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Is It Possible To Go To Heaven After Suicide?  
User currently offlineCumulonimbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

In any Religion is it possible to go to "Heaven" after suicide? I was wondering this for about a week any people versed in any religion such as Hindu, Islam, and Christianity feel free to chime in.


Mike

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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1559 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

As far as I know, ALL religions consider suicide a mortal sin.

Marc


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

It must be possible in the Mormon religion. According to my relatives (on the wife's side) and neighbors, the Mormons have three levels of heaven, and the only ones that go to hell are the people that leave the Mormon religion. Heck who knows, never talked with anyone that been to Heaven, but a couple from Hell (Hell, MI that is).

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3218 times:
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Except the suicide bombers who have all the virgins waiting for them!


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3216 times:



Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 1):
As far as I know, ALL religions consider suicide a mortal sin.

I don't think so. In Japan, suicide is not socially unacceptible, so clearly there is no religious injunction there. And anyway, the concept of "mortal" or irredeemable sin is purely a Catholic notion.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 1):
As far as I know, ALL religions consider suicide a mortal sin.

That jives with what I've heard as well. Now, speaking as a Christian, God has the final say in who enters Heaven and who does not. So it might be possible.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3156 times:
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
That jives with what I've heard as well. Now, speaking as a Christian, God has the final say in who enters Heaven and who does not. So it might be possible.

That is "IF" there is in fact a so called after life.



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User currently offlineEmirates773er From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Suicide is prohibited within Islam, infact I find suicide bombings to go against the Islam as well.

In Christianity it is described as a 'moral sin' by Saint Augustine, although not condemned by the church in all cases like in that of a rape victim killing herself.



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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

In the Christian context, 'mortal sin' is very much 'catholic' term. That said, it doesn't mean that the concept is completely absent in protestant circles, but protestantism has traditionally had less firm categorizations or 'values' of sins.

In any case, growing up in a more or less moderate protestant context, I never, ever heard anyone say that suicide was a 'damning' sin. The first time I ever even heard that idea was when studying Hamlet, in grade 13(!)

Religion is a very complicated thing (as much as people of both 'sides' tend to oversimplify it), and you should realize that a complicated ethical question is going to have complicated, nuanced answers (if any!) First of all, not all religions even have a concept of an afterlife. Also, importantly, most religions that do believe in an afterlife, the attainment of which is linked to moral action, also entertain (to varying extents) the importance of mitigating factors that may take some of the moral agency out of the hands of the 'offendor'. I'm not a scholar of catholicism, but I'm sure that somewhere in the catechisms there are exemptions to the mortal qualification of suicide, i.e., when commited under inhuman suffering, etc.

JL



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

If you think so, then yes. It is not what others think, it is what you think. Others may have their opinions and, who knows, they may be wrong in the end, anyway. No one will ever know.

What you believe is what it will be at the end of the day. It is not for others to decide.



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User currently offlineG5ive From El Salvador, joined Oct 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3119 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
and the only ones that go to hell are the people that leave the Mormon religion.

Oddly enough that feels like a gang rule. Big grin "The only way of ever leaving a gang is by death"



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

A person who attempts or commits suicide is most often not in "their right mind" ie...severe depression, extreme emotional distress, anger. We all know God is merciful and takes into consideration our situation and circumstances. If mercy can be shown to murders and such (1Corinthians 6:9-11) surely He will take into count the severe emotional stress and any other factors that might cause this tragedy. Our hope lies in the hands of our merciful heavenly father "who forgives in a large way" Isaiah 55:7

User currently offlineBeefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

My niece's husband killed himself last Spring.

We went to the funeral (at a Catholic church) and the Priest talked several times during the Mass about him being in Heaven, that we will all see him again in Heaven, etc....

I know my wife and I discussed it at length on the way home as we were both under the impression (having both grown up Catholic and still active) that suicide was a Sin and that you would not go to Heaven.

Maybe the Priest was just trying to make everyone feel better??? I don't know...


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3077 times:



Quoting Beefer (Reply 12):
that suicide was a Sin and that you would not go to Heaven.

Maybe the Priest was just trying to make everyone feel better??? I don't know...

So sorry for your lost.

But the priest was right in my humble opinion.

As I said before "Our hope lies in the hands of our merciful heavenly father "who forgives in a large way" Isaiah 55:7".


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3069 times:



Quoting Beefer (Reply 12):
We went to the funeral (at a Catholic church) and the Priest talked several times during the Mass about him being in Heaven, that we will all see him again in Heaven, etc....

I know my wife and I discussed it at length on the way home as we were both under the impression (having both grown up Catholic and still active) that suicide was a Sin and that you would not go to Heaven.

Maybe the Priest was just trying to make everyone feel better??? I don't know...

