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England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?  
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Allright, I was just watching SkySports, and they were just shocked at this defeat, the entire broadcast was about the defeat and it was quite interesting to see how much you Englishmen are into a sport that you seem to suck at  duck  . Furthermore, it seems that England always has high expectations and always comes up short. What is wrong with English Football?


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2548 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
What is wrong

The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ?  Confused  Silly  yes   duck   duck   duck 


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6604 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2542 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Furthermore, it seems that England always has high expectations and always comes up short. What is wrong with English Football?

A lack of decent, and uninjured, players and a manager to keep it simple and consistent.

Regarding injuries.... they use the wrong boots. How many metatarsals is it now??



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2536 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

England currently sucks, nuff said.

Here's an interesting comment on that: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A29372556


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2520 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ?

And that would help them achieving WHAT exactly?  rotfl   duck 



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2518 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
England currently sucks, nuff said.

Its quite sad, that being one of the most Football crazed nations in Europe and coming up short like that must be dissapointing which is an understatment really.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2516 times:



Quoting Andreas (Reply 4):
The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ?

And that would help them achieving WHAT exactly?

It may help them to phase out those players who basically just love to suffer and keep those really interested to try. And it would create a team of people from the Shetland Islands down to Brighton, and so a much wider choice. As the present teams do NOT really excel, why not combine them into one ?


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 2504 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
It may help them to phase out those players who basically just love to suffer and keep those really interested to try. And it would create a team of people from the Shetland Islands down to Brighton, and so a much wider choice. As the present teams do NOT really excel, why not combine them into one ?

Well first of all it was a joke, but ok, maybe some people are right now not in the mood for jokes...so DON'T MENTION FOOTBALL!

Seriously...what do you expect to happen: NOTHING!! England has in terms of players one of the best teams in Europe (ok, goalies we may not want to talk about....are there any new nicknames for poor Mr. Carson yet??), so in the end, a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one.



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User currently offlineJCKastrup From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2499 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Furthermore, it seems that England always has high expectations and always comes up short. What is wrong with English Football?

They are overrated...........



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User currently offlineImpacto From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

I feel sorry for the England fans, but I must say I'm really happy with that result, because I for one can't stand the English press and their arrogance. They seem to be the one's controlling football in England . Team Scotland may have been knocked out from an even more difficult group but we went out fighting. England had no fight, and went out with a whimper. Maybe, as ME AVN FAN pointed out, qualifying as one nation (United Kingdom) might be the best solution. For God's sake why do you need four territories from one nation to qualify? Thats being greedy if you ask me, and yet in the end, all failed in qualifying. Pity.

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2491 times:



Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
difficult group but we went out fighting.

exactly what I heard from a scotsman on Skysports  Silly. Same words, some tone and spot on.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2481 times:



Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
because I for one can't stand the English press and their arrogance. They seem to be the one's controlling football in England .

Definitely a valid point...big problem!!

Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
England had no fight, and went out with a whimper.

Indeed, quite funny that is!

Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
qualifying as one nation (United Kingdom) might be the best solution. For God's sake why do you need four territories from one nation to qualify?

Right, go discuss this with the Welsh, the Northern Irish and most of all, with the English...have fun! Big grin
Besides it'll get you nothing!



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2463 times:



Quoting Andreas (Reply 7):
it was a joke

I am quite certain that in much of England, the mood in this regard is NOT for jokes ! I however nevertheless fear that the Brits are not to consider a merger of their "national" football-teams, whenever it would simply be normal as the UK is ONE country.
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Quoting Andreas (Reply 7):
a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one

No, it would/will inlude Scottish players
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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2462 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ? Confused Silly yes duck duck duck

Hell will freeze over before that ever happens!

Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
Team Scotland may have been knocked out from an even more difficult group but we went out fighting. England had no fight, and went out with a whimper.

thats englands problem - arrogance! they go into every game and tournament expecting to win. When they fail they quickly find a scape goat, be it beckham, rooney, or usually - the manager.

England need to lower their expectations, and instead actually try and win the game, rather than going in expecting it to just happen, only to get a shock. Perhaps this will be the wakeup call.

