AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 8758 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
As a deafie, I have to comment on this. Typos are very common these days with closed captioners. They use a court reporting steno machine to close caption tv shows, news or what have you. The quality of captioning these days is not very good anymore and there is not much that can be done about it. It varies from captioner to captioner.
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Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1466 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
I see TV from the US all the time and I guess I agree on this......while I have never seen something as amusing as this before, it is very common to see that the CC cuts or flat out skips words.
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AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 8758 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 7): the j and v are so far apart on a keyboard
Dude, its on a steno captioning machine. The keys are not a regular computer keyboard. Here is an example of what captioners use for this type of work....
My captioner, who captioned for me at my A&P school, is also a NCI certified captioner for tv programs and she uses the same machine.
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USAFHummer From United States, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 60 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 832 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12): Captioning isn't perfect. The captioners are human, they make mistakes too. Do some of you think that captioning is done by itself? It isn't.
When a show is taped months in advance like Jeopardy! is, the captioners are not under any pressure relative to live shows such as news broadcasts...therefore they have plenty of time before the show airs to review their work to ensure that mistakes don't slip through...
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Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 828 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
Captioning isn't perfect. The captioners are human, they make mistakes too. Do some of you think that captioning is done by itself? It isn't.
When it is taped months in advance, there is no excuse for typos in Closed Captioning.
Lincoln From United States, joined Nov 2004, 3613 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 698 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3): The quality of captioning these days is not very good anymore and there is not much that can be done about it. It varies from captioner to captioner
For a live newscast, there are all sorts of variables that affect captioning -- the speed at which the person is speaking, background noise, accents, terminology. I had a nice conversation with one of the execs at Captions Colorado who does (did?) a large amount of the news captioning a few years ago and he also mentioned that the goal was to convey _intent_ and _meaning_ not necessarially be a word-for-word transcription of the events.
Also, steneography (if I'm remembering what I learned in hgh school correctly) is a phonetic rather than alphabet based system which means that the captioned word will appear as it is -heard- rather than as it is -spelled- (e.g. it's not unusual to see "cousin" show up as "cuz and")
Real Time Captioning beats the hell out of Electronic Newsroom Captioning, though (ENC uses the text from the teleprompter to generate the captions, which means that most live or adlibed segments/stories/banter will not be captioned since they aren't in the teleprompter. The FCC requires realtime captioning (and prohibits ENC) outside of "small" markets.
Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 13): When a show is taped months in advance like Jeopardy! is, the captioners are not under any pressure relative to live shows such as news broadcasts...therefore they have plenty of time before the show airs to review their work to ensure that mistakes don't slip through...
The problem with unscripted pre-taped stuff is there's still a limited amount of time (and a limited number of captioners) -- captioner doesn't go into work in the morning going "Ok, I have 8 hours to caption this one episode of Jeopardy...let's make it perfect..." -- they do have other programs that need to be turned around, as well, and I would strongly suspect that once the captioning is done they never think about that particular episode adain.
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AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 8758 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 692 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 15): For a live newscast, there are all sorts of variables that affect captioning -- the speed at which the person is speaking, background noise, accents, terminology. I had a nice conversation with one of the execs at Captions Colorado who does (did?) a large amount of the news captioning a few years ago and he also mentioned that the goal was to convey _intent_ and _meaning_ not necessarially be a word-for-word transcription of the events.
Also, steneography (if I'm remembering what I learned in hgh school correctly) is a phonetic rather than alphabet based system which means that the captioned word will appear as it is -heard- rather than as it is -spelled- (e.g. it's not unusual to see "cousin" show up as "cuz and")
Real Time Captioning beats the hell out of Electronic Newsroom Captioning, though (ENC uses the text from the teleprompter to generate the captions, which means that most live or adlibed segments/stories/banter will not be captioned since they aren't in the teleprompter. The FCC requires realtime captioning (and prohibits ENC) outside of "small" markets.
Dude, did you even bother to read ANY of my posts?? My captioner from my A&P school is a certified NCI captioner. She was on-site captioning for ALL of my classes for me, for two years. You do not need to expain it to me, I already know all of this stuff! Thanks though, but you just wasted bandwidth space to explain something to me that I already know. Geez.
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Mir From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 12107 posts, RR: 62 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 662 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17): Dude, did you even bother to read ANY of my posts?? My captioner from my A&P school is a certified NCI captioner. She was on-site captioning for ALL of my classes for me, for two years. You do not need to expain it to me, I already know all of this stuff! Thanks though, but you just wasted bandwidth space to explain something to me that I already know. Geez.
On the other hand, those of us who may not have had a clue about that sort of thing got a little more information. Relax.
Lincoln From United States, joined Nov 2004, 3613 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 634 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 17): Thanks though, but you just wasted bandwidth space to explain something to me that I already know. Geez.
How could I have been so stupid... of course, you're the only person reading this thread and I should have known you know everything about the process involved in captioning a newscast even though your posts only reference your expreience with one captioner in a completely different environment. Geez is right.
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JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 2832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 588 times:
Why not use a voice recognition software? It would be relatively easy to train the people who speak frequently to be understood by the program. I know I have used voice recognition a few times and it's great for stuff like this.
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