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Does Anyone Have A Chevy Lumina?  
User currently offlineClassic707 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 548 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

In the spirit of the "Does anyone have" posts, here's mine.

My girlfriend has a 1996 Chevrolet Lumina LS with 106,000 miles on it and this car has been nothing but trouble since she got it. The saga started two years ago. She bout the car used from a reputable Chevrolet dealer in Austin. She had been looking for a car for a while and was on a very fixed income at the time. She had been using my car (1999 Mercury Garand Marquis) while I was at a conference and wanted to surprise me with a car of her own. She paid $4000 for it with 68,000 miles on it and no working AC. Other than that it was fine at the time.

Three months later...
The motor has completly siezed up and the car has to sit for three months (over Christmas) while she saves up for a new engine. The car is "okay" for a little while but then little things start going wrong. The raido just stops working, the driver's side window stops functioning, the power locks fail, most pieces of the interio plastic have fallen off at least once, and the fuel gage will swing a quarter of a tank in either direction at any given monent, oh yeah and the rear view mirror fell off while I was dirving in downtown Austin one day.

Today...
106,000 miles, the engine leaks oil, about one quarter of the intieror is now in the trunk, the mirror has fallen off for the third time and now resides under the seat and yesterday the alternator went out.

This car will be gone soon, one way or another, but for now I'll be driving it while my girlfriend gets to use my trouble free and aging flagship (Grand Marquis with 118,000 miles and never a problem). Has anyone else had one of these Chevy Luminas? Even with the head aches, I'll still miss it when it is gone, we did have a lot of good memories attached to that lovley piece of junk.

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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11728 times:

Sorry to hear about your troubles..... we bought one new - 1990. First year for them, ran real good, and not many issues till we tripped 100k. Then it started having various troubles, and we traded it.

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Dude, no offense, but it’s a 96 Chevy Lumina. Did you expect a Consumer Reports 5 star rating? Sadly, that’s not surprising. Happily, Chevy isn’t making shite like that anymore.

User currently offlineClassic707 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11718 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 2):
Dude, no offense, but it’s a 96 Chevy Lumina

..yeah no kidding. I wish I hadn't been there to stop her.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11703 times:

We have a 1995 Chevrolet Lumina, but its the minivan, not the sedan. We bought it new back in October 1995 and it now has 150,000 miles on it. I'm not going to lie...things have gone wrong, including:

1. Replacing the transmission about 10,000 miles ago (major expense)
2. Window motor broke
3. Plastic cladding on the door has come loose a couple of times
4. Door handle's internal mechanism broke
5. Replaced the head gasket (just got it back yesterday)

Other than that, nothing that I can think of. It has been a damn good car. Specially when you consider the fact that the car was a piece of shit to begin with, I have to commend it with giving us very good service. It has never left us on the road, never broken down and never overheated. The repairs which we have had to make have been pretty cheap and the car is so simple that it is easy for me to do basic repairs.

I suppose that eventually something will go wrong that will just be uneconomical to fix and we'll have to get rid of it, but I hope that day doesn't come soon.



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1652 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11701 times:
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In my opinion, all GM, cared about with their cars is they lasted through the warranty period, after the warranty expired, they didn’t care.

My wife and I have had 6 GM cars in the past, 3 Buick Regal’s, a Buick Park Avenue and a Buick Roadmaster, and a Chevy Malibu wagon. Only one Regal made it to 100,000 miles, the worst were the Park Avenue and the Roadmaster. The Chevy Malibu just about rusted out from under us.

One Regal had the bad V6 engine on it.

The Park Avenue’s transmission failed at 35,000 miles, but 3 months past the warranty date and the rest of the car just about fell apart on us, we got rid of this POS at less the 60,000 miles, we traded it in on the Roadmaster

The Roadmaster was so bad that Buick exchanged it for another after we had it for only 6 months because of all the problems we had, and we didn’t even have to file a claim under Connecticut’s Lemon Law because Buick knew they would lose this case, the replacement also had many problems and we got rid of this POS with 55,000 miles on it.

