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Does Hawaii Deserve A BCS Bowl Game?  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

That is the question being asked on ESPN.com's College Football page and as a lifelong U of H football fan and season ticket holder, I find the results fascinating.
With over 44,000 votes counted, the overwhelming majority says yes!! Only residents of two states (Louisiana and Arkansas) say no. What I found even more interesting was that voters in all states except the SE corner of the U.S. voted yes by over 60% and most states with small populations voted yes by margins greater than 75%!
It all doesn't matter really, but I found it interesting. If Hawaii wins it's last regular season game this weekend against U of Washington, they should be a lock for a BCS game. I really don't care where it is, or who we play, all I know is that I am going!
It will be a dream!
How do you guys feel? Is UH deserving? Why or why not?

Aloha,
HALFA


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1326 times:

Absolutely, especially with their willingness to pursue challenging games out of conference. Not their fault for educing collective fear from the state of Michigan. Its always an accomplishment to go undefeated, and they're coming off a big win over a very good Boise State team. It hasn't all been decisive or pretty this year for the Warriors, but they've been getting the job done.


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User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1320 times:

Personally, I think the whole college bowl/playoff/whatever it is SUCKS!! It's time they did away with it and went to a playoff system like the rest of college sports. Take your D-I schools, divide into conferences and have a normal playoff/championship game. It just makes it fair for everyone and the little guy has a chance to win post-season and maybe get a championship.

User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 1):
Absolutely, especially with their willingness to pursue challenging games out of conference.

Their non-conference schedule included Northern Colorado, UNLV, and Charleston Southern...they might want to pursue a little more challenging schedule.

That being said, Boise State showed the nation last year that a great WAC team definitely belongs in the BCS: the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma was hands down the best bowl game of the season.

Right now, all indications are showing Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl against LSU, so looks like Hawaii will get their BCS shot.

Good luck to the Warriors

[Edited 2007-11-28 04:01:36]


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1311 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 3):

That being said, Boise State showed the nation last year that a great WAC team definitely belongs in the BCS: the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma was hands down the best bowl game of the season.

Not only the best game of the season - it was literally one of the best games of college football i had ever seen. Those WAC teams bring a different mantra to the BCS - they really have nothing to lose, so they can be much, much more entertaining to watch than our old college football standbys like Oklahoma...who have plenty to lose by using the statue of liberty play.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

They deserve a BCS spot for winning so many games, but not one of the top bowls. Those spots are for teams that played other challenging teams during the season.

User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

You have to commend them for going undefeated to date - that is a tough task. However, I just don't think their schedule was tough enough. They only played 1 ranked team the whole year. If small conference schools want to have a shot, they need to schedule tougher non-conference games. Out of the teams in the top-10 in the BCS standings, almost everyone has played 4-5 ranked teams with the exception of Kansas (2) and Oklahoma (3). I think all those teams deserve a shot first.

User currently offlineGunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Does Hawaii deserve a BCS bowl game?

Yes.

Good luck, Hawaii.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Cheerios belong in bowls; the University of Hawaii doesn't.

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

June Jones is a hell of a coach. Considering Hawaii never won their conference outright until this year, and you examine that they only have a $50,000 recruiting budget (that’s NOT a typo, folks), and you further consider what an aggressive team they are on offense and, as we saw against Boise St, defense, I’d say they absolutely have as much right as anyone else to be there.

Kansas was ranked #2 for crying out loud only because they were in a “power” conference but they hadn’t played anyone either until getting beat by Mizzou. Don’t discriminate against Hawaii just because of being in the WAC. I would LOVE to see them in a BCS bowl for two reasons:

1) They can play with anyone.

2) It’s GOOD FREAKING FOOTBALL, that’s why!! Do you want to watch two hack teams slide into a BCS game that each have at least two losses? I’d rather watch Colt Brennan take it downtown and watch the Warriors do their dance. That’s what bowl games are about, right?


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1263 times:



Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
Only residents of two states (Louisiana and Arkansas) say no.

