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F1: Off Season Thread 3  
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3333 times:

Hi.

Thought it is better that we start a new thread.

Latest news is that Alonso have signed with Renault for a record salary.

Lets continue here.!!!


B747forever.


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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3326 times:

From the old thread:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 221):
But right now 2008 looks like it will be a complete farce. The opening races and what occurs will decide whether i bother to tune in or not after near 30 years of following the sport. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but i suspect i'll be proved right......

I think you're being overly paranoid. Sure, the Renault ruling borders on total farce, but I just don't see Ferrari doing anything to hurt Massa's chances of winning the world championship in any way unless he is many points behind Kimi after a few races. Even when Barichello was a clear number 2 behind Schumi, Rubens had the exact same equipment and every opportunity to put himself in a position to win races (minus the occasional team ordered pullover), but he rarely did because MS was much faster than him. In Felipe's case, Kimi is probably slightly more consistent but definitely no quicker, so I think we're going to see the same sort of situation we had this year, with both of them taking poles and winning regularly and the driver with the most points with a race or two left being favored by the team. If Massa does a good job next year, they won't get rid of him in favor of Alonso. Why would they? That would be a collosal waste of money, as they'd be paying a much higher salary just to get a driver who is probably no better than Felipe, and someone that may not even get along with Kimi while there is a great professional relationship between their 2 current drivers. I expect both of them to remain with Ferrari until at least 2010, and Alonso to remain at Renault where he will get soundly beaten by Mclaren, BMW, and Ferrari next year.

The racing next year will be fantastic, I'm sure of it, unless Ferrari pulls an F2004 card out of their hat and builds a world beater. I'm a huge Ferrari fan, but everyone knows that would be awful for the sport, especially after such a great year in 2007 on the track. I really think BMW, Ferrari, Mclaren, and Renault will all have race winning cars, and I have my fingers crossed that Toyota and Red Bull can make some big steps forward too.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3324 times:

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/12/11/the-silly-season-continues/

A Nice breakdown of all the Drivers for Next year...

However F1-live seems to believe that Kovalainen is still looking at Toyota for a seat...and the list does not include R. Schumacher.


We'll see what happens.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3314 times:



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 1):
but I just don't see Ferrari doing anything to hurt Massa's chances of winning the world championship in any way unless he is many points behind Kimi after a few races. Even when Barichello was a clear number 2 behind Schumi, Rubens had the exact same equipment and every opportunity to put himself in a position to win races (minus the occasional team ordered pullover), but he rarely did because MS was much faster than him. In Felipe's case, Kimi is probably slightly more consistent but definitely no quicker, so I think we're going to see the same sort of situation we had this year, with both of them taking poles and winning regularly and the driver with the most points with a race or two left being favored by the team. If Massa does a good job next year, they won't get rid of him in favor of Alonso. Why would they? That would be a collosal waste of money, as they'd be paying a much higher salary just to get a driver who is probably no better than Felipe, and someone that may not even get along with Kimi while there is a great professional relationship between their 2 current drivers. I expect both of them to remain with Ferrari until at least 2010, and Alonso to remain at Renault where he will get soundly beaten by Mclaren, BMW, and Ferrari next year.

Here in Europe, pretty well every seasoned F1 observer believes Alonso will be driving a Ferrari in 2009 - thats why his contract has an exit clause after one year. Its well known that de Montezemelo wants Alonso and Kimi as his dream pairing. Remember that Massa is seen as being in the Todt camp. It would be unfair on Massa for sure but unless he absolutely blitzes 2008, he's likely to be out of a Ferrari seat at year end. Kimi is now settled at Ferrari so I don't expect him to have the poor first half he did this season.

You say Alonso is no better than Massa but i disagree. While Alonso has gone a long way down in my estimation after his antics at McLaren, most F1 people agree that despite all the silly mind games, he produced probably the best two drives of any driver last season when he blitzed everybody in Italy (during the depths of the spy scandal) and hunted down Massa to win at the Nurburgring. With Scumacher gone, there was no other driver on the grid who could have won those races in that manner this year (althoguh i expect Hamilton to in future). As I said he's really gone down in my estimation this year, but i acknowledge he is still one hell of a driver when in the mood. Thats what made the silly games so annoying - he didn't need to do it. Had he not psyched himself out against Hamilton and made silly mistakes he would likely have been world champion instead of Kimi.

You mention Reubens and equipment at Ferrari. Well he was there for a few years and so of course he got the same equipment. But he was never going to look like he would beat Michael over a season and played a good No.2. The last thing Ferrari would want would be to have Massa take the No.1 to another team in 2009.

