Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22785 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4716 times:
Quoting 707CMF (Reply 1): Having a 10 year old girl bringing a steak knife at school ? Heck, I hope my girl will have more sense than that nine year from now. A girl schoolbag is no place for a steak knife.
Don't they have knives at school for use by the students?
Of course, arresting her and charging her with posession of a weapon is ridiculous.
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Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
Quite irresponsible of the parent/guardian to allow her to have the knife (if they knew). On the other hand, Arresting a 10 year old? surely teachers could have taken the knife off her and told her not to do it again...
The more worrying thing is... who's the fuckin dumbass who called the police?
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Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4607 times:
Is it me or is everyone paranoid about kids thesedays? I know the school shootings are a disturbing trend, but to take an alarmist position and think any kid is just as guilty to the point where a kid thinks a knife is a knife and treat it like "reasoning" for causing panic is unfortunate.
It's like some people want to be the first to spread a rumor, some folks subconciously want to brag they were the ones to stop this kid from causing harm, whether it was going to happen or not.
I think some people watch too much news and drama.
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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14968 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4602 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 7): Quite irresponsible of the parent/guardian to allow her to have the knife (if they knew).
I assume she simply took the knife out of the kitchen drawer and picked a knife she would know was sharp enough to cut her food.
When I was about 9 years old, my father gave my brother and myself each a big pocket knife he brought from a business trip to Spain. For us the knives were tools, to be used e.g. for whittling or cutting food when hiking or camping (since my father, a geologist and palaeontologist, used to take us on his expeditions when we were small and didn't have to attend school full time, we were quite used to living outdoors, including trips into the Sahara desert).
One day I brought the knife to school to show it to my classmates in prima,ry school. One boy took it and started playing some stuff he had seen on TV in some police movie and held the knife against the throat of one girl (At this age, my parents were quite strict about what we were allowed to watch on TV and action movies were definitely not included).
The girl, crying and afraid, told the teacher, who confiscted the knife and sent a letter to my parents. My parents told me off for bringing the knife to school, but also told the teacher that for us a knife was not considered a weapon and not to be used as such, but a tool. They also picked up the knife in school and returned it to me, making me promise never to bring it to school again.
I still carried it when we went playing ouside, again as a tool, which was ok for my parents.
SmithAir747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1741 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4511 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 2): Don't they have knives at school for use by the students?
When I was in elementary school and junior high in our local public school system in the 1980s, there were no knives, whatsoever, for the cafeteria lunches. All they had were forks and spoons. They assumed you could bite and chew just about anything.
However, I found some of the school lunches extremely difficult to bite or chew--because, with a craniofacial condition, my mouth does not bite or chew anything hard at all well. In fact, eating has always been a dangerous procedure for me (so I eat a totally soft diet).
Back then, I would have killed for a knife to cut the rubbery pizza crust (or what passed for pizza crust back then)!
I doubt that many schools (if any) have any kind of decent knife to cut food with. Have they ever?
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4485 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13): Doesn't the police or latest the prosecutor have the power to drop the charges? There must exist a little bit of common sense!
That is most likely what will happen on the criminal level. Unfortunately at the school level the girl will probably be expelled and the reasoning, or lack thereof, will be that the school board doesn't want their teachers and administrators to think on a case by case basis because that might be just a bit too much to expect from them.
Zero tolerance rules = zero thought
I'm already saving money to make sure my kid goes to a good private school versus putting up with stupid crap like this stuff that seems all too common these days.
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Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 6039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4409 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11): Now that this poor girl is now in the system, shes probably screwed for life....with a felony! Some people need to be bitch slapped back into reality!
As far as the criminal system is concerned, any record that she would get as a minor (guarantee the prosecutor drops the charges) would be expunged when she turns 18.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14): Unfortunately at the school level the girl will probably be expelled and the reasoning, or lack thereof, will be that the school board doesn't want their teachers and administrators to think on a case by case basis because that might be just a bit too much to expect from them.
Unfortunately so. Luckily, most colleges don't look back to the elementary school days for disciplanary actions. I hope this girl's life isn't made harder.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17): As far as I can see there are two, frankly stupid actions here - the girl bringing a steak knife to school and the school escalating the incident to the police.
A ten year old is probaly not aware of all the school acts of violence and all the paranoia that exists and probaly thought it was not that big of a deal to bring a knife to school to cut your meal with.....
Second this child probaly saw her mother use the knife to prepare and cut food many times, so in her mind the knife is a good tool for preparing snd eating food. She probaly dose'nt associate the knife with murder or violence like most people do....