The F.A is currently meeting, and it is almost certain that he will be sacked. The vote is expected to go 8-2 in favour of sacking him. £2.5m payoff for him, so cant all be bad!



That'll teach you
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2453 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
arrogance! they go into every game and tournament expecting to win. When they fail they quickly find a scape goat, be it beckham, rooney, or usually - the manager.



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
England need to lower their expectations, and instead actually try and win the game

I'm starting to my dad has an Anet account

Dad it's me  Big grin



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 2442 times:
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There are reports that McClaren has been told that that he will be sacked.
The FA are holding a press conference at 0945.


User currently offlineJCKastrup From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

McClaren officially sacked...........

Time for Mourinho?????



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

McClaren told of England sacking

Steve McClaren has been told in private by the Football Association that he has been sacked as England coach.

The FA will imminently announce that McClaren, who is set for a £2.5m pay-off, has lost his job 18 months into a four-year contract.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7100393.stm

Who the hell gave him a 4 year contract? Shouldnt he have been a 2 year contract or somehting to prove himself first?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2415 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one

No, it would/will inlude Scottish players

Exactly!!  duck 



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2399 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
he "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ? Confused Silly yes duck duck duck

Hell will freeze over before that ever happens!

Ever heard about the climate change ? Listen to Al Gore !  Big grin
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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2395 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
A lack of decent, and uninjured, players and a manager to keep it simple and consistent.

True, to a certain extent, but it's got to come down to management. Look at the world class players they have and yet they look very average when they pull on an England shirt.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
thats englands problem - arrogance! they go into every game and tournament expecting to win. When they fail they quickly find a scape goat, be it beckham, rooney, or usually - the manager.

I don't believe the players have been arrogant. Yes, the English media and many of the supporters lost the plot yet again and after some of the very condescending remarks about Scotland recently, they can't expect much sympathy.  Smile

Talking of Beckham, it's interesting that, yet again, the man McClaren didn't want to use again turned the tide last night. Not quite enough but he made a difference. And some still think he's overrated!

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
I however nevertheless fear that the Brits are not to consider a merger of their "national" football-teams, whenever it would simply be normal as the UK is ONE country.

If we'd started out as one team, fine. But we didn't and we'd rather switch to following another sport than merge our football teams. I'm not sure you've quite grasped the concept of following a team. Do you think it would be a popular move for Grasshopper and FC Zurich to merge to increase their chances of success? They're both Zurich teams so, according to you, their fans should welcome it.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Andreas (Reply 18):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one

No, it would/will inlude Scottish players

Exactly!!

It'd be hard to see any Scots players getting into a combined team. McFadden perhaps, that's about it. No Welsh, no Northern Irish. This always crops up, and no matter how many times we say it, it doesn't seem to get through. NO-ONE wants it, not English, not Scottish, not anyone. As to why it is the way it is, that's because we invented the bloody game, played it internationally before anyone else, and as with most sports, each nation plays individually. The Olympics is one of the very few occasions we compete as a unified team.

Now, having put that frankly silly debate back to bed where it belongs....

Andreas, I mentioned to you a year and a half ago that I thought something had broken in terms of the relationship between England fans and the team, and all you're seeing now is the results of that in terms of reaction. People can easily cope with a side not being very good, as long as they give it their all. Everyone, from whatever corner of these islands, and beyond, has nothing but the deepest admiration for Scotland and the way their players fight and work for each other to get results. If England had even half of their attitude they'd be winning competitions, let alone qualifying - because that's the difference between teams at the top level where overall ability is similar. Germany in the last World Cup were very similar, and they nearly went the whole way with a limited side.

But they don't. As I said on the other thread, England fans - everyone you met - was half-hoping for the result last night to be as it was because then finally, FINALLY it might wake a few people up.

We can talk about the number of English players in the Premier League, but the cream will always get through, and you can't tell me that John Terry for example didn't benefit from playing alongside, and learning from a player as special as Marcel Desailly.