And if you don't think that a team would get rid of a new world champion for another driver then look to past years. Schumacher was forced into a corner to retire while battling for the championship because of Kimi's signing. Williams announced they'd be replacing Damon Hill midseason the year he was champion, with Frentzen. Mansell at Williams too the year he was Champ (by Prost for the next season).

Maybe i am being overly paranoid but recent events over this last season give me good reason to look at things this way. Ferrari were allowed to keep the results of a win by an illegal car that was protested. illegal fuel in Brazil would normally be punished, Mclaren and Renault spy verdicts, the FIA threatening journalists with court for negatively reporting them, the list goes on.......

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/12/11/the-silly-season-continues/

A Nice breakdown of all the Drivers for Next year...

However F1-live seems to believe that Kovalainen is still looking at Toyota for a seat...

Well if he doesn't get the McLaren seat he's fast running out of options.

Its also worth noting that Super Aguri may not make it to the first race. They have big financial troubles and are shedding staff. Honda may not help to bail them out, having enough troubles of their own to deal with.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3307 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 2):
However F1-live seems to believe that Kovalainen is still looking at Toyota for a seat

Think that is true. Kovalainen needs more than just one option. But his prime choose is of course McLaren.



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3303 times:



Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
Thought it is better that we start a new thread.

Are you using a 50K dial-up modem or what!?

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
Honda may not help to bail them out, having enough troubles of their own to deal with.

They sure have a lot of work to do, but I really think it will go in the right direction now when Brawn have joined them. Now they can invest the money they have where it is needed.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
Here in Europe, pretty well every seasoned F1 observer believes Alonso will be driving a Ferrari in 2009 - thats why his contract has an exit clause after one year. Its well known that de Montezemelo wants Alonso and Kimi as his dream pairing. Remember that Massa is seen as being in the Todt camp. It would be unfair on Massa for sure but unless he absolutely blitzes 2008, he's likely to be out of a Ferrari seat at year end. Kimi is now settled at Ferrari so I don't expect him to have the poor first half he did this season.

I also think that Massa is now under pressure to perform against him team mate, who also is the champ. Massa is not in a good position in regards to that. All new gadgets etc. will first be on Kimis car. Massa have experience with this already from the time with Schumi, so I can not really see him being to happy about it.

Kimi is also allowed to test the new car from day 1 this season. 2006 he needed to wait until his contract ended with Mclaren. Another big advantage for him.

Alonso going to Ferrari. Well, I think it all boils down to how the 2008 season develops. Lets say he is being offered a seat for 2009 later next year, and he is fighting for the title. Would he still go? Would he gain anything? Makes me wonder.


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User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3291 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Think that is true. Kovalainen needs more than just one option. But his prime choose is of course McLaren

McLaren have in indicated that will be either Pedro de la Rosa or Gary Pafffett according to the current edition of Autosport.


User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

While not directly related to the F1 off season, i found it quite funny.

Schumacher: Germany's fastest taxi driver

Michael Schumacher may well be the fastest taxi driver in Germany after the seven-times world champion shocked a cab driver by taking over the wheel in order to be on time for a flight.

Schumacher, 38, flew into the aerodrome at the Bavarian town of Coburg on Saturday and took a taxi to the village of Gehuelz, 30 kilometres away, to pick up a new puppy - an Australian Shepherd dog called "Ed".

But when the former Formula One ace, plus his wife and two children, caught a taxi back to the airport they were short on time and, afer a polite request, cab driver Tuncer Yilmaz watched in wonder as Schumacher took the wheel.

"I found myself in the passenger seat, which was strange enough, but to have "Schumi" behind the wheel of my cab was incredible," Mr Yilmaz told the Muenchner Abendzeitung.

"He drove at full throttle around the corners and over-took in some unbelievable places."

Mr Yilmaz was well rewarded for the unusual journey - on top of the 60 euros (88 US dollars) fare, he was also given a 100 euros (146 US dollars) tip.

Schumacher's spokesperson Sabine Kehm later confirmed the story.

The German track ace, who now lives in Switzerland, retired from Formula One in 2006 after a glittering career and, despite test drives for his old team Ferarri, has insisted there is no chance of a return to racing.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=334923



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3271 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 5):
Are you using a 50K dial-up modem or what!?

No. But maybe other use a 50K dial-up modem, so it is better to start a new thread.

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 6):
McLaren have in indicated that will be either Pedro de la Rosa or Gary Pafffett according to the current edition of Autosport.

Damn, I really hope for Kovalainen.

Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 7):
Schumacher: Germany's fastest taxi driver

LOL. But it was a really nice tip.



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User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3269 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
LOL. But it was a really nice tip.

I would have settled with a video or a photo of what happened.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3269 times:



Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 9):
I would have settled with a video or a photo of what happened.

