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Rural UK Wants Off Vehicle GPS Systems  
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13091 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 1703 times:

This article from the International Herald Tribune discusses the dark side of GPS vehicle navigation systems, especially how they direct heavy goods and large commercial vehicle driving thourgh small villages creating significant problems. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/03/europe/gps.php
Most GPS vehicle nav systems tend to default to show the 'shortest' route by distance, but not as to time or suitable for such vehicles. They also show shortcuts to major points (in the article one example is as to Bristol Airport) that are being used by more drivers, adding to overall traffic. These large vehicle are directed though the narrow, ancient High/Main streets of these villages, clipping mirrors off cars, hitting fences, getting stuck on hills, damaging roads and causing accidents. In one case noted in the piece, a truck driving through a small village street caught a small parked car and dragged it down the street, with a passenger in it! I would also assume some large vehicles are being lead up and down very steep hills, very sharp corners, too much so for their vehicles, low bridges and tunnels all creating havoc.

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User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2102 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 1697 times:

My current employer is a retailer and wholesaler of Sat Nav systems across the UK and Europe. We have had several mercy letters and phone calls from residents of small villages and even individual streets asking if we can use our influence on the manufacturers to persuade them to adjust their mapping data, mainly to prevent incidents just like those mentioned in the article.

Another common one we get are stories of truck drivers blindly following the directions given by the sat nav system, and finding themselves stuck under low bridges as a result of following the 'shortest route'.  Silly



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
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Just pass local ordinances concerning the size of vehicles allowed on certain roads unless their destination is on that road. It works here.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11646 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

I'm pretty sure that the road in question already has a weight limit on it, and a sign instructing drivers that it may not be suitable for large vehicles, I'll have a look next time I go past.

GPS systems are not really the problem though, it's the idiots driving the vehicles who have no common sense which are the problem. Why do they believe the GPS unit is more accurate than the local street signs, or that if the GPS says it's ok, then it's right to just ignore the signs?  Yeah sure There are though some comical faults in the map data, such as a 'road' near to where I live, which in fact hasn't been used as any more than a footpath for about 300 years and has a 120ft Oak tree growing in the middle of it!


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Why is this all of a sudden a problem. Didn't these truck drivers use maps back before GPS?

User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1408 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1609 times:



Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
Just pass local ordinances concerning the size of vehicles allowed on certain roads unless their destination is on that road. It works here.

Believe me in the UK it is not as easy as that, as nearly every level of government seems to have to be consulted to implement anything. In our rural area we have been trying to get a 30 MPH imposed on our narrow country lane for years and still no chance.

Our narrow lane, not wide enough for two cars to pass, is now being used as a short cut by all sorts of vehicles including large articulated lorries ,which if you meet them,force you in your car to back up as it is too difficult for them. All the earth road side banks have been worn away by cars trying to pass each other and all the drainage ditches have been filled in. This has only happened since the use of Sat nav has become very common

We tried to get the police to help , but they said they have not got the resources and any way it is a public road so there is nothing they can do. End of consultation.

littlevc10


User currently offlineFlipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1603 times:
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It happens all the time where I live, often if they get stuck we just laugh at them. It is their fault after all. A friend of mine once pulled a wagon out of a ditch and the bumper came off so the lorry driver said he was going to charge him for it, so my friend just drove off and left him still half in the ditch the cheeky f**ker.

Fred


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1590 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
GPS systems are not really the problem though, it's the idiots driving the vehicles who have no common sense which are the problem.

 checkmark  Surely most, if not all, give you the option of using the fastest route rather than the shortest, which would tend to keep you on A-roads. Mine certainly does. And if the GPS system is directing you into a field, do you absolutely have to follow it?

An argument against removing some locations and routes from the system is that the emergency services are benefitting from them.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1587 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
I'm pretty sure that the road in question already has a weight limit on it, and a sign instructing drivers that it may not be suitable for large vehicles, I'll have a look next time I go past.

GPS systems are not really the problem though, it's the idiots driving the vehicles who have no common sense which are the problem. Why do they believe the GPS unit is more accurate than the local street signs, or that if the GPS says it's ok, then it's right to just ignore the signs? There are though some comical faults in the map data, such as a 'road' near to where I live, which in fact hasn't been used as any more than a footpath for about 300 years and has a 120ft Oak tree growing in the middle of it!

Don't people understand how to read maps anymore? What a bunch of retards.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1579 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 7):
Surely most, if not all, give you the option of using the fastest route rather than the shortest, which would tend to keep you on A-roads.

Mine certainly does. Also, I can program my navigator to avoid any type of road I wish (ie secondary, toll roads, etc). I assume this is a common feature.

If they would just take five minutes to look through the manual...


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

My Satnav (Garmin) has an option in one of the menu's to tell it if you are a HGV, car or motorbike so I would hope that this would then help it decide what routes to use, although I've never used anything other than car mode.

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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14006 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

A few weeks ago a Dutch driver of an articulated truck in my region followed a GPS "shortcut", which led him on an agricultural track, which petered out in a muddy field...
His truck got completely stuck up to the axles, including trailer and had to be recovered by a specialist company...  Silly

Jan


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1539 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 9):
Also, I can program my navigator to avoid any type of road I wish (ie secondary, toll roads, etc). I assume this is a common feature.

Same here and those options were selected by default. I'd have to go in and explicitly change them if I wanted to be routed through narrow streets when not necessary.


