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Blackwater Guard Shoots NYT Office Dog.  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7185 posts, RR: 86
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1949 times:
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In a nutshell: The NYT office dog attacks the Blackwater K-9 unit and had to be put down.

Do you think this is the liberal media raining on Blackwater or otherwise? Sad the canine had to be put down.

All comments welcome.

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. American soldiers are dying daily in Iraq and NYT is worried about someone shooting a stray dog? These media types are real aholes

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Sounds like the only reason they're publishing this story is to play on emotions to get more to people to dislike Blackwater. That, when in reality of course they and every other American civilian trotting around in Iraq is goddamn lucky to have Blackwater there.




-NWA742


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1913 times:
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Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. American soldiers are dying daily in Iraq and NYT is worried about someone shooting a stray dog? These media types are real aholes

The deaths of American soldiers are reported every day.

But - the dog was shot.

Should it not be reported, should it be kept secret?

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1913 times:



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 2):
Sounds like the only reason they're publishing this story is to play on emotions to get more to people to dislike Blackwater. That, when in reality of course they and every other American civilian trotting around in Iraq is goddamn lucky to have Blackwater there.
-

Or they're pissed that someone shot their dog.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

TFB, cry me a river, SFW, yatta yatta yatta.

Why is this even news?


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1896 times:



Quoting LHMARK (Reply 4):
Or they're pissed that someone shot their dog.

If it was true that their dog was attacking a Blackwater security dog, I don't give a flying fuck if they are pissed, they have no valid reason to be. I love dogs as much as anybody, but that doesn't change the fact that I would readily shoot any dog that decides to attack my own.




-NWA742


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1870 times:



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 6):
If it was true that their dog was attacking a Blackwater security dog, I don't give a flying fuck if they are pissed, they have no valid reason to be. I love dogs as much as anybody, but that doesn't change the fact that I would readily shoot any dog that decides to attack my own.


I agree, but that might not stop an angry editor with the power of the pen who just lost 'Boomer.'



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7185 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
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Quoting NWA742 (Reply 2):
to get more to people to dislike Blackwater.

I would tend to agree with this statement.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
The deaths of American soldiers are reported every day.

I haven't read a lot about troop fatalities recently - which is good!

Blackwater does a hell of a important job over there. I'm sure they do overstep boundaries from time to time, but I'm glad they're over there.

Related - did anyone see that Auburn football player get chomped on by a K-9 unit in the end zone?

 rotfl 


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
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Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9):
I agree, but that might not stop an angry editor with the power of the pen who just lost 'Boomer.'

If someone had just shot my dog, for almost any reason, then I'd be sort of pissed as well. I'd hope that my professionalism wouldn't lead me to take unfair advantage of my bully pulpit for revenge.



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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Another in the line of missteps for this no-bid contracted mercenary organization. Dogs, civilians... who's next? Well, who cares - they have immunity.

The Blackwater employee should have made sure the area was free of distractions BEFORE letting his animal enter the premises. If he saw another dog, cat, snake or octopus roaming around, he should have told someone to put a leash on it, lock it in a room, whatever, before sweeping the area. Have they no protocol?


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1794 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 16):
this no-bid contracted mercenary organization

Because the other company who could fill this role is? Don't waster your time trying, all the other major companies also got no bid contracts.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 16):
The Blackwater employee should have made sure the area was free of distractions BEFORE letting his animal enter the premises. If he saw another dog, cat, snake or octopus roaming around, he should have told someone to put a leash on it, lock it in a room, whatever, before sweeping the area. Have they no protocol?

 rotfl 

Sure sure, just shut down the whole US embassy so the dog can work... yup, great idea there.



PS. Triple Canopy says not to send a resume.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1792 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 10):
The Blackwater employee should have made sure the area was free of distractions BEFORE letting his animal enter the premises. If he saw another dog, cat, snake or octopus roaming around, he should have told someone to put a leash on it, lock it in a room, whatever, before sweeping the area. Have they no protocol?

 rotfl 

Yes, you tell him how it's done!




-NWA742


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1792 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 16):
Another in the line of missteps for this no-bid contracted mercenary organization.

It was not a "misstep". It was an appropriate action considering the circumstances.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 16):
The Blackwater employee should have made sure the area was free of distractions BEFORE letting his animal enter the premises. If he saw another dog, cat, snake or octopus roaming around, he should have told someone to put a leash on it, lock it in a room, whatever, before sweeping the area. Have they no protocol?

20/20 hindsight? It's really easy to say "could have/should have" when you're not the one in the situation with it happening in real-time. It probably took you 20 times the amount of time to type your post as the actual amount of time of the incident.


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1775 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
NYT is worried about someone shooting a stray dog?

According to the article it wasn't a stray dog. The dog lived there it's whole life.



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1764 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):
Because the other company who could fill this role is? Don't waster your time trying, all the other major companies also got no bid contracts.

...which is equally bad.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):
Sure sure, just shut down the whole US embassy so the dog can work... yup, great idea there.