True, but maybe the cab driver didn't have any camera with him. How would he know that Schumi was going to take him on a rid.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3249 times:



Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 7):

Schumacher: Germany's fastest taxi drive

My question is, Why was he rushing for a flight...I thought he had a Private Falcon 2000
hmmm..


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3241 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
My question is, Why was he rushing for a flight...I thought he had a Private Falcon 2000
hmmm..


Maybe he was not allowed to use it as the airo package was identical to another Falcon 2000!?
(He does have his own jet by the way)


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Fisichella seems to be getting disparate. He's come out saying he'll take a test spot with a top team.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Fisichella seems to be getting disparate. He's come out saying he'll take a test spot with a top team.

Erm not exactly - he said he'd consider it. I assume you picked that up off the F1 Live article

Here's Autosport's interpretation yesterday from the interview where he said his objective was to race with Force India next year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64359

Jeez I really don't know why anyone bothers using F1 Live. A bottom-feeding website that just trawls around picking up stories from others, after everyone else has reported it.  

[Edited 2007-12-13 04:18:33]


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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3213 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Fisichella seems to be getting disparate. He's come out saying he'll take a test spot with a top team.

Not much else to choose from if you ask me. Although a bad car, he didn't really shine lat season.


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3209 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
He's come out saying he'll take a test spot with a top team.

'

Wonder if he even will get a test seat with a top team????



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3200 times:

mclaren have released an apology stating among other things that ferrari information was more widely disseminated through the team, and that development has stopped on three seperate systems of the 2008 car. Good on them for apologizing, but i can't help but wonder how much more we will find out about how much they know and used.

http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2967838,00.html


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3193 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 17):

Really good by McLaren to apologize, but I wonder why it have taken so long time. They should do this weeks ago.


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071213163522.shtml

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 17):
but i can't help but wonder how much more we will find out about how much they know and used.

True. Feels little late to apologize now. Maybe they are ding this now to hide something???



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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Just curious... anyone still think it was unfair for the FIA to have excluded Mclaren from the 2007 constructor's championship? I know before the facts came out plenty of people were saying that it was just a pro-ferrari witchhunt with unfounded claims, but I think it has become quite clear by now that they did indeed breech the rules in a major way and did not deserve to win the constructor's title. On a related note, I still think Renault should have been punished in some way too, do you guys think the integrity of the sport is more important than the participation of one major constructor? Apparently Renault made it clear that if they were given a heavy penalty a la Mclaren, they would withdraw from Formula 1, and that certainly was a factor in the FIA's decision whether they admit it or not. It's great to have Renault in the series, but it's also a shame to see the FIA's integrity further damaged by not punishing them.

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
Just curious... anyone still think it was unfair for the FIA to have excluded Mclaren from the 2007 constructor's championship?

I don't think they should have been Excluded..Docked Points, and Fined would have been good enough....However I still feel that Ferrari should have been punished as well...

And I still feel that Renault should be punished as well...McLaren went ahead and told the FIA when they found out they had some issues...and they got punished heavily....Renault Tells the FIA they had all this data too...and get away scott free..

Its not fair and its not Ethical.


As a McLaren fan, I appreciate the letter of Apology.

In Other F1 News...

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071213174731.shtml

the Second Driver for McLaren should be known within a week.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 20):
I don't think they should have been Excluded..Docked Points, and Fined would have been good enough....However I still feel that Ferrari should have been punished as well...

And I still feel that Renault should be punished as well...McLaren went ahead and told the FIA when they found out they had some issues...and they got punished heavily....Renault Tells the FIA they had all this data too...and get away scott free..

Its not fair and its not Ethical.

[checkmark} Couldn't agree more.

There needs to be more consistency. and allowing Ferrari to have a say in the proceedings that decide whether McLaren's 2008 car contains Ferrari data is going to prove to be a complete nightmare at the start of the new season.....



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3180 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 20):
the Second Driver for McLaren should be known within a week.

That is great, cant wait!!!!

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
anyone still think it was unfair for the FIA to have excluded Mclaren from the 2007 constructor's championship?

No, I think it was fair. They used the info, then they need to get punished. But I think it is unfair that Renault didn't get any punishment.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

More light on the McLaren Saga....and hopefully an end to it all

Apparently...FIA might be deciding to drop their February meeting with McLaren...

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071213195034.shtml


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3174 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 23):
Apparently...FIA might be deciding to drop their February meeting with McLaren...

If that is true, I think that we will see a end on this spy saga, Would be great for all.