But the scandal is in the structure. England don't even have a national academy for young players, for heaven's sake. Compare that with France, who have a fairly rubbish national league, but who produce players left right and centre. English football is entirely in the hands of the clubs, who don't give a stuff about the national team, and just care about how many shirts they can sell in China. They're stupid and short-sighted too, because when England fail, it impacts on the interest level in club football; it's in their interests for England to do well.

England DO have good players. There is an issue about the depth of the quality, because when the first choice lot are injured there's a worrying absence of quality to come in. Nevertheless, the real problem is that even when the first-choice players are all out there, they play appallingly. England didn't fail to qualify because of a one off result, they didn't qualify because over a 12 game campaign they weren't good enough, in what really was a piss-easy group. Croatia are a good side, but for England to fail to finish even second....?

The whole world must laugh at quite how inept they are when they step on the field. And let's not just load it all the manager either, because for all the nonsense thrown at him, Eriksson is a fine, fine coach, and HE couldn't get them to play either, nor was he responsible for their inability to hit the target from 12 yards.

So the malaise is much deeper set than the choice of the man in charge. When people criticise England players for a lack of desire in the shirt, others come out and say it ain't so. Well, what then? They don't LOOK like they really care, whatever they may say - the likes of Beckham being honourable exceptions - and if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

As to what next? Well, who in their right mind would want to take on the England team? No tournament next year, and no prospect of one till 2010. No top level manager is going to want that job. And even if they did, I wonder how much of a difference it would make. England are getting outplayed by teams with lower quality players, run by managers who have a lot less top level experience than any England one.

And finally, the press. Well, we all know that the tabloid media are bastards. But they still aren't the ones who cross the white line. Whatever you may think of them (and I think very little of them) they aren't the ones responsible for the performances.

[Edited 2007-11-22 02:48:28]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

"Ohne England, fahr'n wir zur EM! Ohne England, fahr'n wir zur EM!" Big grin
Sorry, just had to write that. But hey, at least Lampard proved that the English can actually succeed at penalties.

I'm actually more wondering when the 3 top croatian players will now get their Russian-donated limousines  Silly .


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2372 times:



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):
at least Lampard proved that the English can actually succeed at penalties.

He was absolutely abysmal apart from that though.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2353 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
Andreas, I mentioned to you a year and a half ago that I thought something had broken in terms of the relationship between England fans and the team, and all you're seeing now is the results of that in terms of reaction. People can easily cope with a side not being very good, as long as they give it their all. Everyone, from whatever corner of these islands, and beyond, has nothing but the deepest admiration for Scotland and the way their players fight and work for each other to get results. If England had even half of their attitude they'd be winning competitions, let alone qualifying - because that's the difference between teams at the top level where overall ability is similar. Germany in the last World Cup were very similar, and they nearly went the whole way with a limited side.

Funny I just posted something similar in another Forum...yes indeed, one of the major problems.

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
England don't even have a national academy for young players, for heaven's sake. Compare that with France, who have a fairly rubbish national league, but who produce players left right and centre.

Yes one of the great achievements of the French, Italy as well, Netherlands (at least Ajax) and in Germany we've just started to build it up on a broader basis.

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
He was absolutely abysmal apart from that though.

Yes indeed, and besides, that penalty was a joke in itself...in PL no Ref would dare!!!



