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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

Today is December 7th in the US . . .

Today a new memorial is dedicated at Pearl Harbor . . . dedicated by some of the survivors of the USS Oklahoma . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/07/pearl.harbor.ap/index.html

Salute to the survivors, salute to those that perished.

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Thanks to all the Veterans and current armed forces.

User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10286 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Today is December 7th in the US . . .

Isn't today December 7th in the rest of the world too  biggrin 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Salute to the survivors, salute to those that perished.

Absolutely. The Arizona memorial is one of the most sombre places I've been to. A stark reminder of the horrors that we are capable of inflicting upon one another. Makes me even more thankful for those that fought and continue to fight for the things we should cherish.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10284 times:



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Isn't today December 7th in the rest of the world too

Depends on what side if the date line you're on . . . it's the 8th in Oz already . . .

Damned one dimensional thinker you are  duck  wink 


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10277 times:
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http://www.anders.com/pictures/public/04-views/24%20-%20Pearl%20Harbor%20Memorial%20-%20Hawaii%20-%209-8-2001.jpg




Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10267 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Damned one dimensional thinker you are

Pep, I'm not even one-dimensional deep. I'm semi-dimensional. My dimensions got halved after I watched that awful bloody Ben Afleck movie about the very day we're talking about.

By the way, it's great to see survivors taking part in the dedication of the new memorial. With each year, there are are fewer and fewer survivors alive to tell it as it really happened, so to see them want to be a part of this is fitting.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

My dad is a WWII Vet. Served in Burma and India.

My mom was in the US Cadet Nurse Corps.

http://www.cadetnurse.com/

Sadly this group of women, the largest and youngest group of uniformed women to serve their country during World War II, were never given Veteran benefits, as they were under the auspices of the United States Public Health Service.


The U.S. Cadet Nurse Corps Equity Act of 2003:
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr476.html


We are loosing thousands of WWII vets every month....while you still can, thank them for their service.

[Edited 2007-12-07 09:12:26]

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10264 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Salute to the survivors, salute to those that perished.

To all those that served in this war, present or departed, a heart felt thank you.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Remember Pearl Harbor.

And eternal gratitude to those who sacrificed.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10250 times:

Tribute to the Soldiers that fought that day on both sides.

Do the Japanese celebrate this day.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10241 times:

A Date which will live in infamy.

I visited the Arizona Memorial back in 2005. Unfortunately, I had a cheap digital camera at the time and didn't get many good photos while I was there.  frown 


But here's what I got:
Turret and the leaking fuel, the "Tears of the Ship".
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/TripleSevenPhil/Hawaii%20Photos/d017.jpg

The memorial viewed from the loading dock
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/TripleSevenPhil/Hawaii%20Photos/846a.jpg


And here's the overview of Pearl Harbor that we were treated with while on approach to 8L at HNL. A view that probably wasn't uncommon for many Japanese pilots that day.
The Missouri is visible, the Arizona Memorial is behind it. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/TripleSevenPhil/Hawaii%20Photos/458d.jpg


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

A heartfelt thank you to all those who perished on that tragic day, and to those who fought, and are fighting is past and present wars. Your sacrifices will not be forgotten, nor taken for granted. Each day we all live in freedom is a testament to your will.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10222 times:

Thanks to all the Veterans that kept freedom free. I visited Pearl Harbor in 2005, it really made me think deep in respect to those who lost their lives in that horrific act.

User currently offlinePJFlysFast From United States of America, joined May 2006, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10213 times:

I cant not thank those veterans who have fought for our country enough! Tomorrow me and my JROTC unit will be doing a pass and review ceremony to honor those who were at Pearl Harbor, and those who have fought and continue to fight for our country.

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10210 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Salute to the survivors, salute to those that perished.

Agreed. May those that perished rest in peace.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10195 times:



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 4):

I would have thought that by now, the remains of the Arizona would have fully sunk to the ground. I'm surprised it's still floating like that over 60 years after Pearl Harbour.