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25 ScrubbsYWG : damn, they redacted EVERYTHING in the FIA report on the scrutineering of the mclaren car. its painful to read, i just wish we got the whole thing, but
26 Post contains images StealthZ : Having read much of the media reporting on the latest developments in the McLaren Spygate saga I can only wonder how this turn of events developed. Di
27 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : Heikki is in as the other mclaren driver... http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2973652,00.html
28 Post contains links B747forever : Finally!!! That is great news. Lets hope that he will succeed with McLaren. Here you have the article from f1-lve: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headli
29 Cornish : A good decision for both parties. McLaren get a young quick driver, who is also easy going and not likely to rock the boat in the way Alonso did. Kova
30 Post contains links and images Legoguy : Fecking Brilliant Made my day. I would love to see Heikki outpacing the Renaults next year. I came across this article which puts forward the possible
31 B747forever : It wouldn't surprise me also, if Hamilton get the status as number 1 and Hekki as number 2. Will this be the first time McLaren have a no 1 and no2 d
32 Post contains links B747forever : Interesting interview with Hekki: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071214170116.shtml
33 Cornish : Common knowledge. It was felt that Heikki would'nt be an ideal partner for Alonso by either Alonso or Flavio. Mind you last time he had a complete ro
34 B747forever : But he will have a rookie as team mate next season also.
35 Scbriml : Well, about [redacted expletive] time! The FIA really [redacted expletive] me off with their [redacted expletive] biased [redacted expletive] support
36 Cornish : I think you misunderstood my English. My point was last time he had a rookie team mate.... (look what happened). I hope that's the end of the saga, b
37 Legoguy : Strangely enough, before now, I had never really thought of the reason why Renault dumped him, I was just happy he was most likely moving to McLaren.
38 B747forever : Okey, I see. True, but it will never happen, because Renault will not let him doing it.
39 Cornish : The general view based on their careers so far, especially in GP2 was that Piquet could be utterly dominant when he had the car absolutely right and
40 B747forever : He will be forced to do that. He will never be able to do a Lewis Hamilton debut. Remember that Alonso is the first driver and that he is the second
41 Cornish : Yes but he doesn't have to like it. And he can be a second driver and sit right on Alonso's ass without actually overtaking in order to make his poin
42 BlueElephant : If thats the truth...Then I have two thoughts on the matter. A. Eyebrow man's a real wimp, and wants a clear shot at a title....and I hope he's surpr
43 B747forever : Agree with you. He will not be able to do a first season as Hamilton did. But even if he dislike it, he needs to follow the contract. and it says tha
44 Cornish : There are instances in the past of drivers who have ignored contracts. Rene Arnoux's winning of the French GP ahea dof Alain Prost in renaults being
45 B747forever : That is true, but do he dare to do that.??? That is his only chance!!! Can just imagine how angry Post was after that!!!!
46 Cornish : Who knows? But look at it another way. Its impossible to be quite so dutiful in qualifying. Given he would get comparable equipment, he just needs to
47 B747forever : Bingo!!! There we have it. In the qualifying he can show how fast he is, and there he can beat Alonso.
48 Post contains images Andaman : Congrats Kovalainen, he's great driver and such a nice person, compairing to grumpy Raikkonen. Kovalainen will be the fourth Finnish McLaren-driver, t
49 Post contains images Pyh : Absolutely great for Heikki. Can't wait for the next season.
50 Post contains images B747forever : So will you follow the F1 season next year because of Hekki driving for McLaren, or are you a F1 fan??? Dont say that!!!
51 Pyh : I have followed it many years, but the next season will now be obviously particularly interesting.
52 Post contains images B747forever : Okey, I see. Agree with you, next season will be really exciting. Hope it will be as good as it was this season, and hope for Kimi win the WDC again.
53 Post contains images Nosedive : Sounds like a good push to the side from FA could shake his confidence. Heh, you're one to talk, young man. Max really wants to drag Dennis through t
54 Jamesbuk : Guys - Some of you love the V10's right? Well I have V10 F1 car audio on my PC, a good 70 minutes worth everything from sitting in the pitland revving
55 Sudden : Great news! The way HK developed last year have brought him this seat. Very good. I for one think he will be able to challenge Hamilton. Why? Well, HK
56 Egmcman : Good luck to him McLaren have a history of employing Finnish drivers. Hopefully we will see Red Bull, Honda and Williams battling for podiums next se
57 B747forever : And that will make it even more exciting.!! Think that Williams with Rosberg will have the biggest chance for podiums.
58 Post contains images LTU932 : Wouldn't that be a déjà vu experience for Flavio Briatore. That story reminds me of this advert for sunglasses with Schumacher behind the wheel of
59 Post contains images Bill142 : It's no surprise that Kovalinen got the drive at McLaren. He was really the best option on the market. I wonder how much Renault data he's bringing ac