There isn’t enough room on this thread to list all the problems we have had with the GM cars we have had.

Some of the best cars we have had in the past, a Ford F-150 pickup, Plymouth Duster and a VW Rabbit diesel. All went over 100,000 miles with no major problems except body rust.

Morale of the story, we will never buy another GM product again.

Our past 4 cars have been Volvo’s and we have been very happy with them.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11692 times:

96 must have been a bad year. I just sold my 92 Lumina Euro, which I owned for 4 years. It ran great, even after 350,000km. I wasn't even planning to sell it, but I got a good deal on a 97 with a partial trade in from a guy I know at a local dealership. The 97 has turned out to be a great investment. I recently drove it through 3 inches of snow without winter tires, and it outperformed everything else on the road that night.

Note: Don't start on me, I've heard it all before from you Alberta guys.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 5):

I say the same thing about Ford vehicles.



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1652 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11686 times:
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I know that other people have had good luck with their GM cars, this is just my personal experiences with GM cars

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4629 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11666 times:

The late 90's GM cars were the worst.

My mom had a 91' Lumina that was at almost 300,000km when she got rid of it. The guy to took it was a mechanic, and still drives it to this day. I was so sad to see that car go. It was the car I learned to drive with and was the first car I drove with my full fledged drivers license  Sad



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11650 times:

My sister has a Lumina of that vintage, it has more miles than I can count, and has (thus far) been very good; the only problem has been the AC, but it was repaired with new seals and a recharge, not bad for 10+ years old. The drive train (engine and transmission) seems pretty much bulletproof (which is to say, my sister drives it, and it has survived... trust me, that's impressive).

YMMV, but I have had exceptionally good experiences with GM cars; my Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser (what a great name!) has over 140k miles, truly looks new and runs that way, too.



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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11605 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 2):
Happily, Chevy isn't making shite like that anymore.

True. Their marriage with Toyota (NUMMI) has taught them a lot.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 8):
The late 90's GM cars were the worst.

I would say the early 90's were worse except for 1999 Suburbans.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 5):
In my opinion, all GM, cared about with their cars is they lasted through the warranty period,

Yeah! Stinkin' GM! It's just like them to make the product as cheap as possible to save a hundredth of a penny! They've got an office full of accountants and statisticians who examine every blueprint and process, then cut 4% out of it. You just know they're thinking " Screw Consumer Reports ! Screw J.D. Powers ! Who the fu'k died and made him the boss anyway? "  sarcastic 

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
We have a 1995 Chevrolet Lumina, but its the minivan, not the sedan


"Extended Warranty! How can I lose"?

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 5):
Our past 4 cars have been Volvo's and we have been very happy with them.

Now, look me straight in the eye, and tell me that the brake squeak hasn't driven you insane. Wink

Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
Grand Marquis with 118,000 miles and never a problem

Now you look me straight in the eye, and tell me that the power windows have never failed and the cooling system has never leaked.  silly 

Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
we did have a lot of good memories attached to that lovley piece of junk.

Bench seats, indeed.  biggrin 

Beware of the Lumina Z-24 and Monte Carlo Z-24. Don't ever, ever, ever buy one. They have a 3.4L pushrod engine that was converted to a DOHC setup. What a nightmare!  scared 



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11593 times:
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For most of my HS buddies, its either a Lumina, Grand Prix, or Monte Carlo. Quite annoying, really.

The worst car though, has to be the Chevy Corsica. My mom had a '90, and it was a piece of crap.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11591 times:



Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
My girlfriend has a 1996 Chevrolet Lumina LS with 106,000 miles on it and this car has been nothing but trouble since she got it.

My mom had one of those.. Biggest garage queen my family has ever seen, and my dad owned an MG once upon a time.

Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
the engine leaks oil

It is usually a manageable leak of about a quart every thousand miles. My mom's had a once a year head gasket habit which made it drink coolant like a sailor on shore leave.

Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
the mirror has fallen off for the third time

The car was a piece of shit but actually the exterior was decent. As far as assembly goes anyway. The paint was pure shit but we never had anything randomly fall off. Also, it didn't have any noticeable rust- which for an Ohio car isn't bad.

Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
yesterday the alternator went out.

For some reason starters and alternators are a GM thing. Even my Caprice, a rock solid car, had alternator and starter issues.

Does your air conditioner work? My parents put about three $700 compressors on theirs until they decided to just sweat. One of the compressors didn't even make it out of the mechanics parking lot before it blew itself up. Also, I hated how you COULD NOT turn off the daytime running lamps. It was a bitch and a half to limp the lumina home after a toasted alternator when it took a ton of tools to pull out the fuse for the running lamps (it's buried under a bolted on brace under the hood). I was also underwhelmed by the interior. The seats went to shit when the car was maybe 6 years old. It seems like all the padding just degraded totally. Also, I hated the fucking radio in this car. It was the anti-theft delphi radio that nobody would ever want to steal. This means when it stopped working in about 2001 it was impossible to put another radio in the car. This car represented the beginning of a dark era for American cars in my opinion. An era GM is still in and I am reminded of whenever I sit in any chevy car (our Impala's at work included) or anything on the cheaper end of Pontiac's product line.

Also, I hated driving this car. It was horribly underpowered. This thing actually scared me getting on the highway on an uphill onramp. At least when the Japanese put an efficient engine in a car they either lower the vehicle weight or increase the engine size to where you won't get rear ended getting onto a 55mph interstate. Also, this vehicle had NO range. It had a 12 gallon fuel tank if memory serves and the underpowered POS motor managed to suck that dry in no time flat.

Honestly, the 1996 Lumina is why I drive an old Honda Accord, My mother drives a fairly new Honda Accord, and my girlfriend drives an Acura.


User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11540 times:

I had a '96 Monte Carlo Z34, basically a two-door Lumina with the 3.4 DOHC engine. Had lots of problems with it. It took the local Chevy dealer about five visits and maybe 15 days without the car to diagnose bad spark plug wires.

Other problems: bad alternator and water pump. In the end though, it was major engine oil leaks. I was putting in a quart every 1,000 miles or so. Several mechanics told me there were multiple leaks, none easily fixed. And this was with less than 120,000 miles on the car. I babied it and had oil changes done every 3,000 miles.

Other complaints were spongy brakes and not very quick acceleration-- especially for what was supposed to be a higher performance version.

Too bad, because it was a very comfortable and quiet car-- great for driving long distances.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11530 times:



Quoting TheCol (Reply 6):

I had a '97 Lumina for about 3 and a half years, and other than having to replace the typical items that wear out (tires, brakes), the only problem I had with it was with the condenser motor for the air conditioning (I only had to replace it once. It started to act up again, so I just toughed it out by using the old 455 a/c [four windows, 55 mph]). . I'd probably still be driving it today had some genius driving without his headlights on t-boned me one night leaving work about 4 years ago. It was repairable, but not worth the cost, as it was a 7 year old car at that time worth about $3000-4000 and the estimate a relative of mine that does estimates at a body shop came in at over $5000 to repair it.


User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1652 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11510 times:
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Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 10):
Now, look me straight in the eye, and tell me that the brake squeak hasn't driven you insane

I am looking you right in your eyes and telling you that none of my 4 Volvo’s ever had any squeaking brakes, I have had a 1993 850 and a 1999 S-90, now have a 2002 XC-70 and a 2004 S-80AWD. And if you want to question my mechanical ability, I am an A&P mechanic with an IA rating, so I think I have enough basic mechanical knowledge to tell if my brakes are squeaking.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 12):
For some reason starters and alternators are a GM thing. Even my Caprice, a rock solid car, had alternator and starter issues.

I had the air conditioner evaporator rot out on our Roadmaster, which was nothing more than a plushed out Caprice in less than 5 years, that was not exactly a cheap job to replace because GM built the car around the evaporator.