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25 Oly720man : And how often they seem to be world class for their club sides... because they can be lifted by the other (overseas) superstars? Well, only once (tha
26 Banco : Maybe. But if you look at comparable sides, the Germanys, Frances, Italys etc, you can't tell me that they have that many players who you'd prefer to
27 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : - The ZSC Lions is the result of the merger of two Icehockey Teams. http://www.zsc-lions.ch/team/geschichte.cfm The reason was just similar to the pr
28 Post contains images Andreas : Certainly not since April...which was the last time Ballack was close to a football match. But aside from that....it is a fact that basically all Eng
29 BHXFAOTIPYYC : The general problem, not just confined to England, is that footballers are a bunch of overpaid hairdressers. The days when playing for your national t
30 Post contains images Andreas : But then they're welcome to visit anyway, and it would be fun for them, too...Drinking, sunbathing, and all that without those frustrating hours at a
31 Banco : Yes, but you never know if Englishmen will be international top coaches or not, because the moneybags clubs just go straight for a ready-made foreign
32 Alessandro : I think Fabio Cappello would be a good choice of manager.
33 Post contains images Klaus : As it is now, it reminds me fatally of that old horror movie cliche where a small group of people infiltrates the lair of the monster and then glorio
34 Banco : England fans go to tournaments in bigger numbers than any other nation. And now the nutters are prevented from travelling, the actually do tend to be
35 Post contains images Banco : It's as feasible as Germany unifying with France on the football field. Why don't you just accept that?
36 Andreas : Yes same happened in Germany in 2000.....remember that EC (Portugal) we have all agreed not to mention again...EVER!!! Ribbeck was kicked, up came po
37 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : If the Brits stay away from the Euro-08 it simply will be a loss, the Croatian fans can never make up, and so, that thing is most regrettable indeed
38 Post contains images Banco : Sorry, I didn't realise there was a tournament that year... Perhaps. It doesn't impact the structural problems though.
39 Post contains images Banco : Wrong comparison again. Let's get one thing clear, we have played as separate nations for 130 years. Before any of you lot played football. And quite
40 Post contains images Klaus : You can table that point again when Germany and France should have a common national government but still separate football teams. The whole point of
41 Post contains images Andreas : Exactly! Yes he did...in his own stubborn way...and THAT is what or rather who you need, no matter Who exactly! No need to be rude, really!!
42 Post contains images Klaus : No, that is exactly the correct comparison! And what good has that done you recently? Sure, but just picking on you is even more fun...!
43 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : THIS possibly is just THE problem !? - not yet --- not yet !
44 Post contains images BHXFAOTIPYYC : ... although we did seem to spend a lot of money on stadia around that time.... I certainly can't remember who won it if there was
45 Post contains images Andreas : Infrastructural needs, wasn't it? Funny how these things slip the mind...at the same time in different countries
46 Wunala : Who cares? England lost, so therefore are not the best team in the comp. Get over it, you should be used to loosing by now. (and we ain't talking just
47 Post contains images Banco : Oh, do tell.
48 Rara : I see this - sad as it is for the English - as a chance for English football to tackle necessary reforms. Like Andreas said, a guy by the likes of Kli
49 Wunala : OK, you do have one of the better airlines in the world, will that make you happy?
50 Post contains images BHXFAOTIPYYC : Don't get me started on what we do and do not need to spend money on!!! What we didn't need was a new € 31 million stadium, Estadio do Algarve a.k.
51 Banco : No, I couldn't give a stuff. But I am very interested to see what part of us you really want to slag off. Go ahead. Have fun.
52 Post contains images Andreas : Yes and ALL that without any major tournament, right
53 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Exactly *cough*. Nothing happened. So we can't say the average cost was € 10 million a game!!
54 Wunala : I have a choice?
55 Banco : Don't start the bullshit. You're the one who decided to pile in and widen the whole thing by implying a general attack on the country. Either put up
56 ME AVN FAN : - I don't know whether anybody wants to slag off anything or anyone. I when reading in the morning that the England football team was not to be at th
57 Post contains images Scbriml : I don't believe the players are, or the majority of fans. The tabloid press on the other hand... Can someone please explain to me the logic of suspen
58 Banco : No-one else, no. But let me remind you: Now, it's not unreasonable to ask him to explain that particular comment.
59 Andreas : Well how does that sound: Actual Average cost per hypothetical game was € 10mn! Better?