I would venture to guess that the reason why Louisiana residents don't want Hawaii in the BCS is that Hawaii, assuming they beat Washington this weekend, would likely be slotted into the Sugar Bowl. Louisiana residents would like to see LSU in that game.....thing is, if LSU beats Tennessee, we'd likely get LSU v Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl.

Btw, the line on LSU/Tennessee is LSU +7.5.....the way LSU's looked recently, no way I take LSU and give 7.5.

Btw #2, Hawaii should be in the BCS should they beat Washington.....lose, then no they shouldn't.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11677 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

First off: Is there any team not going to a Bowl game?

Second: There should be a playoff. College football is the only sport I can think of right off where the champion is decided by someone other than the teams. I know coaches have some say in it, but how about a legitimate play off system? If there needs to be Bowl games, let the loser have the title of GEICO.com Bowl or Mead Paper Bowl until the two best teams face each other in the Motel 6 College Bowl or whatever.

That's another thing: Sponsorships of bowl games.... But that is another thread.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1255 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 11):
Is there any team not going to a Bowl game?

Notre Dame

Next question.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1253 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
Notre Dame

Next question.

I just want to savor this moment.

Notre Dame is NOT going to a bowl game.

Ahhh.... the moment of zen for the day!  Smile


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1249 times:



Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
Does Hawaii Deserve A BCS Bowl Game?

Well I would argue that they have earned the right to play in a BCS bowl game. Nobody deserves anything in my book as it must be earned. What they don't have the right to play for is the national title even though they will probably finish the year undefeated.

I know you have already said this point in past threads but it bears repeating for those folks out there that hollered last year that Boise State should have played OSU for the title (they probably would have beaten those slow ass Buckeyes as well) but they didn't earn the right to be in that game based on their strength of schedule compared to the so-called "Power Conferences."

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
What I found even more interesting was that voters in all states except the SE corner of the U.S. voted yes by over 60% and most states with small populations voted yes by margins greater than 75%!

As unscientific as that poll is those numbers don't surprise me coming from the land of the SEC. You take Hawaii with their current crop of players (forget the recruiting budget for now) and you plop them down in the SEC and you'll have a sub-.500 record. Boise State has shown that on any given day a mid-major team can beat the old school powerhouse teams but what hasn't been shown is the ability to play with the big boys week in and week out in a tough conference like the SEC.



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User currently offlineWingnut767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Yes they do. They played within the rules and framework with which is provided to them by the NCAA. They should be allocated a spot. The fact that the voters have not put them higher in the polls just adds to the cry for playoffs.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1236 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 3):
Their non-conference schedule included Northern Colorado, UNLV, and Charleston Southern...they might want to pursue a little more challenging schedule.

They were supposed to go play at Michigan. Lloyd Carr got cold feet and decided to get out of the game. Who did they schedule instead? Appalachian State! Haha. Michigan State also paid 250k to cancel their game out in Hawaii this season. Hawaii then tried to schedule USC, who also wanted no part.

Like I said, UH pursued a strong non-conference schedule. Whether other teams reciprocated, thats another matter.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Another thing to consider is that Hawai'i has been winning on the road the past few years, which for us has always been a huge challenge.

They deserve alot of credit for winning on the road when you factor in the amount of travel they do and the number of timezones they have to cross.....LaTech was a 5 (yes FIVE) hour difference from Hawai'i (over 4,000 miles).

University of Hawai'i teams in all sports travel more than pretty much any toher sports teams in the US. Our perrenially excellent women's volleyball team is currently in KENTUCKY for its NCAA "regional" tournament!!!

If teams are going to complain about traveling to Hawai'i as a reason to not play us in home/away series (Florida  Wink ) then they should give the UH teams extra credit for traveling as much as they do (over 50 hours in the air for the football team this year!!)

GO WARRIORS!!!!

We have EARNED a BCS bid if we beat Washington. New Orleans, here I come!!


The entire state is behind you guys like you wouldn't believe!! I can't wait til Saturday.....I'll be there on the 50 yard line....thanks Uncle!!

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1220 times:



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
You take Hawaii with their current crop of players (forget the recruiting budget for now) and you plop them down in the SEC and you'll have a sub-.500 record.

Have you seen Hawaii play? These guys can play with anyone IMHO.