A few other problems we had with our POS Roadmaster, every time you turned on the interior lights, the door locks would open or close, also the electric trunk release had a mind of its own and would open whenever it felt like, usually when you were on the highway, Many times when we came to a stoplight and looked in the rear view mirror and saw the trunk lid was open. The dealers fix, disconnect the trunk release, then you won’t have this happen again

Here’s a good one, the Roadmaster was based on the new design Caprice which had a huge sloping windshield, the top of the dash board created a huge sun glare on the windshield during the day to the point that Consumers Report in their road test of the Roadmaster said it was the worst sun glare problem they have ever seen. When I complained to the service manager at the dealer he told me they all do this, which was his standard answer to anything if he didn’t want to do anything about it.

Since there was no Buick zone rep in the area at the time, I contacted the Buick New York zone office and got the head of the zone reps and complained about the glare problem. He was also driving a Roadmaster, agreed with me about the sun glare problem and he told they had a fix, they would send to the dealer a can of low glare paint and the dealer would spray this low glare paint on the glare shield. I refused this and wanted a new low glare panel from the factory, he agreed to this and had a new panel shipped FEDEX up from the factory in Texas. The dealer did not even know what or who this panel was for, it had no paperwork and it sat in the parts room until I inquired a few days later. I told the head of the Buick Zone reps that GM must have considered this their stealth car because they apparently never tested the Roadmaster in the daytime, only at night.

When the dealer finally replaced this panel we then had an annoying rattle in the dash that the dealer could not fix, the new Buick zone rep then had me take the car to another Buick dealer and they too could not find the causes of the rattle or the door lock/interior light and trunk release problem. Even this new panel still had a glare problem so I got a large piece of black cloth, cut it to fit the top of the dashboard and drove around with it that way.

The final straw with this car was the constant engine pinging which the Buick zone rep and 2 dealers could not find what was causing this problem, The head of the Buick zone reps admitted to me that his Roadmaster also pinged, so after less than 6 months and 4500 miles the local Buick zone rep told us to go back to our original dealer and order another Roadmaster and we just traded it in on the second Roadmaster.

Buick even paid us for the trailer towing hitch and electric trailer brakes removal and reinstallation and the Ziebart rust proofing and alarm system, and the price increase including sales tax between the 2 cars for a total of almost $1800

The second Roadmaster also pinged and when we complained to the zone rep who had even gave us his home phone number, he ordered a special EPROM from the factory because he said that we were not the only ones complaining about engine pinging on the Roadmasters and this chip finally solved the engine pinging problem. We found out later from the rep that Buick in order to meet the overall CAFÉ gas mileage requirements GM was running the Roadmaster’s very lean to increase the gas mileage, all GM cared about was the gas mileage, not about the long term damage that engine pinging could cause. Buick only quietly changed the chip if the owner complained of engine pinging, they did not offer or make it known there was a replacement chip available

I guess that Buick got an earful from owners because of the glare problem because the second Roadmaster had a much better anti glare finish than even the replacement one on the first car, I found out later from the head of the zone reps that instead of throwing out the bad panels, Buick was spray painting them at the factory with the matte finish until the inventory was used up and that is what we got from Texas

I bet there is no one out there who ever traded in a car and drove out of the dealer with exactly the same identical car.

And these problems I had with my Roadmaster’s are nothing compared with the problems I had with my Park Avenue, Regal’s or Malibu.

As I said before, others have had good luck with their GM cars, but as for me, every GM’s car I had have been nothing but pieces of $hit and I will never buy a GM car again.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11508 times:
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Quoting Slider (Reply 2):
Dude, no offense, but it's a 96 Chevy Lumina. Did you expect a Consumer Reports 5 star rating?

I had a 96 Lumina and it was a great car. I bought it new and when I sold it it had 121,000 miles on it. I sold it to a friend of mine who still drives it and it has 164,000 on it.

I had to replace the head gaskets on it at 101,000 because my dad popped a hole in the radiator and then he drove it without coolant. (he didn't know what it he did until it was all over.

Other than that I only had to do regular maintenance on it. It was and is a great car. Since I sold it my buddy has had to put a water pump on it and the A/C high side line ruptured. Both easy repairs.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 12):
Also, I hated driving this car. It was horribly underpowered. This thing actually scared me getting on the highway on an uphill onramp.