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Bagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
I always carry a pocket knife with me, everywhere I go. Its a pain to remember to take it out of my pocket before going on school property or other "Zero Tolerance" zones. Thing is, I also keep a knife in a backpack with other tools etc for emergencies in the back of the car. I guess I'm breaking the law every time I park my car in the parking lot to go to a football game, drop a kid off at school, etc.
Out of curiosity, I emailed the contact person on my county website asking about laws regarding pocket knives (mine is a 3.5" blade, with a serrated base) and where and where it is not allowed. The email bounced back. I tried calling - never got an answer. So here they are, promoting the public unawareness, yet somebody gets screwed over if they're caught in a no-no zone with a knife, whether or not there were signs.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14968 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4217 times:
Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 19): Thing is, I also keep a knife in a backpack with other tools etc for emergencies in the back of the car. I guess I'm breaking the law every time I park my car in the parking lot to go to a football game, drop a kid off at school, etc. Yeah sure
What about the axe and the prospector's pick I always carry in my truck (together with a wood saw, a bolt cutter, a flash light, a strong tow rope and other tools, including a knife) ?
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7896 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 20): What about the axe and the prospector's pick I always carry in my truck (together with a wood saw, a bolt cutter, a flash light, a strong tow rope and other tools, including a knife) ?
Clearly that makes you a serial killer with all that stuff in your truck.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
You can pretty much check common sense at the door when you have those laws.
Unfortunately, it is a product of the Right Realism that dominates our criminal laws and the fact that people vote for politicians who are "tough on crime" which means we never get a net reduction in penalty levels.
Quoting Lehpron (Reply 8): Is it me or is everyone paranoid about kids thesedays? I know the school shootings are a disturbing trend, but to take an alarmist position and think any kid is just as guilty to the point where a kid thinks a knife is a knife and treat it like "reasoning" for causing panic is unfortunate.
A 10 year old with a knife is far different from a 17 year old with a gun.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11): Now that this poor girl is now in the system, shes probably screwed for life....with a felony!
Almost certainly not. Her age will prevent any sort of discoverable record, even if she is taken all the way through a prosecution
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13): Doesn't the police or latest the prosecutor have the power to drop the charges?
Of course they do. Then again, the police were stupid enough to actually affect an arrest here, so it may well be up to the prosecutors to show sense here, which I see them doing.
Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 19): I emailed the contact person on my county website asking about laws regarding pocket knives (mine is a 3.5" blade, with a serrated base) and where and where it is not allowed.
Carrying a knife is protected by the Second Amendment, just like carrying a gun is, and may only be regulated when in a public space, not completely banned.
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29200 posts, RR: 73
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4166 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 23): They may not have had a choice in the matter.
Sure they did. If they were under orders from higher brass, then that brass had a choice. If it was completely discretionary for the officers on scene, then they had a choice.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
Which in itself is a direct product of left wing activist judges who created the so called "Revolving Door" legal system.
Absolutely not. Despite our system being based in the common law, sentencing has been based in statute for more than a century. In fact, the support of a system that favors less flexibility for judges has always been from rightist "activist" judges. Fortunately, the current Supreme Court found consensus in bringing back some flexibility in the federal system.
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: I was talking more about its rules for being carried. Sure, its legal, but how I carry it affects how legal it is. Is having it in my pocket mean its
: Yes it does. Then again, the rule for most jurisdictions is a 4 inch blade.
: I forwarded the TV story to some friends and one of them replied thusly. I can not wouch for the post's accuracy, but here it is anyway: that's nothin
: Now that would be far to sensible.....much better to ruin her life and make a crim of her at such a tender age....that way she will gow up with a hea
: Whoever that was should get his/her ass arrested for wasting police resources. This reminds me an episode in Italy some 10 yrs ago when a 6 yr old ki
: From http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317202,00.html School officials say the Ocala 5th grader had brought a piece of steak for her lunch, and had
: I cannot begin to imagine! A result of a knee-jerk reaction all because of a no-tolerance policy. I say we do away with no-tolerance policies that ma
: I'd say that's a good idea.. So much for dealing with things in an individual case-by-case basis.
: So you're advocating no tolerance of no tolerance laws?
: That true. Ok, its not normal and right to bring a steak knife to school. But to take a 10 year old to Juvenile Assessment Center, is just cra*. The
: Even the phrase "Juvenile Assessment Center" is very PC. In my day it was called "Juvenile Hall" and everybody knew what that was.
