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Iranian Plot To Attack Israel Exposed  
User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1192 times:

Jordan's king exposes Iranian plot to attack Israel
By Arieh O'Sullivan


JERUSALEM (February 6) - Jordan's King Abdullah II reportedly exposed an Iranian plot to launch mortar and rocket attacks on Israel from Jordanian territory during a visit to Washington last month.

The London-based Saudi newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted US officials as saying Abdullah presented the evidence to President George W. Bush during his visit. It said this was one of the deciding factors for Bush to include Iran in the "axis of evil."

According to Abdullah, Iran had been involved in 17 attempts by Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists to attack Israel with mortars and rockets from Jordanian territory.

These terrorists reportedly were trained in Iran or the Hizbullah camps in Lebanon.

The report said Abdullah had tried to raise the topic in two different telephone conversations with Iranian President Muhammad Khatami. But Khatami blamed it on the extremists in Iran.

Abdullah did not accept this and raised the issue with Bush, the newspaper said.

The idea behind the attacks was fear that Israel, and perhaps the US, would attack Syria should Hizbullah escalate attacks on the northern border.

Some of the weapons to be used for the attacks were smuggled in through Akaba, the paper quoted American sources as saying.

Abdullah also said Jordan has foiled over 70 attacks against Israel from its territory.

One attack it failed to prevent, however, was last December 24, when gunmen attacked an IDF patrol along the Jordan River, killing one reservist. IDF Intelligence believes the gunmen were from Lebanon and linked to Hizbullah.

The Jordanian accusations came amid the backdrop of belligerent rhetoric coming out of Teheran and Jerusalem over Iranian intentions to acquire nuclear weapons and destroy Israel.

"Israel never had and does not have any intention of attacking Iran," Transportation Minister Ephraim Sneh told Israel Radio.

His comments came in response to threats by Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani to launch an "unimaginable" response should Israel attack Iran's nuclear power plant. In an interview published yesterday, Shamkhani insisted Iran has no intention of procuring or making nuclear weapons, but is continuing its efforts to develop the medium-range ballistic Shihab 3 missile.

"The existence of nuclear weapons will turn us into a threat to others that could be exploited in a dangerous way to harm our relations with the countries of the region," he told Al-Sharq al-Awsat.

In December former Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani said the Islamic world is too large to be destroyed by a nuclear bomb, whereas Israel would be wiped out with just one.

"We have no intention or desire to enter into conflict with Iran, and we have no desire to be under an Iranian threat, particularly in light of the Islamic fundamentalist control there and their great efforts to develop nuclear and non-conventional weapons and long-range missiles which can threaten us," said Justice Minister Meir Sheetrit.

"We are duty-bound to defend ourselves if there is a need. We have no offensive intentions toward Iran. I think that Iran feels the international pressure being put on it now."

Minister without Portfolio Dan Meridor said the country is not interested in a conflict with Teheran, but is trying to convince Russia and Western countries to cut links with Iran as long as it seeks to develop weapons of mass destruction.

"Iran has openly declared its policy is to destroy Israel, not help the Palestinians, not [to discuss] various kinds of borders or Jerusalem. Simply the annihilation of Zionism and destruction of Israel," Meridor told Israel Radio.

"No reasonable Western country should have any contact with Iran as long as it seeks to destroy another country."

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Whine all you want about how your favorite terrorist state isn't and how terrorism is ok as long as it's target is Israel, but I think this plot is the clencher..... Iran is a terrorist state.

N400QX


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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1120 times:

Ummmmm.......just where are the facts here? There is nothing more than heresay and conjecture by Israeli government officials, and a non-quote from a UK-based Muslim newspaper.

User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1108 times:

Trying a new tactic, I see.  Insane

Where are the facts? "Ummmm..." it is the facts. It isn't heresy or conjecture by the Israelis... until King Abdullah condemns the Post for printing false stories, we can believe it is true.

And I wouldn't put it past those damn Iranians (and Palestinians)...

N400QX



User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1107 times:

I would say that if a Muslim newspaper printed something incriminating fellow Muslims then there must be a degree of truth in the story.

As they say, there's no smoke without fire.....

