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Southwest FA Accused Of Homophobia During Flight  
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 14358 times:

Happened to see this story while cruising the net. Anybody know have any further info?

http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews35_50/page2.cfm

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User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14143 times:

If you read the article, this gentleman sounds like a respectable, conservative, honest individual. The story is very believable. If it happened exactly the way it is described in this article, Southwest definitely should apologize, and reprimand the flight attendant involved. They might apologize, but they will definitely not even discuss the issue with the flight attendant. They never do.

User currently offlineJETnyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14136 times:

Dang more bad news for SW....

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14113 times:

Wow...Seems like the flight attendant knew what she was doing was wrong; knew that this guy was going to complain; and tried to accuse him before he could accuse her. I'm just surprised the supervisor immediately took the FA's side and didn't ask any questions of the passenger. Won't be good for WN if this gets any more press.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14065 times:

It seems like WN is really discriminating their customers nowadays. Not very good PR like JETnyc metioned, I agree. Some people, like that FA, needs to get a clue.


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

That is a shame. I did that to one of my friends too once who almost collapsed dut to a severe illness! Since there were no pillows in the train I let him rest on my legs.

Stupid b%¤ch!


User currently onlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13906 times:

I know that no airline is perfect and that no airline is completely rotten, but this just turns my stomach. I hope the passenger sues and the flight attendant and supervisor are both fired. There's no excuse for this type of behavior. EVER.


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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

Sounds like hate crime from the FA from Southwest and not official SW policy. But the FA was working for SW so they have some liability if they get sued.
Its 2007 and who really cares what anybody's sexual orientation is anyway? Who cares? Everybody deserves to be treated with respect; period. Getting the police involved was a disgrace. Those 2 guys weren't trouble makers and its obvious the FA called the Police to preempt any complaint those 2 might eventually make. Police denying bathroom access is another indignity.
It seems like there is a total lack of civility these days in America and Airports / Travel really bring out the worst behavior in people.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13781 times:

They should throw the book at the FA. If she was being racist, she would be in deep trouble, so why should any other form of discrimination be treated differently. It really is terrible.

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13713 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 8):
They should throw the book at the FA.

Remember, in the US there is no provision for sexual preference protection in civil rights law (as opposed to race, religion, national origin). As such, I doubt WN can do much but write her up.

IF she filed a false police report, that is a different discussion.

The supervisior -- remember -- is supposed to give benefit of the doubt to the employee. If customer vs employee, the supervisor will tend to believe the employee.

If a police report is filed, the police must investigate. No matter how dumb it sounds, they must investigate.

Should be interesting to see where this goes.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13672 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 9):
Should be interesting to see where this goes.

I agree. I had a thought: I wonder if the Seattle Times has written anything or heard anything on this.



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User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13642 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 9):
Remember, in the US there is no provision for sexual preference protection in civil rights law (as opposed to race, religion, national origin). As such, I doubt WN can do much but write her up.

IF she filed a false police report, that is a different discussion.

Whilst I am not going to discuss whether or not the USA should have such protections on an aeroplane forum (although I do have an opinion on the matter) - this is a disgrace to be treated in such a way.

Wasting police, and airline time should be reason enough to get rid.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13519 times:
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I find this story absolutely appalling. The FA is obviously a bitter, judgemental hag.

So much for WN's Customer service commitment

The mission of Southwest Airlines is dedication to the highest quality of Customer Service delivered with a sense of warmth, friendliness, individual pride, and Company Spirit.



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User currently onlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13519 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 9):
Remember, in the US there is no provision for sexual preference protection in civil rights law (as opposed to race, religion, national origin). As such, I doubt WN can do much but write her up.

Depends on two fronts...WA law (don't know if they have hate crimes legislation or not) and WN policy. Assuming WN is like most airlines, it actually should say in black and white (no pun intended) in the training manual that discrimination is not allowed based on sexual orientation. Assuming so, she could be written up and (hopefully) fired for breaching company policy.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13517 times:



Quoting Sevenair (Reply 11):
this is a disgrace to be treated in such a way.

