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Mitchell Report Due Tomorrow  
User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

So, Senator Mitchell's report on performance enhancing drugs in MLB is due tomorrow and rumor has it that there are 50 active and retired players on the list. I also have read that some of them are current free agents, which will make things interesting for off season signings. Who do you think is on the list? It seems like there are always tons of guys that you don't know who are always getting caught, so we will see lots of those. Here are my guesses of some the big names we might see:

Current Players:
Barry Bonds
Sammy Sosa
Roger Clemens
Jason Giambi (admitted)

Past Players (depending on how far they go back)
Jose Canseco (admitted)
Mark McGwire
Jeff Bagwell
Rafael Palmeiro (failed drug test)
Ken Caminiti (admitted, deceased)

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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

It will be release today at 2pm ET, expect to see All-Stars, MVPs, even Hall-of-Fame caliber players named.

ESPN is doing like 5 hours of coverage on this

Apologies, but the morbid curiosity portion of me can't wait to find out.

Oh, Players Association, quit whining about not getting an advanced copy of the report...what did you expect, seeing how you refused to cooperate in the investigations?



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

I wouldn't be surprised that the likes of Andruw Jones, Roger Clemens, Eric Gagne, and several other players whose statistics suddenly spiked up in the last 15 years get implicated. It appears that ESPN Radio talk show host Colin Cowherd's hunch based on unusual spike in performance stats was correct--players with these spikes were likely users of various forms of steriods and human growth hormone.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 2):
several other players whose statistics suddenly spiked up in the last 15 years get implicated.

Well, how many players are there in the league that were around 15 years ago?


Anyways, ROGER CLEMENS is on the list!!




Where are those pesky asterisk people?

EDIT: source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071213/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_mitchell_report

[Edited 2007-12-13 08:04:35]


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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Do you think this will trigger deeper investigation into the use of steroids in the other major leagues?

YOWza



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1358 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
Do you think this will trigger deeper investigation into the use of steroids in the other major leagues?

Not really. The other leagues were much better about testing, imo.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Possible leaked list here: http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-t...st-of-players-mentioned-333479.php

OOOOOOH man!! It's like... Christmas morning.



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User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

The biggest surprise to me on the unofficial list is Mark Prior. The biggest surprise of someone not on the list is probably Tejada. After Palmiero blamed him for his positive test he got. Good news for the Astros.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1336 times:



Quoting COrocks (Reply 7):
The biggest surprise of someone not on the list is probably Tejada.

He is on the list. They messed up the alphabetical order.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Today is the day baseball might die. It won't, because people remain stupid to just throw their money at it, but the game is corrupted for all time. Records mean nothing now.

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

Not really. The other leagues were much better about testing, imo.

Yes and no. Other leagues are better about either covering it up or dealing with violations. How the NBA doesn't have a bigger problem is beyond me.


User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1329 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
He is on the list. They messed up the alphabetical order.

Crap - I missed it. Wishful thinking I guess.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Possible leaked list here: http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-t...f-players-mentioned-333479.php

I don't see LaMarr Hoyt's name on the list.

Wrong drugs...nevermind.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1324 times:



Quoting COrocks (Reply 7):
The biggest surprise to me on the unofficial list is Mark Prior.

I'm not. He hasn't been able to remain healthy since the Cubs went deep into the playoffs...


User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1317 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
How the NBA doesn't have a bigger problem is beyond me.

I don't know why it would. I am not sure what advantage you would really get on the NBA court. Pure strength is not the most important characteristic for a NBA player. Plus, one of the side effects is decreased flexibility, which I think is very important in basketball.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1318 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
Anyways, ROGER CLEMENS is on the list!!




Where are those pesky asterisk people?

He is just as big of an ass as Barry Bonds..should get the same punishment baseball record wise as Bonds (if he gets any).


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

And...if that truly is the list...there is one surprise. For me anyway. I figured David Ortiz would be on it...

User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

It is going to be interesting to see if MLB does anything to the individual players over this. I am not sure they can suspend someone without a positive test result or very, very strong proof. I guess it depends on the evidence. I am sure the union is going ape-shit today.

I do expect further tightening of the rules and testing procedures because of the report.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1291 times:



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 15):
I figured David Ortiz would be on it...

Well, George Mitchell is on the board of directors for the Boston Red Sox, so maybe no surprise about Ortiz...



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1288 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
How the NBA doesn't have a bigger problem is beyond me.

They're too busy making babies...  wink 

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

report is out http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26442 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

MLB officials are already rejecting portions of Mitchell's report, saying that several of the people are confirmed non-users. Methinks Mitchell got lazy and just listened to whatever that talentless whiner Jason Grimsley told him

http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 2):
Eric Gagne, and several other players whose statistics suddenly spiked up in the last 15 years get implicated.

