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IPhone To Be Sold In Germany With NO Lock  
User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

T-Mobile will start selling the IPhone in its Shops for 999 Euro without Network Locks or requirement for contract.
Apparently, T-Mob and Apple responded quickly to legal action by Vodafone and Debitel in Germany, that threatened them with hefty fines of up to 250.000 Euro Per sold unit.
So there it is, the IPhone without artificial locks hits the Street, although for a rather hefty price.
Customers whom bought the T-Mob IPhone after Nov. 19th are also able to get a Software Update that removes Locks on the Phone.

[Edited 2007-11-21 05:11:36]


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

£715. Ouch.

It's unlocked in France too but I forgot the price.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

lol...that's around $1600 AUD, no way in the world am I paying nearly $2000 for a mobile phone if the Australian's price it in that range.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3552 times:
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Yeah I read that too...
And I couldnt care less about it...

Whats so special about this iphone?! I don't want to have it...

I am happy with my Nokia E65 Big grin

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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

The biggest thing is its only 2.5G and Aussie doenst have wireless internet everywhere. Most airports/shopping centres dont have it so its not really much use unless at work with wireless or at a fast food restaraunt imo.

If it was 3G that would be good would allow you to use the overpriced telstra network and have access to Foxtel etc. I have a touch iPod which does basically everything without the phone, its a great great gadget but with the internet side of things there is no where to use it.

I think i'll take the K850i  Smile



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

pretty sure Telstra will release it here and it will be 3G for our needs...


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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3532 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 5):
pretty sure Telstra will release it here and it will be 3G for our needs...

Would defintley give it an edge!



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Finally! But it is fare too expensive. I only hope when it comes to Switzerland that Apple will sell it and not phone providers.

User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Apparently a student at one of the Universities in Glasgow has been able to unlock his.


Tom



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

No way, a court actually convicts Apple because of anti-competitive practices? What next, requiring them to provide decent access to iTunes to people withour iPods? Authorizing the use of MacOS software in computers not produced by Apple?

I guess Apple customers are used to getting screwed over so $1,500 for a phone won't sound too much.



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User currently offlineFreckles From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3441 times:



Quoting Tom12 (Reply 8):

Yeah, its not hard, search "unlock iphone" on google - its a simple patch.

Not a long term thing though - using it renders the phone useless under an Apple firmware update.

Morgan


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3437 times:
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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 5):
pretty sure Telstra will release it here and it will be 3G for our needs...

It not the operators decision.. but Apple's..



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3422 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 11):
It not the operators decision.. but Apple's..

errr...it'll be a joint decision, if Apple want the item on sale in Australia then they'll have to release it for our advanced NextG mobile network. Australia has one of the most advanced mobile networks in the world, if Apple want to sell the item here they're going too have to deal with Telstra and make it compatible for us.

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,22676711-462,00.html



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 12):
it'll be a joint decision,

Technically you are right. But the actual manufacturing is Apple. My point was that Apple will not develop a 3G phone for Australia only. Once the 3G is available it will be available world wide. So while Telstra is still part of the decision process on when the Iphone is available for you folk - it is still basically up to Apple to develop it

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 12):
Australia has one of the most advanced mobile networks in the world, if Apple want to sell the item here they're going too have to deal with Telstra and make it compatible for us.

They did not do it for Europe...

I do think that iphone V2.0 will be 3G capable.

[Edited 2007-11-21 14:06:16]


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3405 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 5):
pretty sure Telstra will release it here and it will be 3G for our needs...

In Congo?
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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3387 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 13):
They did not do it for Europe...

I do think that iphone V2.0 will be 3G capable.

probably need more than 3G because we've moved on from that, ours is now Next G.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 13):
Once the 3G is available it will be available world wide. So while Telstra is still part of the decision process on when the Iphone is available for you folk - it is still basically up to Apple to develop it

it will need to be 3G or next G for Australia because we don't have any other band operating down here.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3379 times:



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 9):
What next, requiring them to provide decent access to iTunes to people withour iPods?

Yes.

Quote:
A year ago, a French court ruled against Sony's requirement that songs sold in its online music store be played only on Sony devices. Apple faces a similar court challenge in France over its iTunes songs, which are tied to the iPod. The iPod's music- and video-playing features are built into the iPhone.



User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 15):

probably need more than 3G because we've moved on from that, ours is now Next G.

Isnt "NextG" just a marketing name?