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
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Satnav is an evil mistress. There are many news articles about German drivers, some even being killed when they turned in front of on-coming traffic or in one case a tram because the SatNav said to TURN! Obedience, not a good thing.

Common Sense -- not so common after all.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11646 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1510 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 8):
Don't people understand how to read maps anymore? What a bunch of retards.

Actually the number of people who struggle to get a map the right way up just to look at it is frightening. I've never used a GPS system for navigating, I always use a map and navigate for whoever is driving - only about twice have I become momentarily lost, both occasions because some Muppet had added an extra roundabout somewhere along the road and that threw me!

I do though accept that for lone motorists, without anyone to map-read for them, that GPS can save time and accidents - it just has to be used with common sense.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
A few weeks ago a Dutch driver of an articulated truck in my region followed a GPS "shortcut", which led him on an agricultural track, which petered out in a muddy field...

Something similar happened in the South West, Dutch driver got totally confused by the GPS, went up a tiny residential street, then reversed back taking half the cars with him and causing tens of thousands of pounds in damage.


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1467 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 14):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
A few weeks ago a Dutch driver of an articulated truck in my region followed a GPS "shortcut", which led him on an agricultural track, which petered out in a muddy field...

Something similar happened in the South West, Dutch driver got totally confused by the GPS, went up a tiny residential street, then reversed back taking half the cars with him and causing tens of thousands of pounds in damage.


Dan

No wonder they want to build Galileo-GPS is all an infernal Yanqui plot to bugger up the Netherlands.

It's all very clear to me now....

Can I have my aluminum foil hat and my Koolaid back now?




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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

There's even a village in Wales that's put up signs warning people about taking the wrong information from their SatNav.



story can be found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6959057.stm

I drove from Norwich to York via Cambridge (as you do) the other day in a rental car which was brand new, and the Sat Nav Database was so outdated it didn't know about a rebuilt dual carriageway on the A11 that's been there for years, made up 3 roundabouts that as far as I know have never existed, and didn;t know about the A1 up near Leeds that's been re-routed for a good year or so. It didn't fill me with confidence, but then, it was a Vauxhall Vectra.



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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

How about all the people who followed a road off a cliff a few years back. Even when it was frontpage news, it happened a number of time afterwards.

Satnavs are for stupid people who can't use maps and therefore should not be allowed to drive.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14006 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

I think one problem is that the freight companies order their drivers to use the SHORTEST route to save fuel (due to rising fuel costs), as opposed to the FASTEST route (which would use motorways and dual carriage ways).
So the drivers use the option for the shortest way by distance on their GPS, which then might lead them over back roads unsuitable for their vehicles.

Jan


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1363 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 17):
Satnavs are for stupid people who can't use maps and therefore should not be allowed to drive.

F**k off.

I use a sat nav all the time, because as a driver I'd rather not use a map at the same time as driving, especially when I cannot commit all the driving instructions to memory. It's all very well saying pull over and get the map out, but doing it every few miles is inconvenient, and in many urban areas, nigh on impossible. Generally I can manage without (as I did last night, finding Brentford FC in London despite having never driven around the area. A map would have been of very little use, though!), but it is reassuring to have one.

I'd also like to think I'm quite capable of knowing when my satnav is wrong.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

duplicate post please delete

[Edited 2007-12-06 10:37:04]


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 1330 times:



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 20):

Secure car park

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 21):
I find it much easier to just look at the map before I leave, write down the junctions and roads I need to take on a post-it note and stick it to the dashboard. That way I dont have to bugger around with either maps or bloody sat nav woman barking instructions from behind the dashboard!

OK for long motorway jaunts, but if a destination requires long city or off main road driving, it isn't quite as convenient.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11646 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 1290 times:



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 21):
All this while trying to find the coast, on an island!

Ah, but did you succeed?  Wink

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 23):
He's not here to defend himself, due to his foolishness, so it's only fair we should wait till his ban is up before we start to lambast the miserable, toe-licking, granny-dating, shandy drinking, soft little git!

Foolish, but bloody funny!


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 1268 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 17):
How about all the people who followed a road off a cliff a few years back. Even when it was frontpage news, it happened a number of time afterwards.

Satnavs are for stupid people who can't use maps and therefore should not be allowed to drive.

Those are what you call your garden variety lemmings.

Now...I did actually see a use for an onboard GPS system.

I was on my way toward Detroit just had crossed the line from Indiana coming from Gary and there was a hell of a traffic jam and snow. There'd been a wreck on the interstate. I was talking to a guy with a Honda Odyssey who had GPS and he showed me an alternate route around the accident. Off we went. Worked well.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2003 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
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It would seem that the simplest solution would be for the SatNav companies to gather local restrictions, weight limitation data (along with the speed cameras, and the tons of other ancillary data they already collect) and develop the ability for a user to enter vehicle weight, so that only the appropriate routes are displayed.


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25 Post contains images Gordonsmall : Sort of. If I remember correctly we didn't find the particular part of coast we wanted, though we did find a bit of coast with sand on it, and a ferr
26 Post contains images LHRjc : Why am I not surprised ?! Indeed it was, even if I was also landed with a ban because of it... Oh well... At least I am now back whilst he has about
27 Post contains images David L : Well said. GPS should not be used by stupid people. For people with an ounce of intelligence it can be a real help. I've been doubtful of mine on a f
28 MD11Engineer : I have heard about truck drivers getting a bollocking from their dispatcher (who plans the route from his desk at a computer according to economic re
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