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Pakistan Barred From The Commonwealth  
User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Pakistan has been suspended from the Commonwealth because of its imposition of emergency rule, the organisation has announced after a meeting in Uganda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7108543.stm

I didn't see that one coming!

K

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

What does the Commonwealth actually do ??? What benefit is it to members??? You get a visit from the Queen every 20-30 years and kids wave flags and pretend to love their former rulers.

User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1921 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
What does the Commonwealth actually do ??? What benefit is it to members??? You get a visit from the Queen every 20-30 years and kids wave flags and pretend to love their former rulers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7105613.stm


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Ok so its a social talk shop then . I remember going to the commonwealth institute in London when I was a kid . Does it still exist???

User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1835 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Ok so its a social talk shop then

Lot like the EU then  Wink

Commonwealth: 53 nations are members (including former Portuguese colony Mozambique) with more to come - Algeria, Sudan, Yemen, Rwanda. 1.9 billion people are Commonwealth citizens, or about 1 in every 3 people on the planet.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1830 times:



Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 4):
Algeria, Sudan, Yemen, Rwanda

While Sudan (Anglo-Egyptian Sudan) and Yemen (Aden+Hadramawt) make some sense, I am astonished by formerly French Algeria (Algerie Francaise) and by formerly German-then-Belgian Rwanda .


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Why does Algeria want to join the Commonwealth? I don't remember Algeria having any common History with the United Kingdom...  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1810 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Why does Algeria want to join the Commonwealth? I don't remember Algeria having any common History with the United Kingdom... Yeah sure

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When in the late 1980ies early 1990ies, France made it difficult for Algerian tourists to visit France (financial requirements, quotas, etc) Algerian tourists alternatively went to other countries, Britain among them. And thereafter, more and more Algerian students went to British language schools or/and universities, tourists started to develop a preference for London, and many even found work in Britain. So that the U.K. is seen as a good alternative to France. The Commonwealth idea apparently comes from the idea that such a membership will also be helpful in regard to cultural, educational and economic affairs. As Algeria, together with Morocco, Tunisia, Egpyt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan now is linked up with the E.U. through bilateral treaties, to increase its links to European countries of course is interesting.
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Look at Mozambique which was a Portuguese colony and now is a member of the Commonwealth. I heard that Mocambique even changed the driving from right-side to left-side.


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1803 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
You get a visit from the Queen every 20-30 years and kids wave flags and pretend to love their former rulers.

Thats it. Actually the benefits seemed rather minimal, or maybe I didnt read to carefully, can some ennumerate the important benefits of being part of the Commonwealth.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

I was talking about past History. Your references are less than 20 years. Also I have never heard of any financial requirements for Algerian "tourists" visiting France. I think it was rather for those wanting long term stay with a "carte de séjour" to reside in France.


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1785 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
I have never heard of any financial requirements for Algerian "tourists" visiting France. I think it was rather for those wanting long term stay with a "carte de séjour" to reside in France.

THIS was declared by France but it in reality heavily affected short-term tourists for one or two or three weeks and even business people (small shop owners) who then shifted their shopping to Britain, Germany and Switzerland.
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
past History

IN "past history" there is not much common ground indeed. Until 1830, Algeria was part of the Ottoman Empire, but not of the British Empire. And thereafter came the occupation by France.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12573 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
What does the Commonwealth actually do ???

Get together every four years for some games?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
I remember going to the commonwealth institute in London when I was a kid . Does it still exist???

It was a regular school visit for me. A long time ago now.  old 

No, it doesn't exist any more. It was closed in the '90s.
http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/ArtsAndMuseum.../CommonwealthInstitute/default.asp



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1751 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
for some games?

Algeria is not interested in strange games but in educational programs, trade-links, and maybe a tiny bit of support ...


User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Pakistan should tell them to stuff it and refuse to rejoin. It's not as if all members of the club are exemplary democracies anyway ...