"How is Next G different to Telstra's existing 3G network?

For starters Next G operates on a different frquency to the existing 3G network: Next G operates on the 850mHz range whilst existing 3G services operate on the 2100mHz range. Next G services are also cover more of Australia than any other exitsing 3G platform: Next G services are replacing CDMA services so will work just as well in the country as they do in the city. Most existing 3G networks will only work in metropolitan areas."

http://www.fonezone.com.au/?p=5

I guess its just a 3G-HSDPA network.

[Edited 2007-11-21 15:58:08]

Here is a list of countries that have the same technology..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HSDPA_networks

[Edited 2007-11-21 16:00:29]


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3337 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 17):
Isnt "NextG" just a marketing name?

no, its next G and operates on different frequencies etc as you've mentioned, its totally different. 3G is slowly being phased out in favour of Next G.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Boy are you guys getting ripped a new rectal orfice! In the USA, IPhones are only about $299-399.
Yes, USA subscribers are restricted to AT&T Wireless, but that is due to a quark in our telecommunications and trade laws. Still I think that the rest of the world has the right idea that you can choose your carrier. Probably your anti-trust and trade laws require that.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

I'm holding off buying the iPhone until Apple unveils the second-generation model that includes HSDPA 3G broadband download support, something that would make the iPhone very useful in Europe, Japan, and even the USA (AT&T has started to accelerate HSDPA rollouts in all major metropolitan areas).

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3309 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
Boy are you guys getting ripped a new rectal orfice! In the USA, IPhones are only about $299-399.

So? The german price under similar conditions is also similar (including VAT etc.). The verdict just forces T-Mobile to offer the iPhone unlocked in addition to the standard coupled contracts (and to unlock those iPhones as well).

There's nothing being taken away from the customer except limitations. If the verdict is upheld by the higher courts, it will merely add more freedom of choice than the one you've got so far.

On the downside, the T-Mobile plans all remain limited to a certain data volume at full speed. Beyond that volume, the connection speed is choked back to dial-up speed. O2 in Britain has apparently just dropped a similar restriction; Time for T-Mobile to follow suit.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 3242 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
So? The german price under similar conditions is also similar (including VAT etc.). The verdict just forces T-Mobile to offer the iPhone unlocked in addition to the standard coupled contracts (and to unlock those iPhones as well).

There's nothing being taken away from the customer except limitations. If the verdict is upheld by the higher courts, it will merely add more freedom of choice than the one you've got so far.

so if i can get an IPhone for 300 dollars which has the same lack of restrictions as the 1500 dollar model, why would i buy the 1500 dollar phone when i can get the same exact thing for 1/5 of the price? It'd seem to me, from a business sense point of view, you keep the cheaper phones locked so as not to take sales away from the more expensive, unlocked phone.



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

In Europe with no 3G? Only Apple apologists will buy it.

Just wait for the SE W960i  Smile



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

What a rip, you can get the N95 for half that.


Word
25 Zak : law in the interest of the common citizen > business interests of t-com/apple
26 Klaus : As long as you're paying for the carrier's contract there is nothing lost. The higher price is for the phone without that contract, so both the carri
27 Post contains images Zak : true, its way ahead of the i-gimmick
28 Post contains images Klaus : That depends on whether you need more features which you could theoretically use or fewer features but which you will actually use in practice...!
29 Zak : isnt that true of about every phone out there. the iphone has no new or better features either, so you are kind of making a moot point, and no, i don
30 Klaus : Have you actually looked at it yet?
31 VonRichtofen : Other than a flashy touch screen interface what does the Iphone have that the N95 doesn't?
32 Zak : yes, i find the interface to be AWFULLY inefficient.
33 ManuCH : I would honestly buy an iPhone, if this were the only problem - I really don't care about 3G. I actually have an N95 right now, and 3G is disabled. I
34 Post contains images Klaus : What's more efficient about trying to click through multiple microscopic menus, buttons and alerts in the hope that it might actually do what you wan
35 Moo : I think the bigger problem ManuCH is alluding to is that he can use other phones keyboards without looking at the keyboard, which is possible because
36 Klaus : That's the question... typing without looking is feasible on a normal dialing keypad, but I doubt that many of the existing QWERTZ/Y mini-keyboards c
37 Tom12 : I can now type on my QWERTY keyboard (On my phone) without looking but it was incredible akward to start with. Also, it is no where near as easy as i
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