Speed like that of the SEC, coaching talent arguably better than at least half the SEC, hungry kids who want to play. This is a purely speculative argument from both sides really.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1215 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):
They were supposed to go play at Michigan. Lloyd Carr got cold feet and decided to get out of the game. Who did they schedule instead? Appalachian State! Haha. Michigan State also paid 250k to cancel their game out in Hawaii this season. Hawaii then tried to schedule USC, who also wanted no part.

Us folks at Florida aren't pussies like the Michigan, Michigan State, and USC teams that dodged playing Hawaii. We've got you right off the bat next year and we aren't cancelling.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):
Like I said, UH pursued a strong non-conference schedule.

I'm more concerned about the weakness of their conference schedule.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 17):
If teams are going to complain about traveling to Hawai'i as a reason to not play us in home/away series (Florida )

Uhmmm....we're paying you a tidy sum to come to Gainesville. There is no reason why we should go out to the islands to play you.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 17):
they should give the UH teams extra credit for traveling as much as they do (over 50 hours in the air for the football team this year!!)

Nobody made you all live in the islands. Don't hold your decisions against us and surely don't expect extra points because of it.  Wink



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1202 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 3):
Boise State showed the nation last year that a great WAC team definitely belongs in the BCS



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 3):
Boise State showed the nation last year that a great WAC team definitely belongs in the BCS: the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma was hands down the best bowl game of the season.

 checkmark  I agree. That backhand toss at the end of the Fiesta Bowl was the best trick play I have ever seen in a bowl game. What a shocker! I believe Boise State was one of the only two undefeated teams last year, right??

Quoting Pope (Reply 8):
Cheerios belong in bowls; the University of Hawaii doesn't.

 rotfl  Somebody has woken up on the wrong side of the bed??

As for the BCS, I agree: The BCS should be thrown out completely. The NCAA needs to come up with a playoff bracket for all conference champions and then follow what the NFL does. The BCS is just plain silly.... Just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1197 times:



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
Nobody made you all live in the islands. Don't hold your decisions against us and surely don't expect extra points because of it.

Ummm......I don't remember being asked where I should be born. I didn't "choose" to be born here. Neither did my parents, grandparents, or great grandparents. Not that I don't feel VERY lucky to live here and intend to do so for the rest of my life.

To deny the amount of travel UH teams have to endure, and to not admire their success just a little bit more because of it is pretty lame IMHO. Try playing a volleyball/soccer/football game/match at 4 am your time after flying a red eye the night before.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
Uhmmm....we're paying you a tidy sum to come to Gainesville. There is no reason why we should go out to the islands to play you.

ESPN was offering equally large sums for teams to play us this year (here, there or anywhere) and no one bit.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
I'm more concerned about the weakness of their conference schedule.

Nobody is claiming the WAC is a power conference....just like the SEC, PAC-10, Big 12, etc there are a few really good teams at the top (Hawai'i, Boise St, Fresno) a few teams in the middle (Nevada, SJSU, NMSU) and a few terrible teams (Idaho, Utah St, LaTech). This year (and last year too) I think Hawai'i would have done well in a BCS Conference.

GO WARRIORS!!!

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1183 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 17):
We have EARNED a BCS bid if we beat Washington.

They earn the right to a BCS game if they beat a 4-8 team? What's wrong with that statement?

Quoting Slider (Reply 18):
These guys can play with anyone IMHO

Just play with Someone! They only played 2 teams with winning records.

Sorry, just don't think they belong. But hey, discussions like this is what makes sports great.

I agree the BCS sucks, but it is better than what we had before. At least now you are guaranteed a #1 vs. #2 matchup for a championship. A playoff would be great, but I think it is a long way off unfortunately - if ever.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Quoting Lobster (Reply 2):
It's time they did away with it and went to a playoff system like the rest of college sports.

agree

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 3):
Their non-conference schedule included Northern Colorado, UNLV, and Charleston Southern...they might want to pursue a little more challenging schedule.