Agreed.

Quoting Sevenair (Reply 11):
Wasting police, and airline time should be reason enough to get rid.

Would have to look at the contract. You'd be amazed some of the interesting work rules that have creeped into US labor contracts in the past. I don't know what Southwest's say, I dont' know what FAA regs say, so I can't speculate.

And again -- remember -- the airline would have to PROVE the FA did something illegal. Without that proof, they can maintain a copy for record and watch for a pattern. But this is about it. Otherwise, Southwest could be facing a wrongful termination lawsuit.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13486 times:

Just speechless.

WN owes them, at the very least, an explanation.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
Its 2007 and who really cares what anybody's sexual orientation is anyway?

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Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
Who cares?

Unfortunately, some people do. Usually busy-bodies and people with far too much spare time on their hands.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
Everybody deserves to be treated with respect; period.

The absolute 100% truth.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13465 times:

From the article:

"Swink was replaced by a woman holding a crying 18-month-old boy with an ear infection."

If it were me, I would have then politely asked the flight attendant if they had any reading material on the plane. Such as the Gay Times or Advocate.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13389 times:
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Quoting EMB170 (Reply 13):
WA law (don't know if they have hate crimes legislation or not)

Sexual orientation discrimination was outlawed in Washington State when HB1515 was passed in 2005.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13327 times:



Quoting SA7700 (Reply 18):
Sexual orientation discrimination was outlawed in Washington State when HB1515 was passed in 2005.

Since the routing of the flight was FLL-BNA-SEA (according to the article), then WN have something to worry about.



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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

I think we should all wait and see here. I read this article and there are just too many questions in my mind. (well maybe just a couple big ones). First of all: the article is written and published on a gay news site (bias much?). Second: the story is written by the man himself (hardly what I would call impartial). Then of course he claims to overhear her say "fag". He claimed himself that he must have heard her wrong. I don't know, maybe he heard "BAG"? She's tucked away in the galley on an airliner in flight, you can't normally hear what they are talking about. Then a family with children all needed to sit together yet only a mother holding an infant sits next to him? What happened to the rest of the family? Then there are his obvious opinions such as: she "slammed" the drink down. Really? she reached OVER TWO people all the way to the window seat to slam your diet coke down? give me a break. I've never seen a flight attendant reach all the way to the window seat to set a drink down. So thats a big to me right there. Then there is the "garbage" incident. So this man apparently knows what this woman is thinking? How about he is a "straightaphobe" and turns everything people say into something against gays? (oh wait, gay people are always the victim, they can do no wrong right?). I don't know. there was just too much here to question. So go ahead and flame me (no pun intended) but whatever, I don't care.


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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13259 times:



Quoting SA7700 (Reply 18):
Sexual orientation discrimination was outlawed in Washington State when HB1515 was passed in 2005.

Would the WA law apply? Remember, this was an interstate flight. Where did the violation occur?

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2094 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13260 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 14):
And again -- remember -- the airline would have to PROVE the FA did something illegal. Without that proof, they can maintain a copy for record and watch for a pattern. But this is about it. Otherwise, Southwest could be facing a wrongful termination lawsuit.

Filing a false police report is most certainly a crime.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 18):
Sexual orientation discrimination was outlawed in Washington State when HB1515 was passed in 2005.

It sounds like the discrimination happened before they landed in Washington. As such, Washington state law does not apply.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14029 times:



Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 23):
(oh wait, gay people are always the victim, they can do no wrong right?).

Not sure where this train of thought is coming from.

We get hanged in some countries, beaten to death in others (i.e. UK), and shot in others. We get thrown in prison, or get parts of us cut off.

So yes - I would say gays are often the victim. And yes, everyone can do wrong.

To merely exist, and be penalised and abused because of this is compeltely out of line. And is not what living in a free country should entail.

We just want to get on with our lives. We don't necessarily want to walk round the streets holding hands, or to have our relationships celebrated. I think what we all want is to be treated as a human, with dignity.