Gagne was converted from starter to closer when the Dodgers realized he was much better for a shorter period of time. That is why his numbers got so good



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

well, the PDF starting on page 194 is where he starts naming names. I didnt really read it all, but it looks like there is evidence in the form of canceled cheques and what not for a lot of the people...

those named include keving brown, gange, pettite, segui...


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1259 times:



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 12):

I'm not. He hasn't been able to remain healthy since the Cubs went deep into the playoffs...

Mark Prior and Kerry Wood (who showed up on the 'unofficial' list) are not in the Mitchell report



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User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1235 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
MLB officials are already rejecting portions of Mitchell's report, saying that several of the people are confirmed non-users.

The article you posted says nothing about MLB refuting the Mitchell report. It says they are refuting the leaked list that was floating around.

I am glad to see that Jeff Bagwell was not on the list. Although I still think he probably did it and just did not get caught.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26442 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1226 times:

Interesting that 2 guys talked about so many. It stinks of hyperbole.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 23):
I am glad to see that Jeff Bagwell was not on the list. Although I still think he probably did it and just did not get caught.

I don't necessarily think Bagwell did drugs. Just because someone was a great player doesn't make them a 'roid head.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 23):

The article you posted says nothing about MLB refuting the Mitchell report. It says they are refuting the leaked list that was floating around.

And who would have leaked the list.



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25 AA61Hvy : Ken Caminiti is on the list... Stealing a quote from Major League "This guy here is dead" ------ Why even drop his name when he is long gone?
26 Dragon-wings : Local sports radio station is saying this will keep Clemens out of the hall of fame. They also mentioned how he started in 2000 and they know why he t
27 N1120A : It is pretty sad how they keep his name around as one to throw around. Caminiti, who I was never a fan of because he spent his best years with the Do
28 WellHung : There's a shocker. They've been denying it's a problem for years, why change now? So Grimsley told him what the cancelled checks looked like (even th
29 WellHung : What's the big deal? He admitted using steroids - it's not like this is a revelation. The report isn't about individual players, it's about steroid u
30 COrocks : I am basing my opinion based on seeing him play for years as a Houston fan. I am not being blind to the signs just because I liked him as a player (k
31 Post contains images N1120A : Drug use. Caminiti's issues were related to long term alcoholism and cocaine abuse and he died due to acute overdose of cocaine and opiates. Steroids
32 WellHung : And you are aware that the report talks about general drug use and policies and their relation to the evolving steroid policy, right? B. Baseball’s
33 N1120A : Yes I am, though the focus is on Steroids and HGH.
34 AA61Hvy : I've found things like this tough to swallow; the guy can't defend himself, or contribute to the discussion. So I'm hoping Mitchell won't be pinning
35 Miamiair : (*) This lot can either come clean, or people will form their own opinions. Every single one of them should not be allowed to be enshrined in the HOF.
36 COrocks : He would have never played again. He could hardly throw the ball to home plate. His shoulder is totally gone. There is a big difference, but it is ha
37 N1120A : He could have ended up a DH in the AL. Actually, that can definitely happen from a combination of not lifting and not eating as much. My normal weigh
38 Halls120 : The first and most important thing MLB has to do is put testing in the hands of a third party with integrity. No more tipping off the teams two days
39 Gunsontheroof : I can't help but notice that a number of Bonds apologists that put up such a fuss over the legitimacy of his HR record and the asterisking of his "rec
40 LTBEWR : First of all, how much 'truth' is there in this report. Very few players would speak about their or others use of performance enhancing drugs (PED's)
41 D L X : Asterisk one, asterisk all. And I mean ALL of baseball. Look at that list, then note that Sen. Mitchell said this was an incomplete list. He said thi
42 AirframeAS : Maybe, but as long as Selig is around, I don't think so. Selig is too soft and all he cares about is revenue for the MLB. Selig is the main root of t
43 Pope : If Clemens and any of these other guys really want to establish that they're clean they should sue MLB and Mitchell's committee. Certainly this is at
44 COrocks : Not for $17 million a year, which was his contract at the time.
45 HuskyAviation : DLX, weren't you the one who argued that branding #756 with an asterisk was an abomination? This seems to be a little bit of a switch--to label every
46 D L X : Yes. Defacing _the ball_ is an abomination. Acknowledging that Bonds used steroids is just acknowledging fact. That's the difference I see. I've alwa
47 Bok269 : I watched the report from Betablue (TR to come) at FL340 somewhere over the midwest. Very sad indeed. I'm just hoping those that are named are in fact
48 HuskyAviation : Fair enough. As I think about it more, either all of these guys like Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmeiro get in the HOF, or all of them don't. At
49 PIA777 : All this report proves is that you still need natural abilities to play well. Some of those pitchers could not strike out a little leaguer and some of
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