60 Post contains images Scbriml : Any data he does bring with him would probably look fairly familiar to McLaren. Does kind of make you wonder what drives Ferarri.
61 StealthZ : "Ferrari to press ahead with legal action " But they would, typical of the self centred twats that manage FIAT now. The sport is moving on.. why not t
62 Post contains links Sudden : Totally something else, but now I know why I do not read F1-live.com! http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071215092816.shtml LOL! Is thi
63 B747forever : This is not so wrong, it concern a F1 driver, therefore they write about it. But it doesnt interest me.
64 Bill142 : It's something that belongs in a trashy tabloid. So who thinks Ron Dennis is going to be forced out? I think there will be some people over in Stuttg
65 B747forever : Maybe some few, but I doubt that he will leave the team.
66 Post contains images Andaman : I think Finns love gossips and rumours like everybody else, but the Finnish culture encourages individuality and independence, to be a kind of focuse
67 Post contains images Cornish : Complete "bottom feeders" when it comes to reporting news. They just trawl up any old crap that has already been reported by everyone else. Must be g
68 Sudden : It's very wrong as it has nothing to do with F1. What an F1 driver does in his personal life is none of my business, and does not even interest me. J
69 Post contains images Cornish : So with the season now over and 2007 almost at an end I guess its time to vote for our favourites (or otherwise) for the season just gone. Here's some
70 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Good post, Cornish... I'd say it has to be Kimi, Hamilton had an amazing rookie season but his mistakes in China and Brazil really showed that he was
71 B747forever : even if Hamilton made a brilliant first season, I have to say Kimi. Not just because I am a fan of him, he really deserve this title. His first year
72 Post contains images Nosedive : Yet you''ll send us a story about Mass being married F1-live is a subscription based site. They have to produce something if they want revenue. 1. )
73 Tango29 : Ok here goes my views on last season..... 1) Driver of the year: Alonso wthout a doubt most consistent driver all season. 2) Team of the year: BMW, gr
74 B747forever : But I think that is little more interesting than this story. Why???
75 Legoguy : 1) Driver of the year: Kimi Raikkonen 2) Team of the year: Ferrari 3) Newcomer of the year: Lewis Hamilton 4) Disappointment of the year team: Honda a
76 Tango29 : It took him a few races to find his feet in a crap car he then regularly outscored his team mate in every race, he finished every race bar one last s
77 B747forever : Yes, it does.
78 Sudden : LOL! It is? Aim for the sky! Sudden
79 Post contains images Cornish : Well I thought he had a good season, given the problems of the Renault car, but some not so aware of what he had to deal with may have looked at his
80 B747forever : LOL
81 Post contains links and images Gkirk : Lewis Hamilton has had his driving licence suspended for a month by the French, for speeding http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...hamilton-drive-ban
82 B747forever : ' LOL. OMG this is so funny.
83 Post contains images Cornish : Nothing new. Jenson Button had the same happen a few years ago after getting caught speeding in a BMW. Mika Hakkinen nearly lost his racing licence i
84 B747forever : LOL. Didnt know that !!!
85 Sudden : He did 196 km/h and lost his license for a month!? Now that's a sweet deal actually. If this would have been here in Holland, you most likely have fo
86 Cornish : I remember seeing some interview with an F1 driver some years back (I forget who it was) where he was asked what his favourite road car was. He said
87 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Another little bit of trivia, back in Silverstone F1 GP like in 1999 or 2000, My dad was a cheffaur for a few people at stewart racing and he was dri
88 Post contains links and images B747forever : Schumi think that Vettel have the potential to win thew WDC: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071218174001.shtml I agree with Schumi;
89 Bill142 : I believe the 2007 car has a few more streaks of white and the obvious barcode subliminal branding. It's happened to a lot of drivers. I remember hea
90 Post contains images MIAspotter : LOL! In the Spanish TV they mentioned it and they say ¨Lewis has not yet blamed Alonso for that¨ MIAspotter
91 B747forever : LOL.!!! Will the Spaniards ever stop to blame Hamilton??? LOL.
92 Post contains links B747forever : Valencia GP hit problems: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071220094227.shtml Lets hope that this will not affect the Valencia GP. It
93 BlueElephant : I guess that's like in the US where the slightest thing happens... "There was an accident on the Highway today as a Truck toppled over, Police have c
94 LTU932 : " target=_blank>http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...shtml If they can't get their act together, then FIA has to schedule a replacement GP. How abo
95 B747forever : That is better than anything. Thought that they would have one race less.
96 LTU932 : That's not a fact, that's just my opinion. After all, the teams need to know the schedule to plan their trips to the racing venues. If a race is canc
97 B747forever : Okey, thought it was fact. That is true, FIA cant just change the race calender when ever they want.
98 StealthZ : They seem to be able to do almost anything else they want. Seriously though, they can in the case of "Force Majeure" change the schedule. It seems to
