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New Fiat 500 Is European Car Of The Year  
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

The new Fiat 500 has been awarded the title of European Car of the Year, beating the Mazda 2 into second place and the Ford Mondeo into third.

The Euro COTY has frequently been awarded to a lot of dross in the past - Peugeot 307, Renault 9, Fiat Brava, Chrysler Horizon - and vaery rarely to "fashionable" cars. Is it a deserving winner ? What do you think ?




I'm expecting to hear the sounds of laughter from our American members when they see this car of course  Wink


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
I'm expecting to hear the sounds of laughter from our American members when they see this car of course

That thing is car of the year?!? What do the losers look like??


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3310 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
That thing is car of the year?!? What do the losers look like??

American.  Wink

Actually, small Fiats have always been fantastic little beasts for city driving, but the quality of them has gone downhill dramatically in recent years. All the reviews suggest that the new 500 is a real return to form.

Having said that, the European COTY is such a bonkers thing that the motoring press, in Britain at least, just laughs at it. They get it appallingly wrong, year after year. The 307 was an unbelievable decision to make, so its credibility is pretty much shot anyway, even if they happen to be right with this one.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3310 times:



Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
Peugeot 307, Renault 9, Fiat Brava,

Fiat Brava and Peugeot 307 are splendid motor-cars  Angry , while the Renault 9 was rather mediocre. I have never driven the or IN the new FIAT 500, but I know the old "rolling coffee mill" and would not see it as something desirable.
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Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
they see this car

while it of course is cute, and may, just as the old one, be the solution for millions of people with lack of money and lack of parking space.
 yes 


User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

I've been in one of these, and they are fantastic little cars.

Well deserved of the title. You should of posted "EU members only" though.


Morgan


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

That's God awful! I'd rather be in a Smart Car or a Mini. That front end already looks like it's hit a wall.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3302 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
Peugeot 307 are splendid motor-cars

Top Gear satisfaction survey: Peugeot 307 ranked 150th out of 152.

An absolute dog.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2758 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3295 times:



Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
I'm expecting to hear the sounds of laughter from our American members when they see this car of course

Why? the thing is, most americans do no understand why here in europe we use small cars, fuel prices are high, parking spaces are at premium, congested roads, and we are still using roads and streets built wayyyyyy before the frist american settlers arrived there, we do not need huge fuel guzzler V12 powered pickup trucks to get to work, we want a cheap, reliable, practical car.

I think the Fiat 500 is a very beautiful car, Fiat has done a great job reviving a classic.

MIAspotter



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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 948 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

The original 500:



:D Big grin Big grin

And the engine wa REALLY a 500cc.!! it inspired the most succesfull car ever in Spain (Seat 600). you can see both types still out in the street.



Miquel.
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3292 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Top Gear satisfaction survey: Peugeot 307 ranked 150th out of 152.

Not to mention when it was launched it was already inferior to other cars in the class like the Focus, Astra or Golf. and it didn't even have any good hot versions like Peugeot used to be able to make.

Quoting Freckles (Reply 4):
You should of posted "EU members only" though.

Why? Its voted for by journalists across Europe including the likes of Turkey I believe.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
but I know the old "rolling coffee mill" and would not see it as something desirable.

do you mean one of these?



Voted sexiest car ever by Top Gear magazine - and celebrity owners include racing drivers Michael Schumacher and Jean Alesi, Gordon Murray and Pete Stevens (designers of the McLaren F1), Nick Mason and other noteworthy people who can afford and have far more exotic things  Smile



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3282 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
Not to mention when it was launched it was already inferior to other cars in the class like the Focus, Astra or Golf. and it didn't even have any good hot versions like Peugeot used to be able to make.

Yep. So we have a car that was already inferior to the competition, which then turned out to have been assembled by monkeys, resulting in a passionate hatred for the thing by all those unfortunate enough to have been conned by a self-appointed bunch of so-called experts, often voting for political reasons, amongst whom not one of them was ever likely to have actually bought one.

I wonder the the ECoTY isn't taken seriously.... ?  Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3275 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Yep. So we have a car that was already inferior to the competition, which then turned out to have been assembled by monkeys, resulting in a passionate hatred for the thing by all those unfortunate enough to have been conned by a self-appointed bunch of so-called experts, often voting for political reasons, amongst whom not one of them was ever likely to have actually bought one.

I wonder the the ECoTY isn't taken seriously.... ?

You only have to look at how many times the French and Italians have won it  Wink

But even this time they are voting for a car that is based on the chassis of the existing Fiat Panda (that already won ECoTY) for a car that is the same sort of concept as the Mini (which came nowhere in the past). Incidentally, the Panda beat another Mazda too.


Mind you the current North American Car of the Year is the Saturn Aura, which is basically an Opel/Vauxhall Vectra - a car seen as being nowhere near the class best in Europe and already a good few years old.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3264 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
You only have to look at how many times the French and Italians have won it

What you mean...

Fiat/Alfa/Lancia 12
Renault 6
Peugeot 3
Citroen 3



Ford 5
GM 2
Audi 2
VW 1
Toyota 1
Nissan 1

You'll be telling me next the whole thing is laughably stupid!  Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3258 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
You'll be telling me next the whole thing is laughably stupid!

Not at all. I'm sure the Citroen XM and Fiat Tipo were very worthy winners  Wink



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3254 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 13):
Not at all. I'm sure the Citroen XM and Fiat Tipo were very worthy winners

Good point. And the Alfa 147 couldn't possibly have been simply a pretty face and comprehensively thumped by the competition in all other areas.  Wink



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26951 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3251 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 2):
Actually, small Fiats have always been fantastic little beasts for city driving, but the quality of them has gone downhill dramatically in recent years. All the reviews suggest that the new 500 is a real return to form.

