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First President Of Europe In 2009  
User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

As you might know (or not know) ,today a new treaty was signed by all EU member-states which has far going consequences, one of them is that for the first time we will have a EU minister / secretary of foreign affairs and more importantly a real president starting in 2009.

So who do you want to see as the first EU president (and minister of foreign affairs), don't let nationality be the only determining factor, be creative.

For me I wouldn't mind T. Blair as the first EU president, he still is young enough and he might be acceptable for both the supporters for the EU and the more critical members.

Minister for foreign affairs would be good for the current commission president, the Portuguese ex PM J. Solano, he has some charisma, is a good diplomat and is multi linguistic.


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Well, if it's French or German, that would not be a surprise. Anything else would be a huge surprise.


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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Jeremy Clarkson. He'd make an excellent president. Richard Hammond could be the minister for foreign affairs, and James May could be their spin doctor.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3026 times:



Quoting ArniePie (Thread starter):
For me I wouldn't mind T. Blair as the first EU president, he still is young enough and he might be acceptable for both the supporters for the EU and the more critical members

What Tony B Liar the PM who could lie and cheat and still come up smelling of roses? In comparison his Government made the crooks in John Major's Government seem like angels. Bliar wanted to be portrayed as a Hollywood film star or a footballer like His Holyness Beckham, appealing to the masses, and acted like one rather than a politician.

And the sponging Cherrie DeVil as the first European lady, who bowed to Mugabe yet refused to curtsy to the Queen? The thought frightens me.

 duck 



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3031 times:



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Jeremy Clarkson. He'd make an excellent president. Richard Hammond could be the minister for foreign affairs, and James May could be their spin doctor.

Would definitely back that idea  Wink
Although would have to give The Stig a job as well... scratchchin 



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3026 times:



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Jeremy Clarkson. He'd make an excellent president

A good choice but Jeremy Clarkson loves life and cannot tolerate the PC brigade, the do-gooders, the idiots and others who make life a misery. He would be unpopular since he loves to burst their cosy, little bubbles.



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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Clarkson as president , that would be interesting indeed.
First point on the agenda would be a EU wide implementation of the German Autobahn rules Big grin



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

As long as the candidates don't include those from the current SPD in Germany, Jacques Chirac, Silvio Berlusconi, Gerhard Schröder and Edmund Stoiber, anyone is fine by me. I'd like to see someone from the Nordic countries become EU President, so the whole thing doesn't become and all French-German affair.

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Quoting ArniePie (Reply 6):
First point on the agenda would be a EU wide implementation of the German Autobahn rules

 bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2007-12-13 11:24:53]

User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

My candidate would be Jean-Claude Juncker from Luxembourg.

In any case, the person I would vote for would have to be multilingual, cosmopolitan, socially liberal, irreligious, and with lots of experience in foreign affairs. No provincial, [insert whatever]-phobic, warmongering or senile politician from any country could ever be acceptable to me.


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

You guys can have George Dubya Bush. We won't need him here shortly  Smile


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2978 times:



Quoting ArniePie (Thread starter):
For me I wouldn't mind T. Blair as the first EU president, he still is young enough and he might be acceptable for both the supporters for the EU and the more critical members.

I think he'll be seen as too pro-US.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 4):
Would definitely back that idea Wink

ditto

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 4):
Although would have to give The Stig a job as well... scratchchin

Minister of Transportation?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
Well, if it's French or German, that would not be a surprise. Anything else would be a huge surprise.

Looking at the actual history of the EU, that surprise of yours has primarily to do with your rather skewed expectations (see any other EU thread).

The EU has always awarded senior positions to representatives of the smaller countries as well, even far beyond any proportionality of their population counts.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

There is an IHT article about problems and apathy in today's Italian society. Seems like an EU president could help Italy with its economic problems, and Italians are so fed up, they just might listen. It seems they do not trust their own leaders (and never have, much).

The EU seems to be a great development overall. There are so many good things about Europe that can be nurtured by a modern framework.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting ArniePie (Thread starter):
For me I wouldn't mind T. Blair as the first EU president

Totally unelectable after the Iraq invasion. Making him a special envoy to the middle east is exactly as bizarre as it gets with him.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Jeremy Clarkson. He'd make an excellent president.

I don't know, really, as entertaining as it might be (for a few hours at least).

Someone whose maxim is "how hard can it be?" may still need a bit more experience for a job like that.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Richard Hammond could be the minister for foreign affairs,

His puppy dog eyes would certainly be an asset, but I think we'll need someone a little more grown-up after all...  innocent 

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
and James May could be their spin doctor.