God is the one who judges our hearts. Not people and not churches. For something to be sinful involves a deliberate, free will decision to turn away from God. I have yet to encounter either a suicide vicitm or someone who threatens or attempts suicide who met this criteria, and as such their ability to make a free-will decision is comprimised by depression or some other circumstance which clouds their judgment.

That being said, I have a hard time believing that a God of mercy and forgiveness would condemn someone for actions beyond their control.

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Great answers by TACAA320. God's grace is sufficient to cover everything except a blasphemous lifestyle. Even though I was taught while growing up that suicide was getting your ticket punched for hell, I now believe that if a Christian thinks it is a viable option, however warped that thinking may be, God's forgiveness will cover it...activated, of course, by the redeeming blood of Jesus Christ.


II Cor. 4:17-18
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8677 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

I like your response Sleekjet. I believe that also. Many times one wants to escape the horrible life he or she is living in order to be in a better place. I belive you will go to heaven if you decide to commit suicide.

Hunter



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User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

I just want to emphasize that I no way would condone suicide or counsel someone that direction, but should it happen, grace is there. I'm happy to leave such conundrums to an omniscient God.


II Cor. 4:17-18
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

I have heard of a story of a woman who went to her Jewish Rabbi and asked him if here husband, who had committed suicide would go to hell. The Rabbi replied no, for a person who takes their own life, must have been mental ill.
I would say it would be a sin to take one's own life if in a free will decision, are of the age of reason, and such as choosing to commit a terror act (9/11). Even then, I question the existence of hell, but perhaps there are different levels of heaven. To me Hell is a concept created by man to control others not to do bad things.


User currently offlineBezoar From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 807 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2955 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
Now, speaking as a Christian, God has the final say in who enters Heaven and who does not.

Yes, this is exactly right.

I believe that most Christian theologians would say that sin is sin, and while the Bible characterizes some sin as being 'abominable,' the only sin that is considered unforgivable is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Therefore all else is considered forgivable, including suicide.



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User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2896 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Except the suicide bombers who have all the virgins waiting for them!

If your talking about the supposed quote from The Qu'ran which supposedly says suicide bombers will have 72 virgins waiting for them, then your mistaken. The Qu'ran says no such thing it was actually misinterpreted and later it was found that the Qu'ran said that martyrs would get 72 white grapes NOT virgins.

In Islam if one does commit suicide on his own or with the intent to hurt civilians (through the use of explosives) then he or she will receive punishment in the hereafter.

Regards!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2888 times:



Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 20):
The Qu'ran says no such thing it was actually misinterpreted and later it was found that the Qu'ran said that martyrs would get 72 white grapes NOT virgins.

Wow, I bet those terrorist were pissed off once they realized they killed themselves and thousands of others over some stupid grapes. Were they sour grapes?  Silly

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
It must be possible in the Mormon religion. According to my relatives (on the wife's side) and neighbors, the Mormons have three levels of heaven, and the only ones that go to hell are the people that leave the Mormon religion. Heck who knows, never talked with anyone that been to Heaven, but a couple from Hell (Hell, MI that is).

Interesting post.
I lost a friend earlier this year who committed suicide. He came from a Mormon family but swore up & down that he didn't believe in that belief system. I think it is awful that he abandoned his two young daughters, wife and those who loved him the most.

Cumulonimbus:
Suicide is a cowardly act so don't do it.
When you are feeling down, turn off the grunge/emo and listen to some happy music or go plane spotting to uplift your spirits.  Smile



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User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2873 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
Wow, I bet those terrorist were pissed off once they realized they killed themselves and thousands of others over some stupid grapes. Were they sour grapes? Silly

Terrorists give pain and death to innocent civilians so therefore these terrorists would be punished in the hereafter according to Islam. They (to my knowledge) would not be granted paradise.

The Qu'ran says :

... that whoever took a life, unless it be for murder or for spreading disorder on earth , it would be as if he killed all mankind; and whoever saved a life, it would be as if he saved all mankind. (5:32)...

And no lol they were white grapes.......which I have never tasted.

Regards.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2863 times:
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I think suicide is viewed as jumping the queue, and they take a dim view of that up there.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2851 times:



Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 22):
They (to my knowledge) would not be granted paradise.

But they'll get white grapes which may be appetizing if you aren't allowed to eat pork and drink booze.

Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 22):
... that whoever took a life, unless it be for murder or for spreading disorder on earth , it would be as if he killed all mankind; and whoever saved a life, it would be as if he saved all mankind. (5:32)...

That needs to be emphasized more in Islam and is often overlooked by the one's that get all the attention in the Western media outlets.




Cumulonimbus:
If you are depressed, listen to the Grand Illusion album by STYX.
So if you think your life is complete confusion
Because you never win the game
Just remember that its a grand illusion
And deep inside were all the same.
Were all the same...

