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Contempt Of Court?  
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 728 times:

In the UK there is a high profile case about a 10 year old (Damilola Taylor) who was murdered by 4 teenagers . There is a 14 year old girl who claimed she saw it, and is being very stubborn in court.
Yesterday she had a fit, the defense lawyer called her a little girl and she went on a huff. She refused to answer any of his questions for a few minutes.
Today the lawyer questioned her as lawyers do and she said she was going home, so the judge called a recess until so he could have a word with her. From the media reports she seems to be one of the rudest children. She continusously talks back to the defense it a tone which is unacceptable for anyone in court. I think the judge should arrest her for contempt of court, , and scare some manners into her. Although you can jail some one indefinately in the UK for contempt of court, I do not think she should go to jail but just taught a lesson.
Iain

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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 717 times:

Maybe a few months in jail will teach the brat to behave.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 713 times:

And how do you know so facts of the case so clearly?? Were you there? No. There have been no images, sound bites or extracts shown or played on any of the news channels. Don't be so quick to judge.



User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 707 times:

777236ER - the transcripts have been read on the news, and they have been reports of her swearing, and her talking back to the judge and lawyers. Therefore there is plenty of information to note my opinion!
Iain


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 692 times:

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Iain


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 689 times:

Ok, fair enough Iainhol, i apologise. However, she's the only witness in a crime which has shocked Britain. What would you do? Imprison her? Punish her? She wouldn't give evidence if she were threatened.

And if she were given a conviction, any future appeal could use that fact to strengthen their appeal against a sentence.

Yes, contempt is bad, but murder is worse.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 688 times:

777236ER, the problem is she is discrediting herself by this behaviour. This type of behaviour is unacceptable especially in courts.
I think the judge, and prosicution need to have a caring word with her about the importance of her testimony. I doubt she realises that what she says, and how she acts is important to justice, and could put 4 murderers where they belong.
Iain


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 683 times:

I think the judge, and prosicution need to have a caring word with her about the importance of her testimony. I doubt she realises that what she says, and how she acts is important to justice, and could put 4 murderers where they belong.
I agree. I'm picturing a 14 year old (all too common) little bitch who feels big cos she's getting all this attention.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5520 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 672 times:

Yes, that sounds like contenpt of court to me. Of course she should not be persecuted for being a witness; but she should be held in contempt if, after being warned of the consequences of her impertinent behavior, she persists in it. Respect for the dignity of the court is of compelling importance.

I have watched judges endure remarkable tirades by litigants- and seen judges "snap," and it goes something like this:

(Bailiff, having been subtly signaled by the judge, or sinply recognizing the situation developing, has sidled up behind the big-mouthed one, the "contemnor", and then...):

Judge: "I find you in contempt of court and sentence you to five days in the charge of the County Jail. Bailiff, take your prisoner into custody."

Followed immediately by the *snap* of the cuffs going on. For these people (this is in civil court, they are not there as criminal defendants) hearing the word, "prisoner," and feeling those cuffs go on, is quite a shock. As it is intended to be.

Usually out after a few hours, "shock probation." And a whole new attitude ensues.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 662 times:

Apparently, the reason she walked out was because the line of questioning taken by the defence barrister made her afraid that it would lead to the identification of her father. When she came back, the judge questioned her on this and told her that if the defence went too far he would intervene.

I really don't see how finding her in contempt would have helped at all. The role of the court is to find the truth, not punish witnesses for the sake of it. I'm sure that the jury will have noticed her behaviour and will consider it accordingly. Sometimes intervention is not necessary, aren't we all interested in simple justice?



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 648 times:

Even if people know who her father is the media can not report any information about the family. I also doubt she is smart enough to put all those together, she seems to just be a bratty teenager. A good scare would get her assisting the case rather then causing more problems.
Iain


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 640 times:

I just spoke to a friend of mine who is a barrister and they would have to give her a warning before they could arrest her for contempt of court. Also the only thing she has done that could get her arrested was leaving the court room!
Iain


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