: Atlanta no longer has a jail but rather a Pre-Trial Detention Center. The name changed right before the Olympics so not to offend the sensibilities o
: She was suspended for 10 days.. not expelled.
: The school jurisdiction where this occurred has a full time police officer assigned to every school... You might think so.... but you would be wrong.
: Now, that's an idea..... LOL! Me like!
: Agreed. I did not like those at all. As a matter of fact, I despise them since they can not cut crap. Where is the school system going nowadays? I th
: I feel somewhat sorry for the officer who had to respond to this call. You know he/she is going to catch some type of hell for this.
: Of course she had committed a heinous crime; as any Brit visiting the USA will observe; Americans do not know how to use a knife a the dinner table, a
: It shows you have no clue as to what the hell you are talking about. She was USING the knife to cut a piece of steak! Did you even READ the article?!
: That was a fucking dumb thing to do. Really...... people need some common sense. For god sakes... people need to learn the difference between a tool
: Yes, the prosecutor can decide not to act, the police don't have a choice but to act once the school has called them. It's part of the zero tolerance
: I disagree. I think the rules banning physical activity were mostly made up in reaction to the fear of being sued by the parents if something happene
: I have to respectfully disagree. Bringing the steak knife to school cant be classed as a stupid action, especially if you are also classing calling t
: As I mentioned in an earlier post, nobody called the police. The police were already there. The school district has a 'School Resource Officer' assig
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: Possibly not exactly ideal, but to accuse that girl of lack of sense is wrong. I might rather accuse those who acted against her about lack of common
: Dude - he was being a little sarcastic - calm down.
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: Possibly some real meat, instead of fat liquid hamburgers. And the knifes in this school are possibly of that kind where a rubber-knife would be the
: I obviously didn't find any humor in it, but that's just me.
: Wait for it.............................shocking!
: Obviously someone skipped Sarcasm 101 class. Anyway, I think no-tolerance laws are ridiculous. Things should always be handled on a case-by-case basi
: I missed this little nugget earlier. What a crock. While the Swamp Yankees that have invaded Florida have dumbed down the entire state of Florida for
: Not to mention this isn't happening just in Orlando - the no tolerance rules are cropping up everywhere.
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: I said "the authorities of Orlando/FL" and N O T the entire state of Florida. And I did NOT claim that the Governor of the State of Florida is a mili
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: the main post repeated : - ---------------------------------------------- Having a 10 year old girl bringing a steak knife at school ? Heck, I hope my
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: Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 56): no tolerance rules ??? are pocket-knifes in the way of Swiss army knifes still allowed in such schools ????? and, sorry,
: Not here. A Swiss army knife will get you expelled from any school in Virginia, and I believe most other states in the US. Kind of ridiculous ain't i
: No, you simply made an over the top comparison of Orlando officials to the thugs running Sudan and that is where you lose any and all credibility. Yo
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: Absolutely unbelievable !!! A foreign boy going to school in Switzerland WITHOUT such an "army-knife" will be regarded as not assimilated. And teache
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: the officials in Orlando mentioned above to me are simply unacceptable beasts beyond any credibility. And so reminded me of those officials in the ci
: I hate to disagree but I'm just taking what I read in several different news articles plus what the Sheriff said in the interview on TV. From the new
: Sorta the theme of the thread........
: If you really think that comparison is valid then all I can do is shake my head, tell you that you suck at life, and walk away before the foolishness
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: Well, European and Arab leftists love such ballgames. Except some shrinks maybe. - No, the comparison is NOT "valid", and it not even is a "compariso
: Well then, there is something good to be said for them after all then isn't there?
: why is it irresponsible for a 10 year old to use a knife to eat? if i havent accomplished that my kid(girl!), at age of 10, is civilized enough to us
: At the time the second amendment was written, a sword, saber or sword bayonett were standard military weapons (remember, it was the time of the muzzl
: i was not referring to "weapons less lethal than guns not being covered by the second ammendment" but quite the opposite, since the original text, th
: Here is not the question "knife or no knife". The question must be, what country is this where you can arrest a small child. Will next a baby be arres
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: sure ! - a political question. A country where the fear of terrorists has been whipped up for more than 5 years by the government. And a country wher
: indeed the key is why is this an issue in the first place, but there are about 5000 things where "most yurowhiners" usually shake their head over, su
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: in Switzerland, shops and restaurants (incl bars, cafes etc) have clear limits beer and wine only up from 16 years spirits up from 18 years 18 years