May an attack like the one on December 7th 1941 in Pearl Harbour never happen again! And never forget the men who fought until the last to defend their ground and their country during the invasion. You're all heroes of your country. May those who died in Pearl rest in peace!


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10193 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
I would have thought that by now, the remains of the Arizona would have fully sunk to the ground. I'm surprised it's still floating like that over 60 years after Pearl Harbour.

I haven't been there, but I believe it has settled to the botom.


User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

Today is also my mother's birthday. My cousin's is Hiroshima (of course, not the same year, LOL!) and I'm Veteran's Day (well, the 11th to be exact). We're a big family of important war dates. Big grin


I'm a Taiwanese-American living in NYC and LA.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10187 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
I would have thought that by now, the remains of the Arizona would have fully sunk to the ground. I'm surprised it's still floating like that over 60 years after Pearl Harbour.

The remains of the Arizona ARE on the ground - at the bottom of the harbor . . . it's no longer floating . . . it sank, Dec 7, 1941 right where she sits . . .

Pearl isn't that deep. In fact, it's often dredged to keep the harbor at about 35 feet in depth.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10183 times:
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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 5):
Pep, I'm not even one-dimensional deep. I'm semi-dimensional. My dimensions got halved after I watched that awful bloody Ben Afleck movie about the very day we're talking about.

Amen to that. I turned it off halfway through. I still think Tora Tora Tora is the definitive Pearl Harbour movie, and they used real airplanes (I know, a lot of them were modified Harvards -- but it was still quite a feat).

I've been to the Arizona memorial, and I think it has been well set up as appropriately hallowed ground (water?). As a Canadian, I'm supremely grateful to all those American servicemen who laid their lives on the line to help win that war, in all the theaters in which they fought.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10179 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
The remains of the Arizona ARE on the ground - at the bottom of the harbor . . . it's no longer floating . . . it sank, Dec 7, 1941 right where she sits . .

The round rusty thing is what is left of the turret. I believe they reused the top part on another battle ship. The white building with all the windows was erected after the sinking and spans the ship at a 90 degree angle.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10173 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
The remains of the Arizona ARE on the ground - at the bottom of the harbor . . . it's no longer floating . . . it sank, Dec 7, 1941 right where she sits . . .

Pearl isn't that deep. In fact, it's often dredged to keep the harbor at about 35 feet in depth.

Interesting. I didn't know the geography in and around Pearl, so I honestly thought it was still floating after 66 years.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

I visited Pearl harbour in Oct, 2001. Unfortunately I could not look around in silence as there was a high-school class making an unbelievable amount of noise. Even the guards could not get them silent. After some time they left. I always like to remain silent at such places to give some respect to those who died.

Is it true that the bodies trapped inside were never recovered? I do believe I read something like that.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
I would have thought that by now, the remains of the Arizona would have fully sunk to the ground. I'm surprised it's still floating like that over 60 years after Pearl Harbour.

It's not floating. Pearl Harbor just isn't that deep. In fact, several ships that were sunk that day were able to be refloated and salvaged. Only the Utah and the Arizona were not refloated. Also, the Japanese knew the Harbor wasn't that deep, hence the modification to the torpedoes that you see in the movie Pearl Harbor, less the would dive and hit the bottom of the harbor before being able to strike their target.
Additionally, if you know the story of the USS Nevada, you know why the ship ran aground that day. The Captain of the ship decided to back out from the dock and make a run for the open sea. The Japanese pilots knew if they could sink the ship the entrance to the harbor would be blocked for months, and thus proceeded to try to sink the ship right in the middle of the channel. Realising this as well after sustaining damage, the Captain of the Nevada ran the ship aground on the side of the harbor. If I recall correctly, there is an American flag at the spot to mark the spot where the Nevada ran aground.


What could be a problem though is that fuel tank did not rupture the day the Arizona went down, and oil has slowly been leaking from the ship for the past 60 years. Environmentalists fear the tank could rupture and there would be a major environmental disaster. However, it's been hard to do anything about it, as the leaking oil has been viewed as symbolic- the "Tears of the Ship". Though if anyone wishes to start a debate on that, save it for another thread.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 20):
The round rusty thing is what is left of the turret. I believe they reused the top part on another battle ship. The white building with all the windows was erected after the sinking and spans the ship at a 90 degree angle.