Putting one dog on a leash does not qualify as 'shutting down an embassy'. And especially not in this case, since, well, it didn't happen at the embassy.  sarcastic 

The U.S. embassy in Iraq is investigating

Blackwater bodyguards shot Hentish dead last week before a visit by a U.S. diplomat to the Times compound.

Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said the dog had attacked one of Blackwater's bomb-sniffer dogs while a security team was sweeping the compound for explosives.


Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
It was not a "misstep". It was an appropriate action considering the circumstances.

Shooting animals because you haven't prepared is, at a minimum, a misstep.

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
20/20 hindsight?

No, it's called being prepared.

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
It probably took you 20 times the amount of time to type your post as the actual amount of time of the incident.

Typical excuse for most unnecessary shootings.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1761 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
No, it's called being prepared.



Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
Typical excuse for most unnecessary shootings.

Ever been involved in an automobile accident? Why didn't you prepare for it and avoid it? And when you saw it coming why didn't you just steer the other way or stop?


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1745 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
Putting one dog on a leash

Why wasn't the NYT dog on a leash? Why aren't you lashing out at them for that? Oh wait, that won't fit into your anti-Blackwater agenda. I see.

So here's the situation, according to the article:

The Blackwater dog, acting as a trained bomb-sniffing security officer is doing a job, and was attacked by an unleashed pet from a visiting civilian, yet somehow you're blaming this on Blackwater being unprepared:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
Shooting animals because you haven't prepared is, at a minimum, a misstep.

Well, by God how dare they not be prepared for those famous attacking NYT dogs. Morons!  Yeah sure

Have you ever made a single mistake in your life, Wellhung? If so, why didn't you prepare and avoid it? Let's hear it, please. I mean, that's the standard you're holding Blackwater to and all.....

Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
Typical excuse for most unnecessary shootings.

Why was the shooting unnecessary? If they had let the dogs continue to fight, both could have injured each other so badly that they would have had to be put down anyway.




->NWA742


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Wow seems like a slow news day if this 'incident' has to be reported by the NY times.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Should it not be reported, should it be kept secret?

It was only reported because the mutt was owned by NY times and to make Blackwater look bad. Do you think they would have cared if an Iraqi shot some stray outside his house?



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 14):
According to the article it wasn't a stray dog. The dog lived there it's whole life.



Bullshit, I can read between the lines, the dog was a stray that the reporters feed. What, do you think they went to the local pet shop and bought it? I have lived in a poor foreign area and have seen first hand how rich Americans who don't know any better adopt stray dogs.

[Edited 2007-12-18 16:50:28]

User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1694 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 16):
Ever been involved in an automobile accident? Why didn't you prepare for it and avoid it? And when you saw it coming why didn't you just steer the other way or stop?

Did you put this in the wrong thread or are you suggesting the shooting was an accident?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):

Nah... a government contractor with no meaningful oversight or threat to their contract; no way they could do anything wrong.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
Why wasn't the NYT dog on a leash?

 rotfl  Um... maybe because it lived there. If the Blackwater folks did their due diligence, they would know there was a dog and would have asked someone to secure it. They didn't do their job and got trigger happy again.


User currently onlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1669 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
In a nutshell: The NYT...

Stopped reading it after that point. Its the New York Times, no surprise there.



Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1632 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
Putting one dog on a leash does not qualify as 'shutting down an embassy'.

No, but making the area "free of distractions" does.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 15):
And especially not in this case, since, well, it didn't happen at the embassy.

Gee, sorry. Shut down the NYT compound.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
If the Blackwater folks did their due diligence, they would know there was a dog and would have asked someone to secure it.

Kinda convenient how you seem to ignore that the NYT people were probably quite familiar with security protocols and didn't secure their dog. Or are you going to pretend that bomb sweeps are not the order of the day in Iraq?

Good rule of thumb to live with. If there are working dogs, and their handlers have guns, Kaput with all non-essentials. One would think the NYT guys in Iraq would know this one.. it's almost like they are in a war zone or something.

You'd probably blow a gasket if you knew how many dogs were shot by police every year. TFB, cry me a river, SFW, yatta yatta yatta.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1622 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Gee, sorry. Shut down the NYT compound.

Yeah, I'd hate for someone to be familiar with the facts before commenting. Of course, coming from someone who equates one dog on a leash with shutting down an entire operation, it looks like the facts can be ignored when they're inconvenient.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Kinda convenient how you seem to ignore that the NYT people were probably quite familiar with security protocols and didn't secure their dog. Or are you going to pretend that bomb sweeps are not the order of the day in Iraq?

As stated in the article, the compound was only being checked because a diplomat was visiting the NY Times. But let's not let the facts get in the way.

However, since Blackwater is so familiar with bomb sweeps in general, there are even fewer excuses for this debacle.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Good rule of thumb to live with. If there are working dogs, and their handlers have guns, Kaput with all non-essentials. One would think the NYT guys in Iraq would know this one.. it's almost like they are in a war zone or something.

If you're bringing your animals into an unknown area and said animals are so precious that you would kill to protect them, check the area for threats before entering. Of course, that's only common sense.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1611 times:



Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
Did you put this in the wrong thread or are you suggesting the shooting was an accident?