61 ME AVN FAN : - OK, the first sentence simply is unfair, and factually wrong, and the second one unclear ..... so that an apology for the first one should be comin
62 Post contains images David L : They are superstars, every bit as good as the foreign imports. Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Terry, Cole, Crouch, Owen, etc. are just as capable
63 LTU932 : If scheduling friendlies, why not make them on Wednesdays? In Germany, the vast majority of friendlies are always played on Wednesdays to avoid havin
64 Nighthawk : you cant just come in here and make comments like that and not back them up. Either back it up and tell us what you meant by that, or retract your co
65 GDB : Where do the chip on shoulder Scots get this idea that most English think their team is more than what it is, think they have a divine right to win? I
66 Post contains images Metroliner : You have just answered your own question... Plus, being Bosnian, I'm cheering on the Croats anyway. So sorry, England... but you deserved to lose...
67 Arsenal@LHR : England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong? Average manager Technically inferior players - People keep mentioning Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Owen..
68 Post contains images Gkirk : Blah de blah, another bitter Englishman with a chip on his shoulder.
69 Post contains images David L : Come on, credit where credit's due : And just one Scot "having a go" this time. Yes, they're as good. But you're comparing your players' club form wi
70 Ncfc99 : I disagree that it is the managers fault. Sven was and is regarded as a excellent manager around europe, but as England manager he was regarded as us
71 Post contains images David L : In my defence, I expanded on that later. I meant there must be something wrong somewhere in the England setup that causes so many talented players to
72 RedArrows : Was watching the interview with Roy Keane today and I agreed with everything he said.The english team has too many egos,just like what happened to ire
73 Post contains images David L : That would make sense if the England stars were letting their egos get in the way of their club performances, too. But week in, week out, the likes o
74 Post contains images Express1 : The three lions have been replaced on the England shirt by three tampons......Its to represent the worst fucking period in English football. dave
75 LAXspotter : Another thing which I dont understand is how English fans are so fixated on the European style of play because IMO the play in South America particula
76 GDB : Touch a nerve did I GKirk? How is Scotland's Euro 08 bid going? Banco is right, outside of a few tabloids, there is a lot less expectation from the fa
77 ME AVN FAN : Sounds as if the South Americans really understand the European style of play. The style you attribute to them is what football-coaches in Europe alr
78 Oly720man : What do they actually do at England Camp? What do they do to be a bunch of players who can go from playing well in one match to looking like they've
79 Banco : I don't know about that. I got the distinct impression a lot of the time that the players just didn't do what they were asked. If you remember the co
80 Alessandro : He´s an excellent manager, but a typical Swede, good at qualifying, Sweden qualified yet again, 5th international tournament in a row, impressive, r
81 Post contains images David L : Do you know what this reminds me of? Aircraft accidents attributed to pilot error. A pilot makes a mistake and the investigators conclude it was pilo
82 Post contains links Baroque : Merger of teams, I doubt it: http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiTHENGLSH.html "The English (Flanders & Swan) The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
83 Post contains images David L : Pardon the delayed reaction but I had to go out. So poor Sven had to sit on the touchline wondering why his players had "forgotten" the game plan and
84 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : > OR, Mr Trappatoni ! : www.myvideo.de/watch/90592
85 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/e...08/nationaltrainer_aid_142965.html (German only) According to the article, Sam Allardyce, José Mourinho, Arsè
86 Banco : Of course. Those managers frequently cite examples of the players doing differently to the way they were told. Given that Eriksson is a highly succes
87 Post contains images David L : I'm surprised at you for taking that so literally . Did he encourage the midfielders to get forward to supprt Rooney during the game? I don't remembe
88 Banco : See, that's where I don't understand you. Whereas some of us want to look beyond the easy answer (sack the manager), you seem to be loading everythin
89 ZRH : It is hard to say but fact. When did the English Team win something besides 1966? They are absolutely overrated. They play a very old fashion football
90 LTU932 : This is curious. Maybe in this case it was his style that didn't fit at all. After all, under Berti Vogts Germany got to the Euro 92 final, won Euro
91 Post contains images David L : No I'm not. Bearing in mind that it was the players who were being targeted, I tried to make that clear: I only mentioned Eriksson because there was