He'd certainly make everybody comfortable, but may not be quite professional enough...  spit 

Quoting Toast (Reply 8):
My candidate would be Jean-Claude Juncker from Luxembourg.

He would be a very good choice for a start. He is highly experienced in european matters, highly regarded for being constructive and as impartial as one could hope in real life.

And he has often managed to create a workable compromise out of controversy, all the while never leaving the long-term course of Europe out of his sight.

I'd be on board with him.

Quoting Toast (Reply 8):
In any case, the person I would vote for would have to be multilingual, cosmopolitan, socially liberal, irreligious, and with lots of experience in foreign affairs. No provincial, [insert whatever]-phobic, warmongering or senile politician from any country could ever be acceptable to me.

Yep, all  checkmark .

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 9):
You guys can have George Dubya Bush. We won't need him here shortly

I'm sure we'll find a broom and a bucket for him somewhere...  mischievous 


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

This should be a real barn burner. I have a feeling somebody random will be picked as anyone who has held a high profile role in the past is too easy a target for those against him/her.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

So does this president have more power than the governments of member states, or is he like the Sec. Gen. of the UN?

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2831 times:



Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 9):
You guys can have George Dubya Bush. We won't need him here shortly

I would like to see this campaign slogan  Wink  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

You may want to remember that before there's any president the treaty would have be ratified by all States. When there's next going to be any type of government in Belgium is anybody's guess, and I suspect those who want a referendum on the treaty in Britain may still become the thorn in the side of this presidential roadshow.

Naturally, the citizens of the EU will be able to elect their EU President in a free and fair popular election, right?
(poster exits, in a cynical way)


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Is there going to be a shortlist and there is a TV programme on at the same time on the day of the election, where people phone in to vote and each country reveals their vote A la Eurovision?

:p

Just a thought...



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Me ! Me !  bouncy 

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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2713 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 8):
In any case, the person I would vote for would have to be multilingual, cosmopolitan, socially liberal, irreligious

So not English then.... Wink

I reckon Jacque Chirac will be. He'd like to be the chief mafiosi again I'm sure.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2711 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 18):
where people phone in to vote and each country reveals their vote A la Eurovision?

Royaume Uni - nul points !

 rotfl 


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2704 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):

You have my vote. Big grin

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 17):
Naturally, the citizens of the EU will be able to elect their EU President in a free and fair popular election, right?

 Big grin and I would definitely go Big grin  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2691 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 18):
Is there going to be a shortlist and there is a TV programme on at the same time on the day of the election, where people phone in to vote and each country reveals their vote A la Eurovision?

Well, the presidency would never leave eastern Europe in that case.  duck   wink 



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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Well Christoph Blocher is looking for a new job

On second thoughts maybe not.

[Edited 2007-12-15 07:47:10]