Never felt it was under powered. It was way more powerful than many cars I have owned. If you think it is under powered you have never driven a Mercedes-Benz diesel from the 60s, 70s, or 80s or just any large car of the 1980s.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 10):
They have a 3.4L push rod engine that was converted to a DOHC setup. What a nightmare!

The 3.1L is a good motor and the later 3.4L push rod engines are great. Other than some have lower intake gasket leaks. That isn't a very hard repair. Time consuming, but not hard.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 10):
Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
Grand Marquis with 118,000 miles and never a problem

Now you look me straight in the eye, and tell me that the power windows have never failed and the cooling system has never leaked

Actually those are not that common of problems. The power windows usually fail from an over heat of the module. If you roll the windows up one at a time you will never have a failure with it.

A very common problem with those cars (4.6L) is the oil pan rusting through.

The 4.6 also has problems with valve stem seals.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Let's not forget the Lumina water pump.

Anyone who keeps a car any period of time has had to replace a water pump. These are a common item to fail and they WILL need replaced at some point. On my 88 Caprice the water pump was about a $60 part and it took 15 minutes to change, making for a cheap repair. On my Honda the water pump is buried, but Honda knew this was fucked up so they made it a regular replacement item on the 60,000mi check. On the Lumina the water pump was buried to where the mechanic needed to unbolt the engine to get to it.. Making for an insane repair taking several hours on a part that failed way more often than it should have.

Also, if memory serves the battery placement was a total afterthought requiring way too much work to change the battery. I think the alternator was also buried because I know replacing those once a year cost way more than it should have.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 16):
or just any large car of the 1980s.

My 88 Caprice had a 4.3 V6. It was underpowered, but it was a sports car compared to the Lumina.

Also, thinking back the Lumina did have shitty brakes. They were spongy and it seemed like the pedal traveled forever.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11463 times:
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Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 17):
On the Lumina the water pump was buried to where the mechanic needed to unbolt the engine to get to it.. Making for an insane repair taking several hours on a part that failed way more often than it should have.

What engine did you have? The 3.1L water pump is super easy and can be done in less than an hour.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 17):
My 88 Caprice had a 4.3 V6. It was underpowered, but it was a sports car compared to the Lumina.

There was obviously a problem with that Lumina's engine or transaxle because the 3.1L is way peppier than a 4.3 Caprice.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 17):
Honda knew this was fucked up so they made it a regular replacement item on the 60,000mi check.

It is run off the timing belt so while you have the belt off you just go ahead and replace that too. A lot of cars have the water pump run off the the timing belt.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11458 times:

I have the 3.1L V6 on my Lumina minivan, I think it only has about 120 hp (and 180 foot pounds of torque). Which car did GM introduce this engine on and is it reliable in the long term (over 150k?)


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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6127 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11453 times:
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Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 19):
is it reliable in the long term (over 150k?)

I would say yes. I see 3.1L engines in lots of GM cars with well over 150,000 miles on the odometer.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 19):
Which car did GM introduce this engine on

I am not sure, but it it has been around since the mid 1980s in the form of the 2.8L, Later on it grew to a 3.1L then to a 3.4L. That 3.4 is not the same as the 3.4 DOHC engine.

The 2.8L was seen as the optional V-6 on 1980s Chevrolet Celebrity, Pontiac 6000, Oldsmobile Cutlass Cierra, and Buick Century. It was also seen on Pontiac Grand Ams and Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais models. The engine was produced for at least 20 years in one displacement or another.



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11430 times:

My mom bought a 1990 second hand and paid $2500.00 for it in '98 and had 51,000 miles. Once it hit 75,000, the car just kind of unraveled. Mostly, it was the radiator and they're not cheap, even used. It died a tragic death in front of my condo building and was towed to the scrapyard of beyond...  Wink


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11416 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 2):
Dude, no offense, but itís a 96 Chevy Lumina. Did you expect a Consumer Reports 5 star rating? Sadly, thatís not surprising. Happily, Chevy isnít making shite like that anymore.

Good thing they aren't because they'd be out of business if they were.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 5):
In my opinion, all GM, cared about with their cars is they lasted through the warranty period, after the warranty expired, they didnít care.