I suggest you open up a topic on Non Aviation. Great place for gay bashing.


User currently offlineFloorrunner From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13984 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 9):
Remember, in the US there is no provision for sexual preference protection in civil rights law (as opposed to race, religion, national origin). As such, I doubt WN can do much but write her up.


Actually Southwest could probably do a lot especially if it vioaltes their own policy. They can fire her for violating their customer service policy, regardless of what laws exist or don't exist.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14010 times:



Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 23):
I think we should all wait and see here.

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Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 23):
How about he is a "straightaphobe" and turns everything people say into something against gays?

Not quite. Misconstruing something does not make someone a ___phobe.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 23):
gay people are always the victim, they can do no wrong right?

In your world, possibly.



You can't cure stupid
25 Post contains images EMB170 : I'm sorry, but discounting a story of homophobia because it was written on a gay news site is in and of itself offensive. Gay news media don't blindl
26 Ikramerica : "The SGN was unable to contact Southwest Airlines before press time." ???? Really? What press time? Was this story so vital and the journalist/victim
27 AeroWesty : Hold on, everyone! The jump-to-conclusions hats are out! How do you know if they tried to contact Southwest or not and they just didn't respond befor
28 GT4EZY : Str8 or gay, pax can be sh*ts when they want to be. Whichever airline you fly, there will always be exceptional, good and bad crew. Just take whatever
29 Davidlc3 : A couple of comments: 1. WN was the last of the major airlines to extend domestic partner benefits 2. Since opening their eyes WN has become one of th
30 Post contains images Ikramerica : And it is intellectually and ethically lazy. It has been the standard mantra over the last 5 years or so, ever since internet news became the primary
31 Post contains images Mir : I don't think there's any question that he didn't get very good service. That in no way implies that the FA was homophobic. -Mir
32 TinPusher007 : I don't get WN, they want to promote themselves as the 'fun' and 'free spirited' airline with their casual F/A uniforms and jokes even during safety a
33 Khobar : Wow, almost everyone jumps on WN as being guilty. Ya don't think this story might be just slightly biased? I mean, a gay man giving an exclusive story
34 Articulatexpat : You know, most people who discount or minimize reports of homophobia have probably never been on the receiving end of it. Waiting to let the facts co
35 Davidlc3 : Here, here! Very well said.
36 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : I have to second this.
37 MDorBust : Sounds like another Jr. Perry Mason doesn't know anything about the law. Okay, all you guys who have sat on a 737, behind the wing. How easy is it to
38 Post contains images Mariner : Sorry, not following that logic. If a story of the women asked to leave - or cover up - on a Southwest flight is reported in the mainstream press, th
39 Mir : I never said it wasn't unacceptable. I just don't see conclusive evidence to suggest that the F/A was being homophobic. That word gets thrown around
40 Bennett123 : Assuming that story is a full and fair account, then clearly the conduct of the FA is unacceptable purely on a customer service basis. The problem is
41 FLY2LIM : My response is entirely about journalism and about what, exactly, constitutes "journalism" and what is not. I am straight, married, but actually work
42 Davidlc3 : Assuming the story is even 80% correct (leave out the gay epiteth in this instance) there still is not plausible reason to call the cops on this pax.
43 MDorBust : Unless the author of the article "forgot" to include that he may not have exactly been Ghandi while on the plane. He goes to great lenghts in the art
44 Sh0rtybr0wn : Sounds like somebody thinks getting detained and questioned by Police for 45 minutes after a flight and threatened with arrest is just part of everyd
45 MDorBust : You aren't very up to date on post 9/11 flying are you? Doesn't matter though that you don't realize the wonderful realities of the TSA Reich, that s
46 N1120A : Sexual Orientation Well, everything that happened on the ground would have WA law apply, and WA's long arm statute may well pull in the stuff that ha