They tried. Michigan State cancelled their game here and paid UH a $250,000 CXL fee. Michigan weaseled out of their game too, and USC and Indiana wouldn't have us at their place. N. Colorado, and Charleston Southern were all that was left at such late notice. A 10 game (5 home game) schedule would not sit well with season ticket holders like myself.
Don't knock UNLV. They crushed UTAH which crushed UCLA which beat CAL which beat Tennessee which beat Kentucky which beat LSU! That means the Warriors are better than LSU!  

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 4):
Not only the best game of the season - it was literally one of the best games of college football i had ever seen.

agree

Quoting COrocks (Reply 6):
If small conference schools want to have a shot, they need to schedule tougher non-conference games.

see above

Quoting Pope (Reply 8):
Cheerios belong in bowls; the University of Hawaii doesn't.

Not even the Poulan Weed-Eater Bowl?

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
I'd rather watch Colt Brennan take it downtown and watch the Warriors do their dance. That's what bowl games are about, right?

Me too! Hawaii football is very entertaining this year!

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
Louisiana residents would like to see LSU in that game.....thing is, if LSU beats Tennessee, we'd likely get LSU v Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl.

And do Louisiana residents (and LSU fans) not want to play Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
You take Hawaii with their current crop of players (forget the recruiting budget for now) and you plop them down in the SEC and you'll have a sub-.500 record.

Speculative and highly unlikely. Hawaii would beat ANY SEC team at home this year. On the flip side, you plop any SEC team into the WAC and have them play games at Fresno State, Honolulu, or the Smurf Turf in Boise and they would all be sub-500 easily.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):
They were supposed to go play at Michigan. Lloyd Carr got cold feet and decided to get out of the game. Who did they schedule instead? Appalachian State! Haha. Michigan State also paid 250k to cancel their game out in Hawaii this season. Hawaii then tried to schedule USC, who also wanted no part.

Add Indiana to this, as well as Virginia and Texas in previous seasons.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 17):
Another thing to consider is that Hawai'i has been winning on the road the past few years, which for us has always been a huge challenge.

Yes

Quoting Slider (Reply 18):
Have you seen Hawaii play? These guys can play with anyone IMHO.

I agree. I will admit, I'm a little concerned with Hawaii ending up in the Sugar Bowl if they beat Washington and then facing LSU. I'm not so concerned at the prospect of playing LSU but wouldn't this be a "home" game for them?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
Us folks at Florida aren't pussies like the Michigan, Michigan State, and USC teams that dodged playing Hawaii.

Add Indiana, Virginia, and Texas to your list

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
I'm more concerned about the weakness of their conference schedule.

And the mighty SEC has Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Mississippi State, which just goes to show that every conference has their bad teams.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 22):
They earn the right to a BCS game if they beat a 4-8 team? What's wrong with that statement?

No, they earn the right to a BCS game by beating a 4-8 team and capping off an undefeated regular season. Something that NO other DIV-1A team can say. Yes, there were cupcakes on Hawaii's schedule this year. Fact is, we BEAT our cupcakes! LSU lost at home to an unranked opponent. USC lost at home to an unranked opponent. Ohio State lost at home to an unranked opponent, as did several other teams this year. And let's not forget how the season started back in September with Michigan losing AT HOME to Appalachian State! If Hawaii beats Washington, I say Hawaii has earned their way to the big dance.

Go WARRIORS!!

HALFA

[Edited 2007-11-28 17:22:36]


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User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1149 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 23):
Yes, there were cupcakes on Hawaii's schedule this year. Fact is, we BEAT our cupcakes! LSU lost at home to an unranked opponent. USC lost at home to an unranked opponent. Ohio State lost at home to an unranked opponent,

I would hardly call a 8-4 Arkansas and a 9-5 Illinois cupcakes. I call Idaho, N. Colorado and Utah State cupcakes.

The combined record of Hawaii's opponents is 47-81. That is hardly BCS worthy.