Correct. And the only part of the ship that touches the Memorial is at the flag pole.

Kinda' neat how the symbols for the two symbols for the start (the Arizona Memorial) and the end (USS Missouri)of World War II for the US sit only a few hundred feet apart.

[Edited 2007-12-07 10:44:50]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10158 times:



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 22):
Is it true that the bodies trapped inside were never recovered? I do believe I read something like that.

True.

Left in place.

WHen you go on the tour, it's made known to you that not only is it a memorial . . . the Arizona is also a tomb.


25 OHLHD : Is it known how many bodies were not recovered?
26 Post contains images ShyFlyer : I just now realized that Pearl Harbor Day isn't even marked by the publisher on my calender (other significant dates are though). And it's a Civil Air
27 STT757 : Your kidding right? Why would the Japanese celebrate a day which began a War they lost and in which tens of Millions of their countryman were killed,
28 OHLHD : I think it is a day to remember but not a day to celebrate.
29 AGC525 : I'd also like to thank not only the soldiers, sailors, and marines who defended Pearl Harbor that day, but also the six Honolulu firefighters who were
30 Airfoilsguy : I don't think he really meant celebrate as we know the word, something was probably lost in translation.
31 FlagshipAZ : Regarding the remains of the sailors who died on the Arizona that day...1177 men & boys were killed on-board her. When they started to salvaged the ha
32 Kalakaua : I live, work, and study just a skip away from where the Arizona lies. I always pause and reflect whenever I pass by. It's been raining a lot these pas
33 Aloha73G : I think you mean Punchbowl Crater, home of the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific. Living in Hawai'i I have always felt very lucky to have vis
34 Post contains links Scottieprecord : I'd assume it's similar to, but probably less than, August 6th (Hiroshima Attack) in the US - maybe a mention on the daily news and a few memorial se
35 FlagshipAZ : To Aloha73G (reply 33)...yes, you are correct. It is the Punch Bowl Crater. I remember the cemetary there, which is where I learned the story I posted
36 Post contains links and images MD11Engineer : Does anybody remember the American sailors of the destroyer USS Reuben James, who got killed on October 31st, 1941 when their ship was torpedoed by a
37 Post contains links and images Tom in NO : Pearl Harbor is absolutely on my life's to-do list. Amen to that New Orleans is fortunate in that we host the National World War II Museum.....on my
38 Post contains links and images DL021 : I visited the USS Arizona memorial three weeks ago. Here's the photos, including one of a very important moment for me. I was allowed to assist in fla
39 FlagshipAZ : To MD11engineer (reply 36)...the destroyers Greer & Kearny were attacked by German U-boats prior to the sinking the Reuben James. The Greer & Kearny s
40 DavestanKSAN : Great photos Ian. Can't imagine how much emotion that must have invoked. Thanks for sharing them. Dave
41 Banco : As does any student of the Battle of the Atlantic. In those fraught times, the US escort presence, small as it was, was absolutely critical to an ove
42 Post contains links and images AirportSeven : One from my personal collection, this is a view of the memorial from Langley Avenue on Ford Island.
43 Scottieprecord : Well, apparently discussing the history of Pearl Harbor on Pearl Harbor day is off-topic... But either way, I realized I had yet to give my thanks and
44 Post contains links Aloha73G : http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...e/2007/Dec/07/br/br6591723480.html An article about the memorial service today. According to it, over 900 sailo
45 Post contains links and images FXramper : Had a 3rd cousin on the West Virginia. He's in a retirement home in San Diego now. This day has always been a special one for my family. Hats off to a
46 NIKV69 : I went to the Pearl Harbor Ceremony at FRG with two fellow local spotters. There was 6 or 7 veterans of Pearl Harbor and I was able to chat with one w
47 JGPH1A : Sombre ? I went twice, once many years ago and I went to the memorial itself on the ferry, the place was very busy and 80% of the visitors were Japan
48 GEEDO : Especially the Americans that were asked to wake from a Sunday morning slumber to defend an air raid while not in a state of war.