I doubt it is sponsored by the Iranian state though, more likely some crazy Jihadi nutcases.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1099 times:

Aviatsiya, had this been a story with the headline of "Jordan's King Foils Plot By Israel to Attack Iran", you wouldn't be asking for facts; you wouldn't be worried about it being "..nothing more than heresay and conjecturr..." by some Irianian Government official. You and a few other lost souls on this forum would have been on it like fly on schidt, and you wouldn't let it go. That's what would have happened: I know it, you know it, and most memebers on this forum know it.

User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

Guys...all I am saying that I have yet to see any facts on this case...until then, I withhold my opinion on the case. And who in Iran was behind this? Was it the Mullahs? Khatami? Who? And what are the details of the plot? None of that is presented here.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Then why didn't you just say "there's not enough info, so I'll withhold my opinion."? In fairness, I'm guilty of that, too, Aviatsiya-we put in our ingrained, built-in skepticism into the first word on anything. Maybe it shows we're really made of the same stuff.

User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

I did say that...i.e.

Ummmmm.......just where are the facts here? There is nothing more than heresay and conjecture by Israeli government officials, and a non-quote from a UK-based Muslim newspaper.

It means exactly the same thing. I want facts...not some quotes from some Israeli minister (who is so good btw, that he doesn't even have a portfolio) and referrence to some UK-based Saudi newspaper, even though nothing from their report was given.

Also, by searching on this "Arieh O'Sullivan", it seems the only thing the person writes about is anything which can be seem as going against the Jewish state, or Jews in general.

A story such as this is a big deal, if it is true, yet I can't find it on CNN, BBC, ABC, or any other news service.

Reserving my judgement.


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

>Also, by searching on this "Arieh O'Sullivan", it seems the only thing the person writes about is anything which can be seem as going against the Jewish state, or Jews in general

And what, do you imply, is wrong with that?

>A story such as this is a big deal, if it is true, yet I can't find it on CNN, BBC, ABC, or any other news service.

Lots of stories don't hit the big news services off the bat... I can think of a few off hand that the networks/services didn't report on because it went against their ideology.

By the way, do you disagree that Iran is a terrorist state, much like Afghanistan? That might explain a few things...


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

If I had a dollar for every half-baked plot Iran has hatched to attack Israel since 1979 I'd be, er..., having to turn all that money into my community.

*yawn*

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

Iran is a state which ultimately acts in it's own interests, like a most of them ..... Terrorist, axis of evil that's GW acting in HIS interests !

Good luck to them both !

Still waiting for you to make me laugh ....

grant



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

It's good to see Jordan on Israel's side. Israel needs as many Arab friends as it can get.

As to being skeptical about this, what more do you want? The article states facts, not made up information. It is a reliable source, not some trash news source. Amazing to me that some of you people will believe any half baked information that is against Israel, but wont believe hard facts that supports them.

Why would this information just be made up? Last time I checked, news don't just make up information to their liking, so why all of a sudden are you skeptical about this?



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

"Four Israelis Killed in W.Bank, Sharon Heads for US
Wed Feb 6, 8:27 PM ET
By Megan Goldin

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian gunmen killed four Israelis in a raid on a Jewish settlement on Wednesday and Israeli warplanes launched a retaliatory strike on a Palestinian Authority building, wounding 11 people.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, furious with Yasser Arafat over a wave of suicide bombings and gun attacks against the Jewish state, was flying to Washington to urge President Bush to sever ties with the Palestinian President when the gunmen struck.

An Israeli mother and her daughter, who had been taken hostage, were among the four killed by the gunmen at the Jewish Hamra settlement in the West Bank's Jordan Valley, Israeli radio and television stations reported.

They said the incident apparently ended when an elite army commando unit stormed a house and killed a Palestinian gunman, but troops were conducting a house-to-house search for more assailants.

Israeli fighter planes fired two missiles at the Palestinian Authority's main headquarters in the West Bank city of Nablus in retaliation for the killing, the Israeli army said. Palestinian officials said 11 people, mostly policemen, were wounded.

The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a group connected to Arafat's Fatah faction, claimed responsibility for the settlement attack in a fax received by Reuters. Voice of Palestine radio also said the group claimed responsibility. The claims could not be independently verified.