25 HALFA : If you are ranked in the top 5 and you lose at HOME to unranked opponents, I would argue that THAT is hardly BCS worthy. If you want to fault Hawaii'
26 DeltaGator : Doubtful. Like I said earlier...on any given day any team can beat anybody but let's see them do it over the long haul. You've lost any and all credi
27 USAFHummer : Everything's relative...but the bad teams in the SEC (which this year are Vandy, who was just one win away from being bowl eligible, and Ole Miss), a
28 Post contains images HALFA : And I agree with you completely. That's not the point I was trying to make. The point I am trying to make is that it would be mighty difficult for an
29 DeltaGator : When you caveat it with THIS then yes, I see your point and would agree. THIS season with the team you have Hawaii would probably do pretty good in t
30 Post contains images ONTFlyer : Does Hawaii deserve to be in a BCS bowl game? ABSOLUTELY. For those of you who have not seen Hawaii play this year either in person or on television (
31 Aloha73G : The WAC Conference Game Schedule was released very late because ESPN was trying as hard as they could (offering $700,000) to schedule an "A" team vs.
32 Post contains links DeltaGator : This thread wasn't about Florida but since you opened the can of worms I feel obliged to beat you down with some numbers....and I've already sai din
33 Pope : Though the luster has worn off in recent years (years after the matches were scheduled) I'd say that scheduling both Miami and FSU next year is a dir
34 ONTFlyer : And I'm not trying to make about them either. I'm just using the Gators for a point of reference just like you did. I never said you didn't The whole
35 AirframeAS : Uhh, yes they can...with MONEY! I believe either Army or Navy cancelled their game with the University of Washington a few years back and paid UW mon
36 ONTFlyer : Ok fine, anything is possible and everyone and everything has its price but my point is this, look at USC's non-conference games this year, who were
37 Aloha73G : No need for NCAA approval. There is a "Hawai'i Exemption" which allows teams an extra game (used to be 12, now 13) if they play Hawai'i. -Aloha!
38 Ha763 : There is no question now that Hawaii should be in a BCS bowl game. They have earned it by beating UW and finishing undefeated.
39 Aloha73G : Stan Sheriff Center tomorrow at 3pm for the "Party." I'll be there!!!! Aloha Stadium was ROCKING tonight. I'm in shock/awe/euphoria. The 1st and 3rd
40 Kalakaua : No kidding. Great game as always. But UH has to quit pulling off these last minute miracles. Almost gave me a heart-attack. UH deserves that BCS game
41 DL021 : Speaking as a resident of the southeast..... Hell Yes they deserve a BCS bid. They're undefeated in regular play in big time college ball. June Jones
42 767Lover : Most definitely, especially when you consider what they've been able to accomplish on such a meager recruiting budget. I know people who have spent mo
43 Nonrevman : Hawaii has now officially won all of their games and is the only undefeated team left. I think that qualifies for a BCS bid. In a very unpredictable N
44 Post contains links Duff44 : If Hawaii is in the top 12 of the BCS, by rule they MUST go to a BCS bowl. They were 12th going into their game last night, and I can' see them droppi
45 767Lover : I'm not understanding why Kansas would be the at-large and not Missouri.
46 Us330 : You know what, considering how chaotic this college football season has been, I say not only do you give Hawaii a shot in the BCS, you let them play i
47 USAFHummer : It will probably be Illinois, because the Rose Bowl really wants to preserve the Big 10/Pac-10 matchup whenever possible, so it'll be USC vs. Illinoi
48 Duff44 : That's entirely possible, but the Fiesta is hoping to take OU and a Big 12 at-large team to get a big crowd. They're not going to want OU/Mizzou part
49 JetBlueGuy2006 : I think the Rose Bowl will take Illinois because it has traditionally been a Big Ten/Pac-Ten match up and since Illinois seems to fit for that scenar
50 767Lover : I was referring to regular season play.
51 Ouboy79 : Obviously this is a lame shot at Oklahoma. OU has no excuse for losing those games. However, neither of these teams were in the bottom 25 and both ar
52 N776AU : Hawaii has played some srong defenses like Northern Colorado, Charleston Southern, and Idaho. I think Georgia might pull off the miracle and play bet
53 Slider : Ah, yes the infamous strength of win argument. Not that I disagree, but a W is a W in everyone’s mind but the subjective BCS-pollnik. You must have
54 Tom in NO : Agreed...this game could very well end up being the ultimate football definition of the term "track meet"... Tom at MSY
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