99 Post contains images B747forever : LOL!! We will for sure hear something soon, they will suspect Hamilton;
100 Post contains links B747forever : Opps, Alonso better you look behind your back; Piquet wants to beat Alonso: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071221100758.shtml
101 Bill142 : It will most likley be held at Ricardo Tomo circuit which is FIA approved. When you hear about testing in Valencia, this is the circuit in question.
102 Boeing74741R : Reminds me of ten years ago when the Portuguese Grand Prix was cancelled and replaced with a European Grand Prix at Jerez.
103 Post contains links B747forever : Pretty shocking; Mosley relieved that any of the McLaren drivers won the WDC: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071222141933.shtml I k
104 LTU932 : Yes, I remember about the problems in Estoril. Back then, the people there were having problems resurfacing the track every year to make it F1 ready.
105 StealthZ : In that story he says How is that a different question mark to a McLaren driver NOT winning the championship because the FIA was unable (unwilling pe
106 Bill142 : Probably because Max spent years at university studying Law and Psychiatry and Ron barely finished school and went straight into a mechanical apprent
107 Sudden : From one thing to the other, Merry X-mas and a Happy New Year guys! I find it really nice and interesting to discuss F1 with people that are just as a
108 B747forever : Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too and all other.!!! Kimi!!!!!!!!! True, it is really nice. And you learn really much also.
109 BA757 : Like wise.
110 Post contains links Sudden : About time to kick this dead horse alive again! Hope you all had a good and well deserved time off. I had for sure! Mclaren to reveal their 2008 conte
111 B747forever : That is great!! Will be interesting!!! Not much time til the first race!!!! Cant wait, I am so excited.!!!
112 Post contains links B747forever : Okey, we wont see Ralf in a F1 car this season; http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080102101354.shtml
113 BA757 : " target=_blank>http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...uary/ I thought they had decided not to bother with one? Car launches are nothing but a PR stu
114 Bill142 : Obviously someone kicked up a stink and wanted one.
115 Post contains links and images Bill142 : Ferrari will launch their 2008 car today http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64528 A sneak peak has been offered. Compared to last years car i
116 B747forever : Just wonder if this season,2008, will have the most GPs in F1s history?? It will be 18 race this year. And I wonder if it is some kind of limit on how
117 Bill142 : Yes there is. I believe it's 16 or 17. These extra races only occur with the consent of all the teams.
118 B747forever : Okey, I see. So the limit is around 16-17 GPs per season!!! Thank you.
119 Bill142 : The revised Concorde agreement may have upped the limit. I'm not sure.
120 Post contains links Springbok747 : Ferrari have unveiled their 2008 contender. It is heavier than the F2007. http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41549
121 ScrubbsYWG : the f2008 is not that much of a looker in my eyes. its pretty ugly overall IMO, but if it performs well, i will be happy. That front wing/nose is pret
122 Bill142 : But it's probably still built to be under 600kgs so it just means they'll have less ballast they can move around to bring it up to weight.
123 Flyboysp : Is it me or does there appear to be a new small air intake at the top of the front wing or is the black part merely part of the paint scheme.
124 StealthZ : It isn't you and it appeared on the F2007 during the '07 season! Cheers
125 ScrubbsYWG : A number of teams have had this little inlet for a couple years now. There were 19 Grands Prix in 2005
126 B747forever : That is true, think that it is the limit, the teams wont allow more GPs!!!
127 Bill142 : Bernie wants 20 or something. I believe the new concorde agreement allows for 20.
128 Cornish : They've talked in the past about removing Fridays from GP weekends, making them 2 day affairs and adding more GPs. Its on the backburnr for now, but
129 B747forever : Okey, interesting!! I really hope they dont remove the Fridays!!! That is true, but I really wish that USA come back soon!!!
130 Cornish : Why ?? It has absolutely zero relevence for the vast majority of F1 fans. All it is is an extended test session, that gives the teams the chance to s
131 B747forever : It is important for me because they can set the car perfectly for the whole race and qualifying. Think if the wouldn't have the chance to test differ
132 Jamesbuk : So you would a rather see all the cars set up perfectly rather than a few big teams maybe making mistakes and the race having a whole lot more action
133 B747forever : No, not exactly, but still I dont want to see teams guess which settings are the best one.
134 ScrubbsYWG : There is an abu dhabi one coming up in 09 i believe.
135 Sudden : I would say it would not make that much of a difference as all the teams have the telemetri and data for years back! They would be able to set up the
136 Post contains links Sudden : And here is the second Ferrari.....eh....I mean, Mclaren have presented their 2008 contender. http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/1/7231.html
137 MIAspotter : ROFLMAO! good one! I really like the new Ferrari (the real one not the silver one) and hope it does really good on the new season, and hopefully Feli