47 Abrelosojos : = You know. Stories of discrimination are usually carried by progressive publications which flight for an equal world - that may be gay/straight, bla
48 EWRCabincrew : You must have been devastated. How did you get through it? Your carrying a Tinkerbell mug somehow equates to hatred and discrimination? Try seeing it
49 AT : Prefacing my post by saying that ***ASSUMING*** this is true, I would propose that until Southwest formally and publicly apologizes, and/or fires the
50 Sh0rtybr0wn : For the Love of God,,, not everything is related to 9/11. O.K ? This is America, and here we are supposed to be judged on the content of our characte
51 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Just clued in. I have my moments. My bad. How does getting SSSS for a secondary search equate to homophobia (or any other type of discrimination) or
52 MDorBust : No, it's a device to show that rediculous things are the standard in aviation these days and it's not bigotry or homophobia by default. SSSS The acco
53 KLMA330 : Question for y'all?? Why on Earth did the couple agree to separate seats to accommodate some family travelling together? I wouls have NEVER let my boy
54 Mauiman31 : Unfortunate and disturbing account. FA's, all crew, and airline personnel hold a great deal of power under our current travel climate. All FF have pro
55 RussianJet : Sounds awful, but don't forget that at this stage the story merely represents allegations rather than proven facts. I wouldn't be surprised if there w
56 Abrelosojos : = Please explain the link between SSSS and your comments. I am confused. Cheers, A.
57 Bennett123 : It would be interesting to hear what the other passengers have to say.
58 MDorBust : Well, when someone makes a "what if you..." statement to a person who has several times met the "what if you..." statment, pointing that out is the n
59 Access-Air : All I have to say is that the Crusty Old Hag needs to be flying a broom instead of on a 737!!!!!!!! SImpley disgusting behaviour on her part.... I gue
60 Abrelosojos : = Thanks, I get the context of what you are saying. But in my mind this is an apples and oranges comparison ... not saying you are demeaning those ga
61 MDorBust : Okay seriously, declared rifles. As in the TSA had already inspected them. Of course there's residue, there's rifles.. that have already been checked
62 MCOflyer : Oh my gosh, this is terrible. Half of my customers are gay and they get treated with the kind and courteous service. Why can't a fortune 500 company s
63 BooDog : You are 100% correct. At the time of this post, no news agency (AP, Reuters, etc.) has published this story, and no mainstream news outlet is reporti
64 Tsaord : I thought people in aviation were used to homosexuals male and female. For years aviation is the homo mecca as far as jobs go for the more conservativ
65 Vulindlela744 : This is absolutely disgusting treatment by the F/A. Can barely believe their are people out there in this day and age. I am a flight attendant for a m
66 Davidlc3 : Very very standard practice. Pick up a gay newspaper (Dallas Voice, Washington Blade, etc.) and you'll be shocked by how many MAJOR, high profile new
67 Access-Air : How is one supposed to act if they are ill on an airplane????...I doubt that this gentleman was being sulky or that he went off on the FA...It sounds
68 Cytz_pilot : ha ha ha that's a great line! I will side with those who say there is not enough objective information from the others involved in this story to be t
69 Kstatepilot : I am going to bite... Why are we even discussing this???? There is no evidence that any of this happened to the person. I can say anything about my la
70 JpetekYXMD80 : You deliver pizzas. What makes you think 50% of the people you deliver to are gay?
71 MCO2BRS : Hey Guys, Something nobody here has pointed out, yet... where was the captain in all of this? To quote the article: "A police officer in uniform stopp
72 MBMBOS : I'm just curious, would you use the phrase "self righteous bitch overdrive" if you were describing the behavior of someone who is straight?
73 474218 : Usually you can tell if someone is telling the truth by looking at the details. In the article Brown say twice the FA offered everyone in his row some
74 MDorBust : Yes. I think I referred to my mother in law with those same words last weekend.
75 MDorBust : In a portion of the article he directly asked the FA for a drink at one point. I believe what he said at that point is the crux of events to follow.
76 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Something you and I have in common.
