Kieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1980 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 1): What does the Commonwealth actually do ??? What benefit is it to members??? You get a visit from the Queen every 20-30 years and kids wave flags and pretend to love their former rulers
Commonwealth: 53 nations are members (including former Portuguese colony Mozambique) with more to come - Algeria, Sudan, Yemen, Rwanda. 1.9 billion people are Commonwealth citizens, or about 1 in every 3 people on the planet.
Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
ME AVN FAN From Algeria, joined May 2002, 13934 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6): Why does Algeria want to join the Commonwealth? I don't remember Algeria having any common History with the United Kingdom... Yeah sure
When in the late 1980ies early 1990ies, France made it difficult for Algerian tourists to visit France (financial requirements, quotas, etc) Algerian tourists alternatively went to other countries, Britain among them. And thereafter, more and more Algerian students went to British language schools or/and universities, tourists started to develop a preference for London, and many even found work in Britain. So that the U.K. is seen as a good alternative to France. The Commonwealth idea apparently comes from the idea that such a membership will also be helpful in regard to cultural, educational and economic affairs. As Algeria, together with Morocco, Tunisia, Egpyt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan now is linked up with the E.U. through bilateral treaties, to increase its links to European countries of course is interesting.
Look at Mozambique which was a Portuguese colony and now is a member of the Commonwealth. I heard that Mocambique even changed the driving from right-side to left-side.
THIS was declared by France but it in reality heavily affected short-term tourists for one or two or three weeks and even business people (small shop owners) who then shifted their shopping to Britain, Germany and Switzerland.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1793 times:
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 8): Thats it. Actually the benefits seemed rather minimal, or maybe I didnt read to carefully, can some ennumerate the important benefits of being part of the Commonwealth.
Trade, principally. The Commonwealth tends to be of more importance to the less affluent members than it is to the likes of Britain, Canada, Australia or India, because they have a strong or fairly strong voice elsewhere.
Amongst African nations, it remains extremely important, which is why you are seeing nations like Algeria, who never had any link with Britain expressing a desire to join.
For Britain itself, the origin of the empire, the Commonwealth is often viewed as something of a pain a lot of the time, particularly when it allows certain autocrats the opportunity to tell the world why it's Britain's fault that their country is collapsing and the people starving. To a lesser extent, Australia and Canada get the same treatment. Nevertheless, there remains a sense of shared heritage amongst most of the countries, for better or worse, and that Britain is no longer the centre of the organisation can only be healthy.
Most importantly of all, however, the rise of India means that the Commonwealth may actually become more important in the future rather than less, as a club for both old and new powers to be able to talk to each other without the global politicking that characterises the UN.
And one thing about the Commonwealth Games: It might be of variable quality a lot of the time, but most people probably do recognise the way that it does represent a degree of a family reunion. The Games are a lot of fun, and the nickname of the "Friendly" Games is pretty accurate.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
BigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20): those "real" actions you may have in mind would punish the people but NOT the leadership.
If by 'real actions' you mean military, that will never happen. No Commonwealth country has the political will nor the required firepower to take on Pakistan in Pakistan. Economic sanctions will only hurt the Pakistani people and not the ruling military elite.
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5141 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1667 times:
Disclaimer: Having worked in an international organization for the first part of my career, I am a cynic.
The Commonwealth is as (not) relevant as the worthless UN. Both should be cancelled ... well, at least the UN should focus on some core competencies (see, international org talk) such as UNHCR, UNICEF, and UNESCO. Everything else goes.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27547 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1646 times:
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22): The Commonwealth is as (not) relevant as the worthless UN. Both should be cancelled ... well, at least the UN should focus on some core competencies (see, international org talk) such as UNHCR, UNICEF, and UNESCO. Everything else goes.
Will you stop agreeing with me LOL......its no fun anymore
25 ME AVN FAN
: I meant economic sanctions, and cultural sanctions. Dictatorial or semi-dictatorial rulers do NOT care for such things
: That is wishful thinking. As the nation with the largest population and economy, India will require the Commonwealth to eliminate the British monarch
: So you're suggesting politicos just keep making long winded statements that have not net result? Come on. I am as against making innocents suffer but
: The Commonwealth, even if it talks up a storm and condemns like it was going out of style, will not be able to make Musharraf step down, that can only
: = Ok, what are cultural sanctions? -A.
: The Queen will not visit and get photographed with orphans and AIDS victims. That prospect itself should make Musharraf step down in a hurry. Cheers
31 ME AVN FAN
: Sanctions which will hit Musharraf may be a stop to Pakistani officials being invited to Commonwealth summits and other conferences etc, but not hind
: There does not exist many as it is. regds MEL
: = Do you think that a country dubbed by Newsweek as the most dangerous in the world (over Iraq and Afghanistan) would really care if cultural contact
: Her position as Head of the Commonwealth has nothing to do with her position as British (or indeed any other country) head of state. There's no const
: Banco: That is just nitpicking. The Queen is first and foremost the British head of state, and will always be recognized as such, before any other tit
36 ME AVN FAN
: Here we go again. If you mean the President, the answer is a DEFINITE no, but if you mean normal people then the answer is Yes-sure. In other words,
: I think that was before they joined the Commonwealth, and was purely a practical move. All of their neighbouring states drive on the left, and most o
38 ME AVN FAN
: - Algeria might find such a change interesting, not least as it would DISconvenience visiting Frenchmen !
: There is a position of Commonwealth Secretary General, who leads the Secretariat (analogous to the UN General Assembly). In fact, India takes over th
40 ME AVN FAN
: - First of all, I think that India has a very important role, possibly the leading one, in the Commonwealth anyway, with or without the Queen as nomi
: I'm sure we probably have a leading role, whatever that implies, but what I'm saying is we aren't about to play it in anyone else's shadow. Even supe
: = I have to agree. This is an extremely insightful analysis. Having worked in an international organization and having attended a Commonwealth meetin
: In an interesting turn of events (and partly due to outside pressure) Musharraf will be giving up his role as military chief of staff today. He will,
44 ME AVN FAN
: I regard artists of any kind and sportsmen as "normal" in so far as they are not politicians. No cultural sanctions have been imposed onto the countr
: = What kind of "real" democracy would happen then? Sharif and Bhutto playing it out? Only to be returned and "saved" to military rule by the next amb
46 ME AVN FAN
: - Well, you here give the answers to your question yourself. But I think Pakistan should be given a chance. Bhutto and Sharif have had time to recons
: = I was being rhetorical for a reason. I think its naive to think that they are school children who would reflect on their wayward mistakes ... "time
48 ME AVN FAN
: also adults should try to analyse what has gone wrong, not only mistakes of themselves but also negative realities of any sort and integrate the resu
: So Gen Mushy is finally Mr Mushy regds MEL
50 ME AVN FAN
: & Mr Mushy terminates emergency law in mid-December ! He in the end converts to a real democrat !