So if you think your life is complete confusion
Because your neighbors got it made
Just remember that its a grand illusion
And deep inside were all the same.
Were all the same...



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25 TACAA320 : Not always. Most of the times is the consequence of an emotional imbalance [eg. depression]. Even some medications may produce, as a side effect, ten
26 RacingGreen07 : I couldn't agree more. Regards.
27 Superfly : That's fair enough but I still highly advise against it.
28 Asuflyer05 : / | | What he said. White grapes or cherries? Maybe that's the misinterpretation. Just kidding, LOL.
29 Post contains links TACAA320 : " ... In fact to neglect the ordinary means for preserving life is equivalent to killing one's self, but the same is not true with regard to extraordi
30 Post contains links Ctbarnes : I ran across this article on the internet after doing a quick search: http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1924 Perhaps my fellow sem
31 Cumulonimbus : Hmm thanks for the insight, I was just wondering if god or whomever or whatever power there be could understand people who are so racked with pain and
32 AA777 : You are misinformed. I was raised mormon.... you dont go to hell really... its supposed to be outer darkness (the equivalent of hell)....and that onl
33 RacingGreen07 : I kindly refer you to post 30. Many Thanks! Regards. Oh and its Qu'ran.
34 Post contains links TACAA320 : Nevertheless, it can be translated as "Coran". http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/quran/index.htm
35 ME AVN FAN : Doesn't God forgive sins ? -
36 TACAA320 : Of course He does.
37 Slider : Well, some of them didn’t get the message evidently. In many ways, this is one thing that I’ve always been fuzzy on with Catholicism…the whole
38 Pope : Charles, Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding of the official Catholic Church's position is officially that other than Saints (and very few ot
39 Post contains links TACAA320 : "This is not to suggest that Christian baptism was derived from proselyte baptism. What evidence there is leads us to conclude, on the contrary, that
40 Ctbarnes : Yes, I think that's right. The Church is very reluctant to make specific judgments about whether or not an individual goes to heaven or hell, since t
41 EWRCabincrew : But quick to judge, nonetheless. Bingo, we have a winner. Cut the middle man out.
42 AA777 : Haha.... well yeah, there are shades of sin, wouldnt you say? You dont think telling someone a small lie is not as bad as cheating on your husband or
43 Redngold : It's my personal belief that most who commit suicide are temporarily insane and acting out of desperation. However this doesn't apply to those who the
44 Aa757first : I didn't read through all of the posts. However, in Catholicism (not sure about other Christian religions), for a sin to be considered a sin, the sinn
45 Pope : If we're talking about heaven, then the conversation has to recognize the existence of a God. If we recognize the existence of a God that created hea
46 Bezoar : I agree that we get into trouble when we place limitations on God. However, I believe that it would be safe to assume that God can't possibly be cont
47 ReidYYZ : According to Peter Griffin's vision, the virgins are IT geeks tapping away at keyboards looking forward to the next Comic-con. Hey, it's Peter Griffi
48 Ctbarnes : Seems you're awfully quick to do so too... If we did that, on whom would you project your issues about religion? Charles, SJ
49 TACAA320 : "Catholicism" nor "other Christian religions" are religions. They are "churches". "Christianity" is a religion.[Edited 2007-12-03 21:16:46]
50 Pope : Isn't it presumptious to assume that God has fully revealed (or that we can fully understand) his "nature"? Therefore, I would submit that what might
51 UAL747 : Suicidal individuals are not in the proper frame of mind to realistically contemplate what they are about, or eventually do. Psychologically, when one
52 EWRCabincrew : No judgement on my part. Just an observation about the Church. Why do you need a church to talk to God? The conversations you have with God should be
53 Pope : Where are you getting this? I'm not aware of a single Christian religion that says that you need a church to talk to God. In fact, most Western relig
54 Ctbarnes : To me it came across not as an observation but an accusation. Sorry, but that statement is ridiculous. No one here has said you need a church to talk
55 Slider : That’s the $64,000 question, isn’t it? Last time I checked, the Commandment was “Thou Shalt Not Lie”. There’s no fine print that gauges lie
56 EWRCabincrew : No one did. Never said anyone did. I was trying to elaborate about cutting the middle man out. I never said anyone did. I was just trying to, again,
57 Post contains links TACAA320 : Some relevant aspects from "SPE SALVI": At www.vatican.va http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...xvi_enc_20071130_spe-salvi_en.html [Edited 2007-12-04
58 Pope : Just so you know, that statement is 100% consistent with Catholic theology.
59 TACAA320 : I rather say that nothing is 100% "pure" [consistent with...]. Let me try to explain myself. According to the Catholic Church, God is the only one [n
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