25 RJdxer : How about taking Arnold off our hands. He's wanted to be President of something for quite a few years now. He's too old to be a terminator anymore exc
26 Post contains images Klaus : Oh, shut up, Mini-Me, or there won't be any dessert for you! I doubt he can evade indictment long enough. In fact, hasn't he already been indicted by
27 UAL747 : AHH! You'll have all the evangelical Christians in the US screaming that this is a sign that the world is coming to an end. (One World Currency, One W
28 AerorobNZ : Yeah, Think he has too, but I reckon he'll be looking for any way to get diplomatic immunity he can, and he certainly has enough friends with a lot o
29 Rara : Everyone keep in mind that the president will only be the chair of the European Council, nothing more. He will prepare and convene the regular meeting
30 Post contains images LTU932 : HA! At least Germany would do better than Gracia did in the 05 Song Contest. Does he still have Austrian citizenship? I thought he may not have it an
31 Post contains images Nighthawk : the country with the least votes gets the wooden spoon and is kicked out of Europe for a year?
32 Paulc : How about Johan - after all he will be loooking for something to do having sold the site. Would put a bet on Tony (there are wmd in Iraq) Bliar being
33 Post contains images Daleaholic : Amen to that!!! Chauffuer? For the diplomats! But that's what makes him so popular...
34 Sebolino : There will be no such thing as a president of Europe. There will be a president of the European council, elected fo 2,5 years, with very limited power
35 ME AVN FAN : But possibly not very interesting. The French however could delegate Valery Giscard d'Estaing as EU President. Or you might have President Silvio Ber
36 NoUFO : Trust me, they won't. Joschka Fischer is a different case.
37 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Quoting NoUFO (Reply 36): Joschka Fischer is a different case. Silvio Berlusconi as EU president and Joschka Fischer as EU foreign minister might be a
38 Klaus : a) Blair isn't particularly popular here either. b) Things don't work the way you think - the large countries obviously have a say (even if it is bel
39 ME AVN FAN : Germany might help Mr Schuessel to a new office !
40 DL021 : More like Ruprecht with the eyepatch and corked fork!
41 TWFirst : I try to keep up on major European affairs, so I'm upset I missed this development. Questions: 1) Does this treaty replace the failed EU Constitution?
42 Post contains images Klaus : Yes. It is basically the same as the constitution, just with the formal status changes cut out. Yes. That is the idea. The frequent handovers caused
43 Post contains images TWFirst : Vielen Dank Klaus... I knew you would have these answers. FYI, I just returned last week from the U.S.E.... I visited my favorite state...Deutschland,
44 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Now that would be an awesome choice! With corrupt bastard the magnitude of Schroeder (unbelievable what a fat paycheck from Gazprom can achieve) we'd
45 Post contains images Klaus : Yeah, Köln is a cool place; Glad you had a nice trip! We've still got a lot to do and to learn... And I'm looking forward to a time when the offic
46 Halls120 : My French, British, German and Dutch colleagues hated the rotating presidency. At the annual UN meeting I attend, there is an intercessional 4-6 mont
47 MD11Engineer : No chance. The moment Schroeder signed his contract with Gazprom, he committed political suicide in Germany. Jan
48 Post contains images Klaus : He's finished for good. Consorting with an apparently corrupt and ruthless foreign conglomerate which is one of the main drivers behind people's incr
49 Post contains links AverageUser : It's the result of the "failed" referenda in France and Holland. People there voted "wrong", that is, rejected the constitution. The power elite chan
50 ME AVN FAN : Jacques Chirac or Valery Giscard d'Estaing as EU-president ! Wouldn't that be fine ?
51 Post contains images Beaucaire : I share your point of view -excellent man -un-biased,neutral but not without personality. I would not advocate neither a German or French politician
52 Post contains images LTU932 : Are you nuts? Berlusconi and Joschka is NOT my idea of an ideal EU government.   [Edited 2007-12-18 00:42:57]
53 Post contains images MD11Engineer : It would certainly be entertaining. I can see the the fireworks already! Jan
54 ME AVN FAN : Why ? The combination of Silvio Berlusconi and Joschka Fischer would make matters a bit lively and entertaining. For instance imagine Silvio B. singi
55 Post contains links Bwest : Highly entertaining... "What ze president actually meant was..." "Dont you-a tella what I actually saida, commie boy!" "Verdammt, be quiet, maffiosi.
56 Post contains images TWFirst : Perhaps, but speaking on behalf of slightly over 50% of the U.S...... we THANK the E.U. and German/French leadership who have voiced opposition to U.
57 Post contains images Klaus : Any actual dialogue would be a start already...! But I agree, relations will and must improve again.
58 Post contains links AverageUser : Oh yes, why not extend the parlamentarian roadshow to Berlin as well? We already have the Strasbourg and Brussels travelling circus. What am I talkin
59 MD11Engineer : So instead of having an elected parliament controlling what is going on in Europe, you'd like to have everything be sorted out in backroom deals betw
60 L410Turbolet : I think you completely misunderstood him. I believe he was referring to the petition calling for the EU parliament to have just one and only seat, in
61 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Strasbourg happens to be in France. Which explains it all. Beside this, sometimes to move may make those EU folks more flexible. My idea would rather
62 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Ok, I agree with this. It is nonsense to move the whole parliament about all the time. BTW, I don't care where it is located as long as it stays in o
63 Paulc : TWfirst, the countries applying to become members are those poorer nations who can see the eu as a way to get easy money rather than have to work & gr
64 Klaus : Germany is the biggest net contributor and we still gain more than we're paying on the bottom line. A politically and economically stable environment
65 NoUFO : True, Germany's net contribution to the European Union was 9.6 billion Euro in 2005 - that's a little less than EUR 120 per capita and year. But the
66 Post contains links AverageUser : You are working backwards, giving credit only to the latest development. If by free travel you mean "visa-free travel in W. Europe" that was a produc
67 MadameConcorde : I am all in favor of a woman as the President of Europe.
68 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - well, I think Lady Thatcher may still be available !
69 MadameConcorde : Not her! She is way too old and so conservative! Isn't there a woman who is the President of Ireland (Eire)? Maybe she could be fit for the job?
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