77 EASTERN747 : I have a comment or two. (1) she is a flight attendant or works with and deals with more gay people than most other people (2) I know it's a standing
78 MBMBOS : But would you use the phrase "self righteous bitch overdrive" to describe the behavior of a straight male? Please be honest.
79 MDorBust : See, now you're just trying to go the route of implying that I'm a homophobe. Sorry, not going to work. Would I say that a straight male was going in
80 Access-Air : Yes you say this....but when it was all about the Southwest FA trying to throw the "scantily clad slut" off the plane EVERYONE jumped to the "slut's"
81 SKAirbus : Here here... I too agree that this treatment was disgusting... Unfortunately there is a much higher rate of homophobia in the US than in Europe becau
82 MBMBOS : I suspect that you think that the behavior of a gay man who has a confrontation on an airplane - and this is all you know about the incident - can be
83 EASTERN747 : There was a good point about how she reacts to gay colleagues. If she did this one time, if she did it at all, then more on, it's not worth it. Howeve
84 MDorBust : Well, there is something more we know about the incident. His level of behavior elicited a police response. Not usual for people who truly are "like
85 Wingletsman : WN has had a lot of problems of woman and how they dress and now this...
86 Mkirch72 : Well when you have a president who wants to write us out of the constitution, and when you have an increase against gays in general since Bush took o
87 GeorgeJetson : I agree 100%. How do we know that any of this is true? There are tons of websites on the Internet where one can say almost anything they want (they c
88 Gigneil : Hah, we're more than a little touchy, and honestly it gets old. I have lived in some of the most conservative parts of this country, and encountered r
89 Lincoln : The problem is that unless a very narrow slant is given to interperting the Airline Deregulation Act, to the extent that any state law extends to the
90 Skyweasy82 : If no one has ever noticed there many gay flight attenadants out there, including Southwest! This F/A has deffinantly worked with one. This guy is try
91 N68TLCaptain : Dude give them a break, just because one FA did something stupid doesn't mean they all will. Me and my dad both fly for WN and it's a great company.
92 Luvfa : Well we don't know the whole truth yet, only versions of it. Our customer relations will follow up on this guys complaint and compare it to the FA's r
93 PSA53 : Very true.Even seen on episodes of "Airline".WN has a very good compliance record,IMO as a straight,I feel this should be treated as a isolated case.
94 StasisLAX : So very true. This incident will simply turn into a war of words, with the FA denying any hateful comments and the passengers stating that they heard
95 SCCutler : This far, no corroboration of any kind to reflect that these events even occurred as described. Given the prevalence, and acceptance, of gay men among
96 Avek00 : Not really -- this is purely an interstate commerce matter, the federal government has already asserted itself with respect to equal accomodation by
97 Post contains images Khobar : "Big Boobs" is bursting at the seams with fluff specifically aimed at a particular interest for the sole purpose of selling more "Big Boobs." And you
98 Sh0rtybr0wn : Do you read history ? You're spelling Gandhi's name wrong... and Gandhi WAS wrongly arrested by Police. So yeah, his allusion to having the patience
99 Kstatepilot : Now you are forcing us "homophobic" people to your views????!?!?!?!?!???!!! This isn't right. You homosexuals have almost every right us straight peo
100 Gigneil : I hear ya man, I would prefer to still keep a few slaves in my basement and pimp slap my hoes when they talk back. Also, the line at the voting booth
101 Post contains images Kstatepilot : So it's okay when gays and lesbo's say these kindof things but not when a straight white man does? Me thinks that is Discrimination
102 Gigneil : Its not ok for anyone to do anything discriminatory in any way. That being said, when you find some cases of a band of drunken rampaging homos leaving
103 Post contains images Lincoln : He is not "forcing" you to be gay. He's not "forcing" you to like homosexuals. He's not even suggesting that you be "forced" to be nice to people you
104 OzarkD9S : Because straight white guys have it so tough in this country. Key word "almost". Which rights of yours may we take away so that we're "even"? We will
105 Mariner : Um - yes. You suggested that because the story appeared in a gay magazine, it is immediately suspect. Now, of course it is possible that it is not ac