Nice job of dodging my response to your own words!


25 WellHung : Poor job of dodging... Guess you were just trying to go off topic.
26 Queso : Well then, let's go back a few posts where you responded to my post and said.... And since you are apparently an "Ex-Spert" on being prepared, I am a
27 Post contains images WellHung : Well, I know for a fact that if I saw a car swerving across all lanes of traffic a half-mile ahead of me, I would stop before I came up to it. I also
28 Post contains images NWA742 :                      SO?! I take it you don't own a dog, Wellhung. When you have guests, strangers, contractors, or simply anyone that
29 Nuori5084 : Exactly. It's convenient for them to come up with this article to further stir up the pot on whether Blackwater is doing the right thing and to furth
30 MDorBust : Do you really think that the visitation of high level or otherwise important people to a major international media outlet is a rare thing? For some r
31 Doona : *Trying to hold it in...No, can't sit by in silence any longer* Obviously the Iraqi civilians aren't quite as lucky, but hey, if you liberate someone
32 SBBRTech : So any damn thing can be considered news as long as it happens in the sandbox...err, Iraq? Why does the US embassy use Blackwater for security? Isn't
33 WellHung : I don't own a gun either, but I do know that when you are a guest, stranger, contractor or anyone entering someone else's home, it's common courtesy
34 Post contains images WellHung : Um, the New York Times is a print publication. Therefore, it does not require the "daily" visits you suggest above in order to produce these face to
35 MDorBust : No, really? Dear resident genious, not all face to face interviews are televised. Knowing it exists and being familiar with the dog are two different
36 Post contains images WellHung :    You are straying farther and farther from the topic. You claim that diplomatic visits to a print publication for face to face interviews are com
37 MDorBust : Not quite there buddy. I said that visits by high level personel to media outlets are a common occurance, and used the prevalence of face to face int
38 WellHung : And what evidence do you have that the interviews took place at the media compounds and not the embassy or whatever? How do you plan to link televisi
39 MDorBust : What evidence do I have that the media interviews people? Well, as entertaining a concept as that would be to finally prove that the media just makes
40 Post contains images NWA742 : Oh really? Do you also know that when you are a guest, stranger, contractor, or anyone authorized to enter someone else's home, it's common courtesy
41 Post contains images WellHung : Or, to even better suit their schedules and render such security sweeps unnecessary, they just talk to them on the phone... like every other newspape
42 MDorBust : Which would kind of make having a compound in Baghdad useless wouldn't it? The existence of the compound seems to make your assumption that all work
43 FXramper : Countless State Dept officials are guarded by Blackwater. Sad to see the dog was shot and killed - but it was attacking a trained K-9 as the Reuters
44 Post contains images WellHung : The dog in this case didn't exit the property to attack, which is a large distinction. "All work"? How many straw dogs are there in your backyard? Li
45 MDorBust : If the argument is a straw man argument as you now claim, and you now no longer want to claim that not "all work" is over the phone then you must con
46 WellHung : What if, say, they were interviewing soldiers in the field, or Iraqis in their homes - both obviously important to reporting in Iraq? Why would they
47 NWA742 : It's not meant to be a perfect analogy - I just want to know where you stand in terms of personal responsibility. Who would you blame? -NWA742
48 MDorBust : Even better. If they are, as you say, "interviewing soldiers in the field" they would be intimately familiar with security protocols, and lots and lo
49 WellHung : It's not even close. If you don't intend to stay on topic, start a thread about personal responsibility. Do Blackwater employees provide security to
50 Post contains images FXramper : ...or the topic of this thread. Your position on this article is well documented sir.
51 WellHung : Just curious why you're singling me out...
52 MDorBust : I guess a soldier could have shot the NYT dog. Unless the US military got rid of their K-9s since last time I was there, there seems to be a pretty c
53 NWA742 : Doesn't need to be.......wasn't meant to be........the point is clear. Personal responsibility has everything to do with this topic - we're arguing o
54 WellHung : Is it some mystery to who I think is personally responsible for this?
55 MDorBust : Seriously, Karl Rove wasn't even there.
56 Post contains images WellHung :
57 Post contains images NWA742 : Certainly isn't a mystery as to who you think is responsible, but regarding valid and logical reasons as to why you think what you do.............not
58 WellHung : So now, despite all my clear and concise contributions in the thread, you cannot figure out why I think the Blackwater employee(s) are responsible...
59 NWA742 : Look I can read your text just fine, but I see the I requested completely skipped your mind. And last but not least, the questions you've repeatedly
60 Post contains images WellHung : Well, if by 'valid' you mean statements you explicitly agree with, your definition of 'valid' is incorrect. And if you can't see the logic, then you'
61 Post contains images Lobster : Oh for christ sake. Are you serious? Really? For real like? The guys doing his fricking job when another dog attacks him, he's tries to ward it off,
62 NWA742 : Mmm not what I meant. Extremely difficult to see things that don't exist. Sorry, but getting overly simplistic like this doesn't help you. No, I'm sa
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