138 Post contains images Bill142 : " target=_blank>http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin....html Yeah it totally looks like the Ferrari Interesting to note that Bernie attended the laun
139 B747forever : Same for me!!! You are right. Massa have to show that he is not a "second driver" LOL!!! Cant agree more!!!
140 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Hamilton vows to return stronger Lewis Hamilton predicts he will have a strong Formula One season after the disappointment of the 2007 campaign. http:
141 Post contains images Bill142 : Yeah coming second in the world championship in your first season is a disappointment This kid really has an over inflated ego.
142 MadameConcorde : Whether we like him or not he has done a great 2007 season. He came really close to being world champion in his first F1 year. He has learned from his
143 Cornish : Well given that he was leading it with two races to go and threw away the chance to win it one race early in China, then yes i'd be disappointed if I
144 B747forever : Hope that he have learnt that he dont need to win every race if he leads the Champion!!! e.g China!!!
145 Bill142 : Probably so. But he talks as if the championship in 2008 is a sure thing. It might be a sure thing if it's anything but a McLaren, as I would expect
146 Cornish : I don't read it that way. I read it as someone who is out to show he can be better and stronger this year having learned a lot from his debut year. Y
147 Post contains images Scbriml : Are you serious? If anything, I would think Ron Dennis and everyone at McLaren will be straining everything (and then some) to win this year so they
148 B747forever : That is really true!! McLaren will this year try to win the Constructor Championship for every prize!!!
149 Post contains links Springbok747 : How long is Alonso expected to be at Renault? Only for 2008? I thought Flavio expected him to stay longer than that. Probably not. Ron Dennis has sai
150 BA757 : The new Mclaren looks a little bit odd without it's horns - I guess we have just got used to seeing them. Ha well they saw what having 'equal' driver
151 Bill142 : They were missing for the last few races of last season. The stabilising effect they provided was no longer needed due to an upgraded rear wing I thi
152 Jasondn : What is the official ruling regarding traction control? Is it banned for the 2008 season? I remember something about it, but not sure what the outcome
153 Bill142 : Yes. How do you come to that conclusion? Both Raikkonen and Massa have been racing during the TC generation. Both are probably more accustom to it th
154 Cornish : Fisichella is expected to be confirmed as the new Force India driver today, alongside Sutil. Liuzzi is expected to be test/third driver. Also it seems
155 Post contains images Jasondn : Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Michael Schumacher fan, but give credit where its due, he is awesome at car set up. I believe there is very few on
156 Bill142 : I think this would be performance based. Logic would tell you that it would be linked to the teams performance. eg if they win a championship capable
157 Post contains images Jasondn : lol.......true, sorry!
158 B747forever : That is true, think that the contract is performance based!!!
159 Post contains images Cornish : Here's the new Toyota. Expect more of the same in 2008 as every other year.....
160 Post contains links and images BA757 : Prodrive abandon F1 plans for now Prodrive have all but abandoned plans to enter Formula One, in the wake of continued resistance to the introduction
161 Post contains links Springbok747 : Actually Ferrari have said MS is their 'third' driver. And Kimi is expected to stay beyond 2009. So does this mean bye-bye Massa next year..and hello
162 Nosedive : Sutil considers Jordan v3.0 a homecoming. It'll be interesting watching the lapped car battle...you know, since Albers won't be taking fuel hoses wit
163 Post contains images Bill142 : No it's radically different. The wing supports come out from the sides rather than straight below Oh, I thought you had too much vino and were being
164 B747forever : That is sad, would be brilliant to have another F1 team!!! That sounds brilliant. But it will not be good with a Kimi/Alonso combination!!!!
165 Post contains images StealthZ : Call this my tip for 2008/09 or just my worth! The Renault will NOT be the championship dominating car Flavio has no doubt promised Alonso. Piquet wil
166 B747forever : Agree with you here!!! Alonso will get a hard time!!!
167 Bill142 : He could be contractually obliged to. It's happened before.
168 Springbok747 : True. But if he keeps acting like that, I think he'll have a hard time if he moves to Ferrari. There is no way even the 'iceman' will tolerate Alonso
169 B747forever : No one will tolerate Alonso if he continue to act as bad as he did last season!!!
170 StealthZ : Didn't his dad have one of those contracts? Didn't mean that much to him either!
171 Post contains images BA757 : Not on a weekday!
172 Bill142 : I don't know did he? I was referring to the situation with Eddie Irvine and Rubens with MS at Ferrari.
173 BA757 : I gotcha, if that is worth 'owt. Don't be so sure... The guy is immensely talented. As a Britt I have* to support Hamilton, but all that aside, Alons
174 StealthZ : Or one could take the opposing view that Mclaren had two championships pissed away by at least part of the driving team's inability to accept that th
175 ScrubbsYWG : why is it exactly bad for f1? Why should prodrive be able to come in and buy mclaren's chassis and presumably do well with a top chassis when there a