106 Mir : They would. But we haven't heard from them, have we? All we have is one guy's version of what he saw and heard, and what he presumed based on that. W
107 Art : If the report is grounded in fact rather than misunderstanding, I find the FA's behaviour quite unacceptable. Why? Just curious. I'm heterosexual. I d
108 Post contains links Irobertson : This seems quite unlike the FA in this video, which is hilarious (and a touch gay sounding, in the best way possible)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?
109 Lincoln : It's off topic, but I'm sure if something were to "go wrong" on that flight the passengers would be more likely to remember the instructions rather t
110 Mir : I've had very few flights during which the safety briefing was done before the plane started moving. -Mir
111 Gigneil : I cannot remember a single one in my entire 30 years. NS
112 Lincoln : You are correct; I was mistaken 14 CFR 121.571 requires that passengrs be briefed before each takeoff, not before aircraft movement. Lincoln
113 Ozark1 : Southwest Airlines---The most overrated airline in America
114 LTBEWR : Regrettably, flight attendants of any airline may have personal, political and religious views of prejudice toward gay and lesbian persons. Despite th
115 BOAT : I guarantee you there is more to this incident (assuming it occured) than is stated in the article. For a Crew Member to report in flight behavior to
116 DocLightning : I do hope that WN will react strongly to this, and not just from a moralistic point of view. Of course discrimination in any form against anyone is ba
117 AeroWesty : No one was arrested. The passenger was detained while a background check and questioning took place.
118 N68TLCaptain : Dude relax I don't say that about whatever airline you fly for (if you do)
119 WarRI1 : Has anyone ever heard of hearsay evidence, I am not an attorney nor do I claim to know the law. He said, she said, where are the witnesses?, who came
120 IAirAllie : I think homophobia is pretty rare in our occupation. A homophobic person wouldn't last 5 minutes as an FA. We are on the whole a pretty diverse and ac
121 Qslinger : This is a one sided story. SW or the flight attendants comments are not logged here. They are stated in 3rd person and we don't know for sure if the
122 SSTsomeday : It seems to me that this flight attendant must already have some bad marks on her employee record if she was as abusive and out of control as was rep
123 Post contains images AirframeAS : I am surprised to see the lack of reponses (except two...) from our WN A.netters on this. They are pretty quiet tonight....   [Edited 2007-12-17 22:
124 United319 : From a first hand perspective, it is not a preference. I'd word that one differently in the future.
125 Georgebush : Has Southwest even made a statement on this yet?? If they haven't, that should be a red flag to people as well. If something like this is on the net,
126 Bennett123 : Iairallie Part of that quote is not mine, I can spell abysmal.
127 DALATBHM : This is rediculous. It could have happened the other way. No proof, no witnesses came forth. Its a waste of a freakin story.
128 ONTFlyer : I can only try to be as objective as I can possibly be. I am human and I have my flaws but some of you are so offended by this story and you don't kno
129 LACA773 : I feel this FA is just one of the bad seeds in a good airline. They all have them, some more so than other's. This FA was inappropriate in her behavi
130 Thrust : That FA is a bitch with a capital b. She oughta be in the Ku Klux Klan for that crap, better yet, she oughta be fired from Southwest and possibly even
131 Post contains images SKAirbus : Well coming out is a very difficult process for anyone... There is always a risk of discrimination, your family disowning you and also the pain of te
132 Post contains images SKAirbus : Be sensible America.. vote in the democrats next time round
133 Art : Thanks for your comment. I can understand that coming out demands courage. I can understand that one may be proud of being courageous. I can't unders
134 SKAirbus : Well i guess in many cases the fight to come out and be accepted makes them proud of their sexuality... That is the bottom line. Many black people in
135 Tonystan : One reason and one reason alone for not believing this story.... NO ONE who enters the airline industry can risk being homophobic because lets face, i
136 Post contains images B707forever : I see this story is getting quite a lot of responses, so here's my 2 cents. I would assume whatever action falls under federal law because, if I'm not
137 AT : Has there been an official response from Southwest?