Cheers


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1734 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 8):
Thats it. Actually the benefits seemed rather minimal, or maybe I didnt read to carefully, can some ennumerate the important benefits of being part of the Commonwealth.

Trade, principally. The Commonwealth tends to be of more importance to the less affluent members than it is to the likes of Britain, Canada, Australia or India, because they have a strong or fairly strong voice elsewhere.

Amongst African nations, it remains extremely important, which is why you are seeing nations like Algeria, who never had any link with Britain expressing a desire to join.

For Britain itself, the origin of the empire, the Commonwealth is often viewed as something of a pain a lot of the time, particularly when it allows certain autocrats the opportunity to tell the world why it's Britain's fault that their country is collapsing and the people starving. To a lesser extent, Australia and Canada get the same treatment. Nevertheless, there remains a sense of shared heritage amongst most of the countries, for better or worse, and that Britain is no longer the centre of the organisation can only be healthy.

Most importantly of all, however, the rise of India means that the Commonwealth may actually become more important in the future rather than less, as a club for both old and new powers to be able to talk to each other without the global politicking that characterises the UN.

And one thing about the Commonwealth Games: It might be of variable quality a lot of the time, but most people probably do recognise the way that it does represent a degree of a family reunion. The Games are a lot of fun, and the nickname of the "Friendly" Games is pretty accurate.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1713 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
It was a regular school visit for me. A long time ago now.

No, it doesn't exist any more. It was closed in the '90s.
http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/ArtsAndMuseum...t.asp

My Dad took me as a kid to show me where he was from. It was quite a nice place.


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1699 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Why does Algeria want to join the Commonwealth? I don't remember Algeria having any common History with the United Kingdom...

Is this a good time to mention that France was considering joining in the 1950's?



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1687 times:



Quoting BigTom (Reply 13):
Pakistan should tell them to stuff it and refuse to rejoin. It's not as if all members of the club are exemplary democracies anyway ...

Is this another case of double standards, the oldest cliche in int'l affairs ?



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1685 times:



Quoting BigTom (Reply 13):
Pakistan should tell them to stuff it and refuse to rejoin. It's not as if all members of the club are exemplary democracies anyway ...

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I do NOT own a crystal ball but am quite sure that Pakistan will be fully re-installed --- it anyway just was suspended and not expelled

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
was quite a nice place.

so was the LTC School of English at Oxford Street / Tottenham Court Road --- but such institutions sometimes simply fade away


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4897 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

What a fantastic idea. The same move worked so well with Zimbabwe.  Yeah sure Why don't politician realize that real action needs to be taken instead of keeping on with these stupid meaningless ones?

As for the CW, I wish Canada would drop out of it, it's painful when the CW Games are on displacing my regularly scheduled programming and besides what was the last thing of note the CW did?

YOWza



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1634 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
real action needs to be taken instead of keeping on with these stupid meaningless ones?

those "real" actions you may have in mind would punish the people but NOT the leadership.


User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1617 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20):
those "real" actions you may have in mind would punish the people but NOT the leadership.

If by 'real actions' you mean military, that will never happen. No Commonwealth country has the political will nor the required firepower to take on Pakistan in Pakistan. Economic sanctions will only hurt the Pakistani people and not the ruling military elite.

Cheers


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Disclaimer: Having worked in an international organization for the first part of my career, I am a cynic.

The Commonwealth is as (not) relevant as the worthless UN. Both should be cancelled ... well, at least the UN should focus on some core competencies (see, international org talk) such as UNHCR, UNICEF, and UNESCO. Everything else goes.

Bancos comments and analysis are spot on though.

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Watch those Weapons  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1587 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22):
The Commonwealth is as (not) relevant as the worthless UN. Both should be cancelled ... well, at least the UN should focus on some core competencies (see, international org talk) such as UNHCR, UNICEF, and UNESCO. Everything else goes.