I actually like it . I love Fiats. My mate has a new type Fiat Panda which he got in 2004. He has 94,000 miles on the clock and has had no problems with it at all. Just normal maintenance.

How much is the 500 retailing at???


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3251 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 14):
Good point. And the Alfa 147 couldn't possibly have been simply a pretty face and comprehensively thumped by the competition in all other areas

Good point. And the Alfa 156 couldn't possibly have been simply a pretty face and comprehensively thumped by the competition in all other areas  Wink


Mind you, one year they got together, smoked something and voted the Porsche 928 CotY  Wow! How could that happen when it was doubtlessly up against a small Renault or Fiat



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3248 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
How much is the 500 retailing at???

In the UK, at a premium to go for the premium small fashion market a la the Mini. In mainland Europe they have budget versions at far lower prices - above that of the Panda though.



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3234 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
What do the losers look like??

like THIS :

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Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 5):
a Smart Car or a Mini.

Smart Cars look awful and the new-500 most certainly is nicer to look at and nicer to drive than a Mini
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Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
but I know the old "rolling coffee mill" and would not see it as something desirable.

do you mean one of these?

yes, "rolling coffee mill" was one nickname, "driving rucksack" another one, and "driving espresso-machine" the third one
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User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 2):
but the quality of them has gone downhill dramatically in recent years. All the reviews suggest that the new 500 is a real return to form.

I wouldn't agree with that generalistion, the Puntos from 1996-now have all been highly reliable and good little cars, maybe other fiat models weren't.

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Top Gear satisfaction survey: Peugeot 307 ranked 150th out of 152.

Shame really, I liked the way that looked. The new 308 is a POS.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
Why? Its voted for by journalists across Europe including the likes of Turkey I believe.

Lets not get political! - I was talking about a.net members from this side of the planet, and not people like LOT767-300ER.
Not the European Union!
Morgan

[Edited 2007-11-20 04:55:43]

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3219 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
How much is the 500 retailing at???

Here
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----------------------------------------------POP--------LOUNGE----------SPORT
1.2 69 PS-------------------------------16500 ------19500---------------20500
1.4 16V 100 PS-----------------------19500 ------22500---------------23500
1.3 MultiJet 16V 75 PS (DPF) --19500-------22500---------------23500
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are the prices of www.autoitalia.ch (FIAT CH) in Swiss Francs
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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3202 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
yes, "rolling coffee mill" was one nickname, "driving rucksack" another one, and "driving espresso-machine" the third one

My favourite was the "clockwork mouse" Big grin

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
How much is the 500 retailing at???

cheapest in UK will be £7900 GBP. sport and luxury models from £9300 GBP



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3201 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 21):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
How much is the 500 retailing at???

cheapest in UK will be £7900 GBP. sport and luxury models from £9300 GBP

It doesn't look as though Irish prices have yet been released. UK prices are relevant in that one could always be imported to Ireland.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26951 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3193 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 22):
UK prices are relevant in that one could always be imported to Ireland.

Yes but its not worth it because Ireland still have this stupid VRT tax at 23% !!! So much for being in the EU


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
I'm expecting to hear the sounds of laughter from our American members when they see this car of course  Wink

Not really. Sales of the Smart ForTwo have been stronger than anticipated and Toyota is supposed to unveil within the next 18 months a small "city car" based on the Aygo platform specifically for the USA market. In fact, I've read that Ford is seriously considering selling the next-generation Ford Ka--which shares the platform with the Fiat for the USA market, too.


25 Freckles : The VRT tax is atrocious - I know the MD of Citroen N.Ireland, and the discount he could offer us on a C8 was around €7,500 - it was on
26 Post contains images Toast : I don't give a damn about cars in general, but I'll admit I like the looks of this one. Il genio italiano
27 1stfl94 : It's small and Italian, of course it's going to win COTY!!! Look at the evidence, 2004, Fiat Panda, 1995, Fiat Punto, 1984, Fiat Uno
28 RayChuang : Actually, the current Fiat Panda is a nice little car that has attracted a lot of sales throughout Europe as a low-cost family car.
29 VonRichtofen : Is the Yaris hatchback sold in the US?
30 NeilYYZ : I would strongly disagree, however, that's just my opinion, there's no sense in us arguing about taste.
31 Post contains images LAXspotter : So Is that a family car ? How small are you side streets in Europe? I need some pictures. I wonder if a car like the Ford Excursion or any monstrous S
32 Post contains images JJJ : I'm sorry? It singlehandedly propelled Alfa's sales in Europe to levels not seen in ages, and it's holding its value to near-Golf levels. Granted the
33 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Like THIS : the city centre of Zurich. Of course many people who have the private space and can afford it have second cars to show off, BUT most peop
34 LAXspotter : no kidding, its pointless to have large cars there.
35 Banco : Ye-es, and it hasn't been a bad car, by any means, especially in more recent years where they've sorted out some of the more obvious problems. But th
36 Post contains images RayChuang : Only the three-door version of the Yaris hatchback is available in the USA. Cute-looking car, though. Toyota does not sell the five-door Yaris hatchb
37 JJJ : Aren't ECOTYs supposed to be new launches? There's a fair amount of guessing involved, surely.
38 Alessandro : Well, ECOTY only include new cars for the year, so Smart and others are yesterdays news. I think of the Chrysler PT Cruiser when I see this car.
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