negotiate. Greek and F.Y.R MAcedonian boundary i
38 OA260 : You could say that about lots of nations around the world !!! No country has clean hands in history. Its what people do in the future is what matters
39 AlexEU : F.Y.R.O. Macedonia is a candidate for EU. Why are you concerned about border claims with Greece? There were never problems. F.Y.R.O. Macedonia was pa
40 OA260 : I know ALL about FYROM . Once they get into the EU whats to say they will not go back on their intentions?? Can you guarantee that??? They can sign a
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