138 FreequentFlier : And this would accomplish what exactly? All the leading Dem candidates oppose gay marriage as well. And you'll certainly get plenty more of "those fo
139 SWABrian : SOUTHWEST RESPONSE Good Morning everyone, I just wanted to let you know that we are of this unfortunate circumstance. We have contacted the Customer a
140 DALATBHM : Your stupid. Being gay is a choice. We didn't force "Him" to be gay. He did it on himself. So he gets no pitty from me. He should get over it if he h
141 Khobar : The fact that the story appeared in a gay publication, in itself, doesn't make the story suspect any more than if it had appeared in the Washington P
142 Justplanenutz : Who knows what the truth here is. I was travelling on AA in F with my brother last week, and the FA repeatedly served my brother but ignored me. Did s
143 DALATBHM : Agreed. Sounds to me like this guy wants his 15 minutes of flame. Haha. Im gonna get it for that one.
144 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Save this for another thread. Flame away
145 Post contains images Jamincan : Perhaps you could point out the time that you made the decision to be straight? I recall, back when I was, hmm... 13 or so, sitting down and weighing
146 DALATBHM : I'm not the one that started the thread. I sure as hell dont flame.
147 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Never said you did. The topic of "gay is a choice" is for another thread. So you mince? Never implied that. It was meant to others to flame (made hea
148 Post contains images JIWNCO : I reeeeeally hate to say it but (based on my personal experience, see username ) I believe this story 99.9%.[Edited 2007-12-18 08:03:55]
149 Post contains images PA110 : OK Mods, I think we're done here. This thread was just bound to end in tears and recrimination.
150 Davescj : With respect, I would say from a legal perspective it is the correct word. At least in the proposed legislation, it is the word most frequently seen.
151 SeeTheWorld : I am amazed at some of the comments on this thread. Not that I am an expert, but I am gay and even worked at the Human Rights Campaign in the 1990s. T
152 DALATBHM : ......
153 Post contains links EWRCabincrew : Another chat forum is discussing this topic: http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/r...ge.cfm?thread=951937&boardname=off Comments semi-mirror ours.
154 AeroWesty : LOL, I'm sure that this morning the Google Alerts all lit up in everyone's e-mail at Southwest's HQ with links to that story from all over the web.
155 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : In at least green and red for Xmas.
156 AirframeAS : ALRIGHT!!!!!!! Some comments above were absolutely unnecessary.... So having said that, this thread is getting out of hand, so let's make an attempt t
157 Post contains images JIWNCO : LOL
158 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Morning AFAS I think he was saying that on behalf of WN, as his name is SWABrian, till we get to the truth.
159 AeroWesty : Until he's established himself as an official spokesperson for Southwest, I'd take his statement with a grain of salt. The story hasn't made it over
160 Post contains images AirframeAS : Good Morning to you. Thanks for the spilt hot chocolate when the mods threw this thread over here. LOL! I wanted an official WN press release before
161 AeroWesty : It would be easy enough for Southwest (or any airline, for that matter), to link to an URL on their website vouching for their representative. I sear
162 Post contains images AirframeAS : Thank you, AeroWesty. As always...it is appreciated!
163 Halcyon : I'd take the whole thing with a grain of salt. It's not a true news story, and I don't see any evidence to back it up. WN also has some great flight a
164 Post contains images NWA742 : Bullshit. It's simply questioning the validity of the story due to such a biased source. There's nothing at all wrong with that. You honestly think t
165 Post contains images Johnboy : oh the irony...... I'm sure the gay grapevine at WN must be all atwitter today. I know i've got my contacts burning up teh Internetz checking things
166 Jmc1975 : When the flight landed, he gathered his belongings, left the plane without saying a word and headed straight to the Southwest Airlines counter and dem
167 AeroWesty : None of us were there, so we don't know when the flight attendant contacted authorities to make a complaint. There didn't seem to be anything happeni
168 Jmc1975 : So true. There are alot of holes in the story and alot left up to speculation. I won't be surprised to one day see this story on snopes.com.
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