Not always. My dad had a 1973 Chevelle Malibu, and that beast was a tank. 12 years and 225,000 miles and nary a problem.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11404 times:



Quoting Classic707 (Thread starter):
My girlfriend has a 1996 Chevrolet Lumina LS with 106,000 miles on it and this car has been nothing but trouble since she got it.

My mother is driving a 1996 Chevy Lumina LS (blue) with about 97,000 miles on it. The reliability has been fine but design-wise it's a piece of junk (imo). She doesn't mind putting the miles on it (it was given to her by an aunt who gave up driving when she turned 90 and gave her car away), but I notice she's driving the Civic to work every day, even though it's pushing 160,000 miles (much better gas mileage).

Mom thinks Chevy HHRs are "cute" and practical, but I'm trying to convince her not to get one. In my experience anything GM that's not a truck, full-sized van, Corvette, or Cadillac I wouldn't take if you gave it to me.


User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1652 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11399 times:
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):
Not always. My dad had a 1973 Chevelle Malibu, and that beast was a tank. 12 years and 225,000 miles and nary a problem.

As I said before, other people have had good luck with their GM products, but every one of my 6 GM cars that I had were nothing but pieces of $hit, and almost all the problems except with my Roadmasters happened after the warranty expired.

And I feel that GM’s quality problems and refusal to admit that their cars have had problems and correct them is the cause for their major loss of market share.

All you have to do is look at Consumers Reports buying guide, GM cars do not age well.

That’s why in my town of slightly over 100,000 people, in the past few years the Cadillac, Chevy and Saturn dealers have all closed down. The former dealer owners sold the property for development because it was worth more than the dealership. Same holds true for the Chrysler/Jeep dealer, they too closed down and sold the property.

The only GM dealer left in town is a Buick/Pontiac/GMC dealer. Even the local Volvo dealer sells more cars that this GM dealer, the Volvo dealer keeps over 200 Volvo’s in stock and would stock more if they had the room because they sometimes run short of certain models.

Just read my previous thread about the problems I had with my Buick Roadmasters, these problems with the sun glare and engine pinging should never had occurred if they properly designed and tested the car before it was released to the public.

GM, I feel lets the public who purchases their cars test them and corrects the problems in later production models, but these purchasers are stuck with all these problems because unless the car is still in warranty, GM won’t lift a finger to help them.

Even the local Buick zone rep, when we first met him denied that the Roadmasters had any problems, but then after hearing about all the problems we had, he then admitted to us that the Roadmaster model did have problems. He felt sorry for us, telling us that nobody should have these problems and bent over backwards to help us. And it is almost impossible to get to a GM zone rep, they normally do not deal with the public, only with the dealers.

And he also admitted to us that the local Buick dealer we bought the car from was useless, that why he had us take it to another dealer to try to correct the problems and he even paid for a rental for us for the time this other dealer had our car.


25 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : I used to own a 93 Chevy Corsica when I lived in YUL. The water pump failed in spectacular fashion (lots of white condensation smoke and coolant every
26 Post contains images WA707atMSP : I have a 1991 Lumina 3.1 Euro Sport with 116K miles on it. I purchased it new; it's the only car I've ever owned. Overall, I've had very happy experie
27 Wagz : Funny enough, a 96 Lumina 3.1L V6 was my first car, inherrited from my father in mid 2000. I drove it for about 3 or 4 years, and remember many of the
28 Jetstar : Sounds like the same problems I had with my Buick Park Avenue, I also had the front door arm rests fall off, the steering wheel crack, the trim fell
29 Post contains images Classic707 : YUP! You hit it right on the head. My girlfriend and myself have decided this past weekend to start looking into replacing this car with a new Toyota
30 Falstaff : I don't get all the knocking on an 12 year old car. What do you expect? If you think you can drive a 12 year old Toyota or Honda and never have a prob
31 ABQ747 : Just stay away from the new V6 Camrys. They have been having a ton of transmission problems, not to mention all the build quality issues. No kidding.
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