49 Post contains links NAV20 : I'd like to add my tribute to the people who died at Pearl, and also to all those Americans who answered the call in all campaigns of the World War. P
50 Post contains images Sunking737 : I for one will never forget this day as one of my teachers in high school, Navy JROTC, was aboard the USS Nevada that morning. LCDR Johnson spent his
51 Falcon84 : Salute to your father. He fought for us, in the greatest war ever contested. He's a hero in my book. One of the things that may have had the American
52 Post contains images Bok269 : My thoughts and prayers are with those that died on that day that has since lived on in infamy
53 57AZ : Actually, the fuel oil has also been a matter of some concern to the Navy and environmental experts for some time. As the fuel bunkers rust away, mor
54 Aaron747 : No. This is a denial culture and the only thing remotely connected with WWII that is observed in this country in any way is August 6, where there is
55 Post contains links NAV20 : Very interesting, Aaron747 - I'd heard that the history of the War was 'played down' in Japan but hadn't realised before how complete that process wa
56 MD11Engineer : I assume that history is in Japan among the younger population about as popular as it is over here, the only exception here is that the older generat
57 ANCFlyer : THe same four the US Navy sent swimming during Midway . . . Akaga, Kaga, Hiryu and Soryu Midway was a pivotal battle for US forces. Although the woun
58 L-188 : It was also the 8th in Japan, so that is the day spoken about over there........when they do discuss it. It has been on the bottom since the attack.
59 Post contains links NAV20 : And the Coral Sea before that, in May 1942, ANCFlyer. I think 1942 was undoubtedly the 'finest hour' of the US Navy. From a standing start, with the
60 L-188 : I agree with that. It forced the US to rapidly evolve it's tactics because of a lack of traditional naval assets. Also what can't be discounted was t
61 Aaron747 : Japanese who have the desire and intellectual curiosity to study abroad are generally exceptional people. That hasn't even begun to happen here on an
62 L-188 : Agreed, Japan definately has a national issue with their setup prior to the war.
63 Aaron747 : And as I've pointed out many times before, it's all a direct result of MacArthur's single-minded decision to absolve the emperor of any and all respon
64 DL021 : I understand that...but tell me if it's true that the Emperor was not truly in charge, and that Tojo had taken the powers of dictator during this per
65 Jetjack74 : This is where i'll be reenlisting for the last time in Sept of next year, is at the Arizona Memorial. One of the biggest reasons I joined the Navy 16
66 AirframeAS : Is it true.....that the sole reason as to why the Japanese bombed Pearl was because the U.S. at the time, cut off the shipments of oil?
67 DL021 : Congratulations and thanks for your continued service. No. We also cut off their other industrial supplies as sanctions against their war against Chi
68 Aaron747 : No. There is no sole reason, but there's a laundry list of them, most of which lie in the Japanese military establishment's usurption of the "divine
69 MCOflyer : I think this a good thread as we all need to learn the importance of Pearl Harbor. My grand pa was in WW2 on the east coast at that time. I think he w
70 DL021 : I'm not sure you told me much different than I already thought. I do believe you think that the Emperor was more in command than I do...I think he wa
71 Post contains links NAV20 : Absolutely correct IMO. The idea of an alliance with Germany/Italy, and surprise attacks on Western bases throughout the Far East and the Pacific Reg
72 AirframeAS : Thank you for the info. I tried to ask a couple Japanese students in 1998 about the Pearl Harbor attack. They REFUSED to talk about it or share their
73 Fumanchewd : Interesting. Thank you.
74 Aaron747 : A couple of things I have consistently brought up that people either don't read completely or ignore: Japan's democracy of the last 60 years is funct
75 NAV20 : Cheers, AirframeAS, Fumanchewd. As you’ll gather, I’ve always loved history. And I reckon that, in trying to understand history, it is important a
76 DL021 : [ Actually....there is an argument to be made that the Japanese damned the Axis to loss by spurring the United States into action. If they'd have wait
