Skywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 1): Down in Santa Monica, there is, and I quote, a homeless guy holding a sign saying "I'm not going to lie, I need money for booze and drugs".
Saw a derivative of this in Austin last week. It said "Why Lie? I need beer."
There is this one guy who has a flip chart of cardboard signs. I like his one that says "Family Killed by Ninjas-Need Money for Karate Lessons." There was this other guy in the area who's sign said "Need Fuel For Learjet"
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
Honestly, most homeless are there by choice so I say don't help them.
Choice meaning drug or alcohol dependency and not willing to get (free) help, refusal to take medication for psychological problems, or any number of other personal choices to put them on the streets. No matter what the lefties say, in the USA if you want help, you can get help to get back on your feet.
The worst are the pretend veterans..
I can go on hour long rants about the "homeless," but I won't.
NeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1962 times:
I wouldn't have given her money. If I'm going to give money to homeless people, I want a laugh in return. I've seen the amusing signs listed above in Toronto and I'll toss them some pocket change. The sob stories I could care less about.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3799 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5): I don't think she was lying, we thought it was interesting how she limited herself while going hungry, supposedly, as she may have weighed about 250 lbs.
So? She's big, homeless and a vegetarian. In my experience, vegetarianism isn't about not letting yourself eat meat, it's not like when someone goes on a diet and stops eating carbohydrates. For whatever reason, she does not agree with eating meat, and that's her decision, homeless or not.
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
NorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1979 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1862 times:
we can thank the ACLU for at least part of the homelessness problem, they won a major court case back in the 60s or 70s that basically threw open the doors to mental institutions, because people were no longer allowed to be kept there against their will, those people, with no ability to hold down a job and support themselves, as society requires, became a percentage of the homeless population.
I think we can also thank family dysfunctionality for another percentage, people have bad turns in life, they've burned their bridges with their kids, brothers, sisters, parents, so they're forced to live in the street.
as for the original question, a 250 pound vegetarian homeless woman? she's not getting any of my money. then again, i generally dont give money to the homeless.
Yes, I'd like to see airbus go under so Boeing can have their customers!
Flipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
I dont tend to give the homeless money, partly because I dont have much myslef but because, like previously stated i dont want to hear the sob stories. There is a guy in bath who dresses up in different outfits that im pretty sure he has made himself (pirate, native american etc.) and I have given him some change before.
A few weeks ago I was stood behind a homeless guy in a shop and he had the loveliest dog with him, a Yorkshire bull terrier that when I stroked rolled over and showed its tummy, the man was buying dog food and he was about 20p short and he walked off and started to cry, I was quite touched and so bought him the dog food and took it out to him outside.
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7992 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
Quoting Doona (Reply 11): She's big, homeless and a vegetarian. In my experience, vegetarianism isn't about not letting yourself eat meat, it's not like when someone goes on a diet and stops eating carbohydrates. For whatever reason, she does not agree with eating meat, and that's her decision, homeless or not.
Most vegetarians are vegetarians out of moralic reasons. I don't see why a person shouldn't share this point of view if he or she is homeless.
As for her weight problem. Perhaps she hasn't been homeless for long.
Whether you give or not is a very personal decision, but in this particular case, your reasons are a bit superficial.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
Quoting Doona (Reply 11): she does not agree with eating meat, and that's her decision, homeless or not.
When you claim hunger, have something to back it up. If you are REALLY hungry, you accept whatever food is given to you.
Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 14): A few weeks ago I was stood behind a homeless guy in a shop and he had the loveliest dog with him, a Yorkshire bull terrier that when I stroked rolled over and showed its tummy, the man was buying dog food and he was about 20p short and he walked off and started to cry, I was quite touched and so bought him the dog food and took it out to him outside.
Have seen this as well, a homeless guy whose only reason for living was to keep taking care of his dog. I would have done the same as you.
Express1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
Some of those homless arn't really homeless,they are on the streets every day in rags beggin for cash,at the end of the day they pack up,walk down a ally,pack away their rags in a bag and head for the car park where they have a expensive car and head home o a house,a wife and kids,this was shown a while ago on a uk tv programme called Roger cook investigates. I never had and never will give money or food to the homless,why do you think the Government is there for and the state benefit,which is also there to be used,so use it.
Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1612 times:
I personally don't give to the homeless. Our systems means they have various benefits for them to fall on before they reach the state of homelessness, wether it be the free medal care you get on the NHS to treat mental or physical problems, or just benifits.#
Some homeless are there by their own fault, such as being an alcoholic, drug addict etc, these are the ones I certainly don't help, as harsh as this may sound, if they got themselves down their, they can pick themselves back up.
Ofcourse this is not to tar everyone with the same brush, I'm sure there are many homeless people who held stable jobs etc and just happened to slip up or those that can't help being homeless.
However, bearing in mind their are over 50 different types of benefits, numerous charities and money raising events (such as Red Nose day), , there is usually atleast one form of money people can get in this society. Heck, you can get money for being too fat to work now so I doubt they'll strugle to find a benifit to suit them.
Failing that, there's that thing called a job that lots of them never seem to be able to hold down, in my eyes, if you need a job bad enough, you'll do anything, no mater how much you dislike it or how low paid it is, you'd be surprised how much you can achieve when you've got no other option and all hope rests on this one thing.
Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3831 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
I feel sorry for real homeless but there are way too many phoneys out there...and just plain ungrateful bastards! A few weeks ago I was out with some work colleagues and we came across a panhandler. One, rather too generous colleague gave him a $5 and the bastard then asked in the snootiest tone if he had another for him!!!
Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 13): Never give money to a panhandler. If they claim it's for food, offer to buy them soup and a sandwich. If they turn it down, then you know damn nicely that they want the money for booze or drugs.
For about a six month period my father used to commute to London by train. At Waterloo station he saw the same guy each day with a dog and a sign asking for food money...whilst he was swigging on a can of Carlsberg Special Brew One of my father's meetings got cancelled at short notice and to sort of piss him off he decided to take the guy to Pret-A-Manger, a sandwich shop. He seemed appreciative and then asked if my father had any money for dog food...to which my father went to a Spar shop type place nearby and bought some cans of Pedigree Chum. Unfortunately he forgot to buy the guy a can opener and the guy lambasted him the following morning
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