Will you stop agreeing with me LOL......its no fun anymore Big grin


25 ME AVN FAN : I meant economic sanctions, and cultural sanctions. Dictatorial or semi-dictatorial rulers do NOT care for such things
26 BarfBag : That is wishful thinking. As the nation with the largest population and economy, India will require the Commonwealth to eliminate the British monarch
27 YOWza : So you're suggesting politicos just keep making long winded statements that have not net result? Come on. I am as against making innocents suffer but
28 BigTom : The Commonwealth, even if it talks up a storm and condemns like it was going out of style, will not be able to make Musharraf step down, that can only
29 Abrelosojos : = Ok, what are cultural sanctions? -A.
30 Post contains images BigTom : The Queen will not visit and get photographed with orphans and AIDS victims. That prospect itself should make Musharraf step down in a hurry. Cheers
31 ME AVN FAN : Sanctions which will hit Musharraf may be a stop to Pakistani officials being invited to Commonwealth summits and other conferences etc, but not hind
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : There does not exist many as it is. regds MEL
33 Abrelosojos : = Do you think that a country dubbed by Newsweek as the most dangerous in the world (over Iraq and Afghanistan) would really care if cultural contact
34 Banco : Her position as Head of the Commonwealth has nothing to do with her position as British (or indeed any other country) head of state. There's no const
35 BarfBag : Banco: That is just nitpicking. The Queen is first and foremost the British head of state, and will always be recognized as such, before any other tit
36 ME AVN FAN : Here we go again. If you mean the President, the answer is a DEFINITE no, but if you mean normal people then the answer is Yes-sure. In other words,
37 JGPH1A : I think that was before they joined the Commonwealth, and was purely a practical move. All of their neighbouring states drive on the left, and most o
38 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - Algeria might find such a change interesting, not least as it would DISconvenience visiting Frenchmen !
39 BarfBag : There is a position of Commonwealth Secretary General, who leads the Secretariat (analogous to the UN General Assembly). In fact, India takes over th
40 ME AVN FAN : - First of all, I think that India has a very important role, possibly the leading one, in the Commonwealth anyway, with or without the Queen as nomi
41 BarfBag : I'm sure we probably have a leading role, whatever that implies, but what I'm saying is we aren't about to play it in anyone else's shadow. Even supe
42 Post contains links Abrelosojos : = I have to agree. This is an extremely insightful analysis. Having worked in an international organization and having attended a Commonwealth meetin
43 Post contains links Viaggiare : In an interesting turn of events (and partly due to outside pressure) Musharraf will be giving up his role as military chief of staff today. He will,
44 ME AVN FAN : I regard artists of any kind and sportsmen as "normal" in so far as they are not politicians. No cultural sanctions have been imposed onto the countr
45 Abrelosojos : = What kind of "real" democracy would happen then? Sharif and Bhutto playing it out? Only to be returned and "saved" to military rule by the next amb
46 ME AVN FAN : - Well, you here give the answers to your question yourself. But I think Pakistan should be given a chance. Bhutto and Sharif have had time to recons
47 Abrelosojos : = I was being rhetorical for a reason. I think its naive to think that they are school children who would reflect on their wayward mistakes ... "time
48 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : also adults should try to analyse what has gone wrong, not only mistakes of themselves but also negative realities of any sort and integrate the resu
49 Post contains images HAWK21M : So Gen Mushy is finally Mr Mushy regds MEL
50 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : & Mr Mushy terminates emergency law in mid-December ! He in the end converts to a real democrat !
51 Post contains images LAXspotter : he was crying, how sad
52 Post contains images HAWK21M : I wonder why.... for loosing the uniform or for the future. regds MEL
53 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - Losing the uniform for highranking officers usually is a personal tragedy !
54 Post contains images HAWK21M : How trusty is the current Chief of armed forces regds MEL
55 ME AVN FAN : Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 54): How trusty is the current Chief of armed forces Smile Trusty to/for whom ??? He apparently is a close confidante of Mr Mus
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