The Israeli army said it was still trying to find out exactly what had happened at Hamra, but a spokesman confirmed that Palestinian gunmen killed and wounded several Israelis.

"We view the events with the utmost gravity," an Israeli Foreign Ministry official said.

In other bloodshed, Palestinian witnesses in the Gaza Strip said an Israeli soldier shot dead a 16-year-old Palestinian as he stood and watched Israeli bulldozers at work. The Israeli army said soldiers shot a Palestinian who had thrown a grenade.

ISRAELI POLICE STOP BOMBERS

Shortly before Sharon departed, Israeli police said they had arrested a Palestinian with explosives strapped to his body on a bus in Jerusalem. They later said two other Palestinians were arrested with a bomb near the city of Netanya, apparently en route to launch a suicide attack.

The Israeli army called a news conference to display eight Qassam-2 missiles it said were seized on a Palestinian truck traveling from Nablus to the nearby West Bank city of Jenin early on Wednesday.

Israeli Brigadier-General Gershon Yitzhak said the missiles had a range of about 10-12 km (six-to-seven miles) and were capable of hitting Israel's densely populated coastal region.

Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer told Israeli television from Washington where he was meeting senior U.S. officials that if the missiles were used against Israeli cities "it would be a dramatic escalation...we would have to respond."

Sharon is making his fourth White House visit since coming to power a year ago on a pledge to improve Israelis' security.

Bush, who has expressed disappointment with Arafat over an alleged attempt by Iran to ship weapons to the Gaza Strip, has not met the Palestinian leader in that time.

The United States has signaled it will not walk away from the Middle East crisis and will do all it can to get the Israelis and Palestinians talking peace again after 16 months of conflict that has killed more than 1,000 people.

Bush's State of the Union address last week, in which he referred to Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil," means Sharon will preach to the converted when he restates his concern that Tehran and Baghdad have nuclear aspirations.

But Sharon's focus will be on what he regards as Arafat's failure to crack down on Palestinian militants behind attacks against the Jewish state.

"To our regret, Arafat has become irrelevant and I would even say his only relevancy is his devotion to continue in the way of terror," Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner said.

"So we must find other Palestinians and Mr. Sharon has already started talks with other Palestinian leaders, like Abu Ala and Abu Mazen," he said, referring to a surprise meeting last week with two veteran Palestinian leaders.

Arafat, confined to his West Bank headquarters since early December by an Israeli army blockade, dismissed growing U.S. and Israeli pressure on him.

At least 833 Palestinians and 249 Israelis have been killed since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation erupted in September 2000 after peace talks stalled.

"All the attempts they are making to harm the mighty people and hampering peace in the land of peace will not succeed," Arafat told reporters before talks in the West Bank city of Ramallah with European Union envoy Miguel Angel Moratinos."





Yea, these are really a people intent on making peace. Where would Palestinians get missiles like that?



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Yea, these are really a people intent on making peace. Where would Palestinians get missiles like that?

China? Iran? Iraq? Syria? Libya? North Korea? I mean, there's no shortage of possible suppliers, are there?






User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

 Yeah sure

 Laugh out loud


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

oh god the iranians are nuts.

its funny that there are people who hate israel even more than the arabs!


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

Yea, certain members of this forum.


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User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

And what, do you imply, is wrong with that?

Over a period of time, it shows that her/his ability to be objective is not present.

By the way, do you disagree that Iran is a terrorist state, much like Afghanistan? That might explain a few things....

I will say that Iran has some problems in dealing with terrorism, however, I would not call them a "rogue" or "terrorist" state. Why are they a terrorist state exactly?

Lots of stories don't hit the big news services off the bat... I can think of a few off hand that the networks/services didn't report on because it went against their ideology.

This story is big enough in that given the chimpanzees latest exploits in Washington, it implicate Iran. Why no official comment from any of the American government agencies? Looking at the CNN, BBC, ABC and other websites again just now, there are plenty of other stories which shouldn't take priority over this one in news worthiness.

As to being skeptical about this, what more do you want? The article states facts, not made up information. It is a reliable source, not some trash news source.