77 Post contains images AirframeAS : I, too, am a history buff! The stuff you mentioned (expecially #8 was a very interesting read, but #7 I didnt know about until you brought it up...)
78 Aaron747 : If you're a history buff, I highly recommend: "Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Aftermath of WWII" by John Dower.
79 NAV20 : Aaron747, thanks for the insights into the shortcomings of present-day Japan. Of course I agree with you that an opportunity was missed - but I don't
80 B752fanatic : I think that is the most common view about the Japanese "spurring" the US into action. What one omits is what led the Japanese to attack us. Does it
81 NAV20 : With respect, B752fanatic, they didn't just do it to 'us,' meaning the USA; they simultaneously attacked just about every country in the region. The
82 B752fanatic : True, the Japanese bombed and attacked the Chinese and other nations many times before pearl harbor, and the US never showed any signs of negative ac
83 HAWK21M : It was a Sucessfull Surprise operations by the Japanese at that time.Hence the records would Indicate that. Where as from the American view point it
84 Yellowstone : Regarding the role of oil in prompting the Pearl Harbor attacks - Wikipedia states that the chain of events went something like this: - Japan invades
85 Wingnut767 : I love your blame America. It is really starting to get old. With the invasion of China, the Rape of Nanking we had every reason to embargo Japan. Th
86 Aaron747 : All Japanese war dead for the last several hundred years are enshrined at Yasukuni in Tokyo. The problem is that 14 class-A war criminals are include
87 B752fanatic : Again, I am apparently an American hater. I hate the governments that we have had, do not generalize thinking that I hate America. I am a proud Ameri
88 NAV20 : B752fanatic, you seem to be arguing that the United States should have stayed out of WW2? Would you care to say what sort of place you think the worl
89 CasInterest : We somehow provoked a goverment that was invading other countries for their resources, and threatening our Allies? If you call setting an embargo due
90 Aaron747 : Maybe because they had already fought a war with them 40 years prior for a single contested island. Check your history before asking such questions.
91 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Correct. And the only part of the ship that touches the Memorial is at the flag pole. Interesting how the symbols for the start and the end of World
92 Post contains images NAV20 : You really should read more history, B752 - and maybe buy an atlas..... 'Russia' then, as now, overwhelmingly meant Western Russia. At the time - lat
93 DL021 : I don't think anyone really thinks that...most of us just think that you don't really read any history beyond the Cliff's Notes and that your lack of
94 Post contains links Allstarflyer : That's interesting. We would have probably had a Britain with an expanding navy, a France with a growing underground resistance, who-knows-what with
95 B752fanatic : No not at all, in fact, I think we got in a bit late. Im just questioning why should have we used Pearl Harbor as an excuse to enter the war. We shou
96 CasInterest : History of the late 19th and early 20th century has to be read with an understanding, and educated...historically, mind. The Germans and Japanese amb
97 DL021 : Because they attacked us, sunk most of the Pacific Fleet at it's moorings, and killed thousands of our men. And attacked the Philippines the day afte
98 MD11Engineer : The Japanese attacked the Soviet Union in the late 1930s, to cut a piece out of eastern Siberia. The only problwem was that the Soviets had a very ca
99 NAV20 : Thanks for #98, MD11Engineer, interesting new information. Thanks to you too, B752Fanatic, easier to see where you're coming from now. Theoretically U
100 DL021 : It has been said that Sorges espionage saved the Russians. By adding Zhukov to the other two generals fighting the Germans (General Winter and Genera
101 Post contains links NAV20 : Correction to #99 above - the destroyer that reported attacking a submarine prior to the air attack was the USS 'Ward', not the 'Shaw.' The commander
102 Fridgmus : I remember watching a TV program on the USS Arizona a few years back with both American and Japanese Veterans attending a memorial service on the Ariz
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