176 Nosedive : More teams, more variables on the track, etc. Personally, I find the skyrocketing costs of even having an F1 team far worse than the spec side of it.
177 ScrubbsYWG : i think a spending limit and some energy recovery would be great. but i dont think teams should be able to buy other team's tech. it ruins the spirit
178 B747forever : True, but if Alonso have a so bad behaviour that he had with McLaren, no team will dare to contract him with a other driver that is capable to beat A
179 Bill142 : It's not bad for F1 per se, but it just shows that the FIA need to stop going around trying to control things they have no control over. Most of the
180 Post contains links and images Cornish : And here is the new BMW and here is the news story on BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7187284.stm
181 Post contains links Sudden : Testing in Jerez; http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/1/7260.html Alonso, Hamilton, and others, did not do any laps at all. Aim for the sky! S
182 B747forever : hmm, wonder why?? True, but sadly!!
183 MIAspotter : I still wonder why people keep believing Alonso misbehaved last year, I mean, yes he may have played a little part but McLaren was not angel either.
184 StealthZ : No, McLaren were apparently not angels but Alonso's petulance and attempts at blackmail were to me quite unbecoming! Especially his blackmail attempt
185 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Heh, and you wouldn't happen to be an Alonso fan, would you? Why? Didn't Sauber buy Ferrari engines for years and years? What about the Redbull teams
186 MIAspotter : Hah! me? no I am a Ferrari Fan. But all the grief the press (specially the british one) gives Alonso sometimes gets on my nerves, and before you star
187 Bill142 : While Lewis portrayed the innocent one in all of this, I reckon behind the scenes he played more of a hand in everything then people probably realise
188 B747forever : He is back!!!!
189 StealthZ : That may be but I tend to think the sample is a trifle small to jump to any sweeping conclusions. One has no idea the configurations that any team wa
190 Nosedive : Meh, it was more Mario's point, but I kinda agree with him. See, here's a possible scenario. McLaren, or someone else, sets up a subsidiary well outs
191 Post contains images Bill142 : I know they're Mario's points, I was just to lazy to quote the article directly
192 Nosedive : In that case, beer for everyone! ..save New Zealand
193 Sudden : Indeed! This is pure testing, and even "worse", they are testing the new cars, so nothing can be said really. Does anyone know where to find last yea
194 StealthZ : Even that is pretty meaningless, we have no idea of configs. Won't see how far off until Melbourne and likely later to get a meaningful idea, my tip,
195 B747forever : That is true, we wont know so much before Melbourne!!!
196 Post contains links Bill142 : Budget caps are in for 2009. Finally a good move by Max. Shame everyone else had to come up with the idea first. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.
197 Scbriml : It will be a good move if 1) the teams agree 2) the cap is sufficiently low to enable the smaller teams to compete more effectively - a high cap woul
198 Nosedive : You and me ought to sue for intellectual property damage.
199 Post contains images Sudden : And get a 100 million dollar fine!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
200 Post contains links Legoguy : Rotten! Just my luck. Whilst I was sitting my exam today (cough cough and failing it cough) Lewis Hamilton visited my little old city of Belfast. He w
201 Post contains links Bill142 : Apparently if the teams don't agree it's going to be enforced with what the FIA think is a suitable amount. Yeah sounds like a good idea to me, Yeah,
202 Sudden : Will he be able to live up to it as well? Well, I think he will have his hands full now with his new team mate. On the other hand, so young in F1 and
203 Boeing74741R : It's all in his hands now and good on him for securing a long-term contract. Having said that though he is now under pressure to deliver (ideally to
204 Egmcman : Jenson has been unfortunate in that most of cars he's driven were not the best in the paddock.
205 B747forever : Wow, that is a really long contract!! So we will see a Hamilton-McLaren era!!!
206 Post contains links Nosedive : well, we do have another voice of support for caps: Horner and RBR Interesting developments: So, the main areas of interest for a cap would be aero,
207 StealthZ : No real surprise there but hardly relevant as it would almost be a given that they would ignore such caps anyway. Get away with it as well in all lik
208 Bill142 : Not really. Had he stayed with Williams beyond 2000 I think things would have been different. Williams decided that Juan Pablo Montoya was the driver
209 Post contains links B747forever : Kimi says that the new Ferrari is better than the F2007, especially in slow turns; http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080119094622.shtm
210 Boeing74741R : Yes that is true, but I think the worst decision of his career was to buy himself out of the contract he had signed to return to Williams, that was w
211 Post contains links B747forever : Continue here please; F1: Off Season Thread 4 (by B747forever Jan 20 2008 in Non Aviation)
212 Post contains links Nosedive : Well, Honda had a brilliant 2004 season, with JB nabbing 10 podiums. !'m good with 3.
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