Give me just ONE fact which is stated in this article which implicates an Iranian plot to attack Israel. Just ONE!! I want the sources name as well. Sorry, but for me an American government official doesn't cut it, coz for all I know it could be a member of the State Department janitorial staff.

Why would this information just be made up? Last time I checked, news don't just make up information to their liking, so why all of a sudden are you skeptical about this?

ROTFLMAO....are you serious dude? Information is regularly made up to serve ones agenda. Governments and organisations do it all the time. And news services are used to disseminate this information. Just ask N400QX...he knows all about this type of stuff...i.e. Putin has ties with the Russian mafia  Insane

And Tbar...what was the point of that article? I don't see anywhere in it where Iran is implicated AT ALL. The only mention of Iran is in regards to the chimps recent speeches.

China? Iran? Iraq? Syria? Libya? North Korea? I mean, there's no shortage of possible suppliers, are there?

Hell....the missiles could even be coming from America. Who knows??

Anyway, proof people....not just some newspaper article full of innuendo. And finally...LOL @ Charles  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

I'm sorry Charles thinks that way because these "half baked" plots are dangerous, not funny, and real, not imagined.

Iraq had its designs on a destroyed Israel, however Israel took the matter into its own hands. Iran could be next.


User currently offlineMusalmaan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

I am not going to read all replies but here is my two cents worth...

We all can say Iran is evil, Iraq is bad, North Korea are commis, they are bad, they should be burnt to death, die die!!!

But guess what, media is a big lie and politics. Why the hell would Iran attack Israel through Jordan? Doesn't make any sense? Why wouldn't King Abdullah say this himself on TV? They are all paid bastards appointed by USA to keep their holes shut and so that the US propaganda and colonialization of world and continue on unnoticed.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 991 times:

Why the hell would Iran attack Israel through Jordan? Doesn't make any sense?

Ever heard of missile technology? Convenient way to skip by Jordan. You laugh at it? Well, if my memory serves me correct, Saddam Hussein used them against Israel-a non-combatant, during the Gulf War.

Musalmaan, when you started your thread "Ask Me Quesiton About Islam", I thought that was kind of cool. I even told Twotterwrench to shut his hole for the crap he was putting out here-he got the ultimate punishement on this forum-banishment-for what he did. But now that I read on with what you have to say, I've come to the conclusion that you're just another apologist for these nuts around the world. I know you don't agree, but that's tough cookies. That's how I read it.


User currently offlineMusalmaan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 984 times:

When I received 50 plus posts criticizing my religion and my people, somebody gotta stand up for them.

Either you are with me, or either you are with them  Smile


User currently offlineBoeing in Pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 980 times:

Once India is done kicking Pakistans ass we can get the to help us take out Iran!

Long Live America
Long live India
death to iran


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 976 times:

"No reasonable Western country should have any contact with Iran as long as it seeks to destroy another country."

Well I consider ourselves as reasonable, therefore I hope that none a single european country will follow this statement. This war against terror is getting way out of hand. I would visit Iran any day.




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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 969 times:

When I received 50 plus posts criticizing my religion and my people, somebody gotta stand up for them.

I will not critisize you for standing up for your religion. I will critisize you for not properly condemning the thugs that hijack your religion to destroy others. I will condemn you-and all Muslims-who will not speak out against these murders. And, from what I've seen, precious few Muslims with any voice in the Arab world and in the U.S. seem to have the nerve to condemn these people for the animals that they are.

Either you are with me, or either you are with them.

Who is "them"? The west, or the thugs who hide like cowards behind Islam to promote death and destruction? Please clairify, if you can.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (12 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 963 times:

Excuse me, but most people know that Iran has become more and more pro western in the past few years. Indeed, things were really looking good thanks to Jack Straw's recent visit. However, most people realise that it's the Iranian hard-liners that are being incrediably stupid and destroying their country.

Khatami has no power. He is realitivly liberal and pro-western (which is why he was elected by the Iranian public) however as soon as he tries to impliment any liberal policies a hardcore of about 30 oppose him.

Modern Iranian culture is quite European. Most Iranian's don't support the hardline attitude on the US, Israel and Europe. They try to do something about this by elected liberal presidents like Khatami, but this makes no difference. The Iranian people have little say in what the hardliners do to their country.


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