92 Post contains images Banco : I never said he couldn't be blamed. But I can't abide the way the players are lauded for doing well, and the manager castigated for a disaster. Disap
93 Post contains images Baroque : Hmmm, never understood enough about football in spite of being born near St James park, but might it be relevant that the last England Ashes cricket
94 Banco : Ah, but the rugby team went waaaay beyond their potential. Bad luck for the footie lot too, because everyone draws the comparison with the rugby boys
95 Post contains images David L : Not you in particular. OK but "the management" (as detailed earlier) has to carry the can and either ditch them and make do with second choices or tr
96 Ncfc99 : I don't know if I agree with the above either. I am a chef. Put me into any kitchen and I can still cook. Put a footballer on a pitch and he should b
97 Ncfc99 : You are so right with that statement. But what the fuck is wrong and where the fuck it is wrong is a mystery to everyone except god.
98 Post contains images David L : And that's the point I was trying to make and got my head in my hands for! You can't just blame the manager and you can't just blame 20-odd top class
99 Post contains links and images Scbriml : Here's the real reason England lost to Croatia. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7109058.stm That's some boast!
100 Baroque : But hang on, Tony Blair at least and probably his successor knows that God is an Englishman, so what is your problem?
101 Post contains images Banco : Oh, I'd love to hear Scotsman Gordon Brown say that!
102 Post contains images Baroque : I knew that post would arrive. But I am prepared. I think that other Scotsman, Tam Dalyell o The Binns probably ensured that would be the case with h
103 Post contains images David L : Reminds me of Mel Smith in the recording studio singing something beautifully but unable to stop adding "... wank!" at the end.
104 Post contains images LTU932 : He should have sung 'Mila kuda si planina' (which roughly means 'You know my dear how we love your mountains'). But he instead sang 'Mila kura si pla
105 Alias1024 : England sure weren't helped by all the injuries they had going into the game. Look at the starting defenders they put on the pitch : Bridge, Campbell,
106 Post contains links and images LTU932 : Have I read this article correctly? http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/news-meldung/news_1966168.html (German only) The FA is interested in Bernd Schus
107 ZRH : I don't think so. The Premier League attracts so many players because you can earn by fare most money there.
108 Metroliner : Shows how much you know about football! It's not the first time it's happened... Then again, England have beaten them before. But it's not like Croat
109 David L : quote=ZRH,reply=107]I don't think so. The Premier League attracts so many players because you can earn by fare most money there.[/quote] The earnings
110 ME AVN FAN : the comments of astonishment coming from specialists in the press showed that most people around were surprised and of course that all of them do not
111 Post contains images Iwok : When ever I think of England, football and sacking in the same sentence, I always think of this. GO PATS! iwok (a former Bostonian who lived through
112 Post contains links Metroliner : You talk about Croatia as someone might talk about an actual minnow team like San Marino or something. The fact remains that Croatia, despite various
113 RayChuang : From reading this entire message thread, the reason why the English team didn't make it to Euro 2008 comes down to these factors: 1) They had a medioc
114 ME AVN FAN : No, I did/do not talk about the Croatian national football team as a "minnow team" This however IS amazing. I but rather negative for England. I simp
115 Post contains images Metroliner : Gahh, I wish it didn't. Sorry for appearing rather vitriolic in retrospect in this thread, by the way. It's an issue close to my heart. And, as a lon
116 ME AVN FAN : I would not take it that way. If France wins against Italy or Germany it is a result of a game, but if countries like Croatia, or Switzerland win aga
117 Post contains images Metroliner : True - for some people. It was more of an event this time round because England got that long-awaited wake-up call. I fully expect Croatia to win agai
118 Express1 : I think the way England played that day was rubbish,we all know that England could of done better and they know it,what made them play on the level th
119 Post contains images LTU932 : As I've said before, nobody is pulling a Croatia on Germany, much less Croatia. We'll beat them, guaranteed. I still believe Croatia may be a title c
120 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : just as people in Switzerland of course fully expect Switzerland to win against France or Germany ! -
121 YVRLTN : I have seen Harry Redknapp's name mentioned for the managers job. Hes done a fantastic job at Portsmouth for sure, which doesnt of course mean he will
122 Post contains images LTU932 : Aren't you forgetting about Peter Shilton?
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